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Makes And Models => Energica => Topic started by: JaimeC on May 28, 2022, 06:25:42 PM
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Can't wait to read more about this thing. Looks very "Ducati-ish"
https://www.roadracingworld.com/news/energica-introduces-new-experia-electric-sport-tourer/
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Looks rather bland to me, but the fairing is a welcome bit of aerodynamic design.
Two things come to mind:
1) I hope the lower power means a matching lower price range
2) I'd like to see more aerodynamic panniers rather than the usual slab-sided spam tins. Maybe take a leaf out of BMW's old rounded sports panniers which were expandable if needed:
(https://mediapool.bmwgroup.com/cache/P9/201410/P90167289/P90167289-bmw-f-800-r-sport-panniers-11-2014-600px.jpg)
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Revised battery chemistry...sounds like Energica is getting away from NCM and switching to to LFP? Total capacity is now 22.5KWh..
Glad to hear Energica is continuing development efforts towards the touring side.
Luggage choice is an end user preference and easy to alter after initial vehicle purchase - being removable, the aero-compromised choice (as shown) actually is more practical when traveling and results in greater volume.
Nicely done, Energica.
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Crap, just have my Ribelle. And now they come with a dual sports bike.I almost regretted buying the Ribelle, but to me the specs look Zero DSR-ish but at a much higher weigt I guess. The only thing I'd have liked is more net Kwh's but like always, as soon as you buy it's obsoleted by the next new thing ;)
Does look like different software though, 7 ride modes, Cornering Bosch, high(er) res dash, Sachs suspension. I like the setup, when they are available I'll go ride one.
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New frame, new rear suspension, looks like longer suspension travel...can't tell but radiator now looks correct for size (@ 75kw peak retune)...
https://www.energicamotor.com/en/models/energica-experia/ (https://www.energicamotor.com/en/models/energica-experia/)
Center stand also noted. Just saw video, heck they even updated the display....now, wondering about beta testing and lack of spy shots...
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Love the center stand, range increase, tank storage, proper rear shock, and side charging port! Not so thrilled about the power and torque reduction, of course.
I'm a little surprised they went with Givi Trekker 33 side cases. I have those on my SS9 and I'm finding the aero drag penalty is unacceptably high from their brick-like shape, around +30 Wh/mi. I'm considering swapping them for WL900 semi-rigid Monokey bags, which I'm told are close to aerodynamically neutral. I would have expected them to go with something like the V35's or V37's for this model.
As expected, no serious changes to the battery cooling capacity or charge rate, but others have noted that the radiator looks bigger so perhaps there's a slight increase in stability of charging speeds from better overall powertrain cooling and better riding efficiency. Still, I'd love to see proper cooling of the battery on this and other models.
I might eventually be interested in this model, but I think my next upgrade is still a 21.5 kWh SS9 when I spot one for a good price on the used market, and I'll just move my custom luggage racks over. I expect to see a few SS9's and Ribelle's listed pretty soon as the orders roll in for the Experia.
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https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/bikes/energica/experia-2022-review
Good link here with lots of pictures!
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Crap, just have my Ribelle. And now they come with a dual sports bike.I almost regretted buying the Ribelle,
We all have been there with electric motorcycles. EVs of any type are much like computers have been over the years. The very best deals will be after we are dead. So how long should we wait?
Anyway, this new Energica Sport Tourer is likely to be my next motorcycle. Ten motorcycles just ain't enough for me ;) . But I still wonder what they will have next year . . .
-Don- Reno, NV
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Yes, but the Ribelle has only been out for 2 years. At least with Zero you can buy a model and be sure there is no major innovation in the next 5-6 years :P
TBH I'm happy with my choice. The Zero DSR is also a dual sports bike, but charge points along trails are few and far between so 'real' trail riding (As far as thet goes in my neck of the woods) will long be a ICE territory. I did part of the TET on the DSR, and leaving the trail to find a place to charge and then waiting an hour to get it filled enough gets old very fast.
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Yes, but the Ribelle has only been out for 2 years. At least with Zero you can buy a model and be sure there is no major innovation in the next 5-6 years :P
Don't be so sure. I think the SR/S was a big change.
I expect to soon see a Zero that has CCS charging and much more, which means a big design change. Will be the end of the low voltage battery, at least in their larger bikes.
-Don- Reno, NV
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That will be a loooong long time coming I think, because it'll mean entirely redesigning the entire power train. I'm more hoping that 12kW+ AC charging will become standard, and the battery grows by 50%, for the next gen. I think that's wishful thinking of course because Zero is driven by the calamitous US situation of shitty 7kW charging everywhere unlike in Europe where we have 22kW everywhere.
A 50% bigger battery is really everything I need from a Zero, because it means I can properly tour on it.
Cas :)
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Don't be so sure. I think the SR/S was a big change.
Yeah, well, I bought my DSR in 2016 and the release year of the SR/S is 2021 so if my math is correct... :D
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That looks so much like a Ducati Multistrada! An interesting bike and a popular category to try to brak into, but I don't think the tourer market is where electric bikes would shine. I have a few friends who like to do a week touring around Europe in a group. I'm not saying it can't be done, but electric would not be my choice for this sort of riding - especially if you have others who want to do a quick 5 minute stop for fuel and get back on the road.
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I see this more for solo touring unless you're touring with similar eMotorcyclists. Here in the US, I see more and more DCFC stations popping up on freeway rest areas. I still don't think they're close enough to enable motorcycle touring on the freeways but it is making certain electric cars more viable for this kind of touring.
No, electric bikes are still better off NOT using the highways. The slower speeds give you improved range and you're more likely to find charging stations in populated areas. It's just a damn shame that Energicas can only utilize 3kW at L2 stations. Right now, L2 STILL outnumbers DCFC in this country.
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That looks so much like a Ducati Multistrada! An interesting bike and a popular category to try to brak into, but I don't think the tourer market is where electric bikes would shine. I have a few friends who like to do a week touring around Europe in a group. I'm not saying it can't be done, but electric would not be my choice for this sort of riding - especially if you have others who want to do a quick 5 minute stop for fuel and get back on the road.
True, although all of the group riding that I've done has been riding 30-50 mi, then getting lunch, a little more riding and then heading home. This bike can do all of that on one charge.
I agree that e-moto's don't pair well with gas bikes on longer rides, though. We're agonizingly close to parity (albeit at a higher purchase price), but I would say it will be another 3-5 years. The batteries are already there, we just need better cooling for 2-3C charging rates and for designers to focus more on aerodynamics. A mild 20% efficiency boost from aero would bring highway range up to 156 mi and it would be easier to cool the battery when it's not working as hard. The middle 60% of the pack that most people would refill on charging stops comes out to 12 kWh, which could be refilled in 15 mins with 50 kW charging if the pack can stay cool, and then a person could ride another 78 miles on the slab or farther in the twisties. That's less than half of the charging time of my 13.4 SS9 on long trips, and with enough 100-0% capacity to handle any regional ride or even a 60 mi supercommute both directions.
Some people would still point to gas providing more range and faster refills, of course, but unless you're on something as comfortable as a Goldwing, you're going to want to get off the bike for 15 mins every 80 mi anyway. I stopped for 10-15 mins to stretch my legs every hour and a half when I rode a Triumph Tiger down to Long Beach from SF, and the last half-hour were agony. I would have welcomed a good excuse to get off the bike every hour instead. With today's gas prices, I figured out that this trip would have cost $120 just in fuel, and the SS9 did it for $30, and without each mile getting me closer to expensive valve checks, which is the biggest cost of such a trip that people forget about.
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True, although all of the group riding that I've done has been riding 30-50 mi, then getting lunch, a little more riding and then heading home. This bike can do all of that on one charge.
I agree that e-moto's don't pair well with gas bikes on longer rides, though.
It's best to own both for now. I see you're in Davis, not far from me and I own the same bikes you do.
Let's go on electric bike ride one of these days. I have my 2020 Energica here in Auburn right now. I just rode it here yesterday from Reno. I live in Auburn as well as Reno. I am retired, so I have a lot of free time.
It sure looks like this new Energica Sport Tourer will be my next bike, from what I have seen so far. The reduced power and torque means nothing to me as all the electric bikes have more than I will ever need to use.
I wonder when we will be able to order it from Cal-Moto - - or better yet, when they will have it in stock.
I am glad Energica recently sold so many Ribelles to reduce the demand for this new bike!
I wonder if they also managed to squeeze in a 6KW AC charger!
I also wonder what the price tag will be! But regardless, I expect it to be my next bike! See my thread here. (https://www.electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=10481.0)
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Here is an article by Motorcycle.com regarding the Energica Experia Green Tourer: https://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/energica/energica-experia-green-tourer-revealed.html
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Here is an article by Motorcycle.com regarding the Energica Experia Green Tourer: https://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/energica/energica-experia-green-tourer-revealed.html (https://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/energica/energica-experia-green-tourer-revealed.html)
I just tried to "pre-order" cannot be done yet in the USA. Stuck at the "dealer" entry. It cannot find any dealers for the USA.
But I now see it cannot be ordered until June 1. I have to wait a full day to order!
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Are you aware that a&s bmw in Roseville is now a energica dealer?
Their website claims that they will have bikes to test ride in june
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Are you aware that a&s bmw in Roseville is now a energica dealer?
Their website claims that they will have bikes to test ride in june
No, I had no idea. But I do recall Lawrence saying they would like them to be an Energica dealer. In fact, that was the very first time I have even heard of A&S. Since then, I did a little business with them. I purchased my two tires for my TTSE there, which they mounted on my rims.
Perhaps I will trade in a gas bike this time as I don't have much room left after selling my 3rd house.
I thought perhaps Reno/Sparks (BMW) would have been a better choice as there is nothing Energica in all of NV.
But A&S is close enough to be helpful to me in Auburn.
Thanks for that useful information! I will go there later and see if I can place my order this week. There are some specs I would like to see, but I have already seen enough to know I want it!
-Don- Auburn, CA
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]It's best to own both for now. I see you're in Davis, not far from me and I own the same bikes you do.
Let's go on electric bike ride one of these days. I have my 2020 Energica here in Auburn right now. I just rode it here yesterday from Reno. I live in Auburn as well as Reno. I am retired, so I have a lot of free time.
Absolutely! There are a few people with e-moto's in this area that I've been meaning to ride with, actually, and they're all named some variation of James, funnily enough. One has an SS9+, one's got a DS, and one has a DSR. I've also met some cool people with gas bikes who asked me all kinds of questions about the SS9 and would probably enjoy riding along.
It sure looks like this new Energica Sport Tourer will be my next bike, from what I have seen so far. The reduced power and torque means nothing to me as all the electric bikes have more than I will ever need to use.
I wonder when we will be able to order it from Cal-Moto - - or better yet, when they will have it in stock.
I am glad Energica recently sold so many Ribelles to reduce the demand for this new bike!
I wonder if they also managed to squeeze in a 6KW AC charger!
They didn't. It doesn't bother me personally since I don't do long days in B-road country, but I've now realized after talking to enough people about it that it's a big deal to many potential buyers.
I also wonder what the price tag will be! But regardless, I expect it to be my next bike! See my thread here. (https://www.electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=10481.0)
-Don- Auburn, CA
I heard 26k Euros + VAT (~30k) for the launch edition that has the luggage and included accessories in Europe. Since Euro prices on Energicas have always been higher than US prices, I'd guess $25-27k for that version and then the same ~23k as the Ribelle for the base model in the Fall.
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Absolutely! There are a few people with e-moto's in this area that I've been meaning to ride with, actually, and they're all named some variation of James, funnily enough. One has an SS9+, one's got a DS, and one has a DSR. I've also met some cool people with gas bikes who asked me all kinds of questions about the SS9 and would probably enjoy riding along.
I am good on just about any day that I am here in Auburn, so pick a day and place. Perhaps better riding areas up this way, but I am willing to go anywhere. And a lot of CCS up this way just as in your area.
They didn't. It doesn't bother me personally since I don't do long days in B-road country, but I've now realized after talking to enough people about it that it's a big deal to many potential buyers.
It won't be a deal breaker to me, but the Reno area south all the way to Minden has countless free J-1772s but not enough CCS. Only one CCS in all of Carson City. And a line of cars waiting to charge the last time I was there.
I heard 26k Euros + VAT (~30k) for the launch edition that has the luggage and included accessories in Europe. Since Euro prices on Energicas have always been higher than US prices, I'd guess $25-27k for that version and then the same ~23k as the Ribelle for the base model in the Fall.
At A & S, cycles they want $26,682 for the 2023 Ribelle (https://www.aspowersports.com/--inventory?make=energica&pg=1), so I expect the 2023 Experia to cost more than that.
That gives me an idea, we could meet there if you want, at A&S. Tomorrow sometime? I was planning on going there tomorrow anyway. I have not been in there for a couple of years.
Or pick a day and time and place, but not too early as I don't do mornings well. I will take my Energica there, I doubt if there will be other 2020 blue Esse Esse 9's there, so we will know who each other is.
You may email me at:
DonTom3@aol.com
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Absolutely! There are a few people with e-moto's in this area that I've been meaning to ride with, actually, and they're all named some variation of James, funnily enough.
If possible, be at A&S cycles at 1100 hrs tomorrow, Tuesday, May 31.
A&S motorcycles
1125 Orlando Ave
Roseville, CA 95661
Everybody welcome, of course.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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I'm a student right now in end-of-quarter crunch mode so I can't make it tomorrow but I'll be home free after June 9th so we can definitely figure out a time after that. Anyone else in the general Sacramento / NorCal area is welcome to chime in as well, of course, and we can all find a meet-up time.
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I'm a student right now in end-of-quarter crunch mode so I can't make it tomorrow but I'll be home free after June 9th so we can definitely figure out a time after that. Anyone else in the general Sacramento / NorCal area is welcome to chime in as well, of course, and we can all find a meet-up time.
Okay. I will still be there tomorrow at A&S and it looks like TF104 will also be there.
I will see you on some date after June 9.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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A few personal thoughts/opinions:
- I don't think this will qualify as a tourer in the USA until the CCS charging network improves along the interstates and other freeways.
- I like that it's got a lower power output than even the SS9- which I think helps to differentiate the various models and provide reasons to pick different ones (personally, although I like the idea of the Experia, I've gotten addicted to the power of my Ribelle and I don't think I can drop down.)
- I love the addition of a top case, make the Experia the ideal commuter IMHO. I wish/hope Energica releases a revised mounting kit for the SS9/Ribelle to be able to use Givi Monokey cases like this. The added range, lighter weight, and additional storage space almost makes me want to pick one up to replace my Ribelle but like I said above, I love the power of my Ribelle too much
Overall, kudos to Energica for providing more options for e-motorcycling. I'm excited to see what the next 3+ years will bring from not only Energica, but Zero and Livewire as well.
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Wouldn't the Experia cost less, since it's significantly lower on power?
Also wonder if the new 22.5 batteries will be made standard for all bikes going forward, and if we get that new dashboard in a FW update.
Have they removed bluetooth from all the new bikes?
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Wouldn't the Experia cost less, since it's significantly lower on power?
Motor isn't the super expensive components. Batteries, on the other hand...
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I see this more for solo touring unless you're touring with similar eMotorcyclists.
The biggest problem with group e-touring is charging - every electric bike need a station every 100-130ish miles. That's a serious disadvantage to a day-long group ride. Right now in the UK it would be a showstopper (even with a lot of decent chargers in a small country) even if there were say just 4 of you.
However, if all your mates are on ICE bikes the only battle is to convince them to stop at a charging station for coffee - that's doable.
No, electric bikes are still better off NOT using the highways.
No, electric bikes are still better off NOT using the highways.
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No, electric bikes are still better off NOT using the highways.
I'd love to see the electric equivalent of a modern Goldwing.
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I bet you could make an electrified GW and it be essentially the same weight as it was before, and same range.
Cas :)
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Are you aware that a&s bmw in Roseville is now a energica dealer?
Their website claims that they will have bikes to test ride in june
Mark, Nice meeting you today at A & S.
For info to others: A & S (https://www.aspowersports.com/)cannot accept any orders at this time. They will call me when they can accept orders for the Experia, which probably won't be a long wait. They say they need to be trained on the Energica first which should soon happen.
I had a busy day riding around in Sacramento on my SS9-. I rode 72 miles of mixed and was down to a few SOC when I got here to the GreenLots CCS charger (https://www.plugshare.com/location/310752)in Roseville at the 7-11 store which is part of the Shell gas station. Perhaps most here have heard that Greenlots is now owned by Shell. Perhaps soon more Shell gas stations will have CCS/ CHAdeMO chargers soon. No J-1772 here.
I had lunch in West Sacramento, Hong Kong Style food (https://www.yummycafesacramento.com/). I first went to the Ham Radio Outlet in Sacramento. (https://www.hamradio.com/locations.cfm?storeid=3)
As soon as I get charged up, I am headed home to Auburn.
-Don- Roseville, CA
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Wouldn't the Experia cost less, since it's significantly lower on power?
Also wonder if the new 22.5 batteries will be made standard for all bikes going forward, and if we get that new dashboard in a FW update.
Have they removed bluetooth from all the new bikes?
Good questions.
Energica has always shrugged legacy product compatibility so don't hold your breath on anything new.
The Experia, for reasons you mention, should not exceed the cost of a SS9 / Ribelle from simply the loss in torque standpoint, no?
TopBox is everything from a utility / commuting point of view and that itch was satisfied so the new bike does not really appeal but waiting to hear end-user reviews.
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The Experia, for reasons you mention, should not exceed the cost of a SS9 / Ribelle from simply the loss in torque standpoint, no?
Perhaps done because of safety concerns because of the added stuff. Also, so one cannot drain the battery down too fast.
Loss of a little torque doesn't mean much too me. It should have plenty as is for any type of touring.
I don't expect the price to be a big bargain, but we will soon find out.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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$25,880 for the Launch Edition
https://configurator.energicamotor.com/us/configure/experia_my2022/version
Launch Edition comes with all the racking and storage cases. I suspect this is a limited edition and we'll see some additional options in a few months.
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$25,880 for the Launch Edition
https://configurator.energicamotor.com/us/configure/experia_my2022/version (https://configurator.energicamotor.com/us/configure/experia_my2022/version)
Launch Edition comes with all the racking and storage cases. I suspect this is a limited edition and we'll see some additional options in a few months.
What type of options would you expect? Price seems very reasonable, IMO. However, that is the BS price. The OTD price will be thousands higher.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Interesting that it's so close in price to the other bikes. MVetter was right about the battery being the main cost I guess.
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Seems a bit ridiculous to me, UK pricing puts it at £3600 ($4.5k) more than the 21.5 SS9. Yeah it's newer and lighter (although for about a grand more the SS9 RS is supposed to be the same weight) but it's also 20kW down. I don't know much about Energicas so maybe I'm missing something.
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You may now pre-order here (https://www.energicamotor.com/en/pre-order-motorcycle/), where it did NOT work last night, they really did mean June 1!
I just now placed my pre-order.
I wonder if I were the first to do such in the USA. I just received this email after the pre-order:
"Dear Donald,We have received your details correctly. We’ll get back to you as soon as possible.
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This e-mail was sent from a contact form on Energica Motor Company"
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Seems a bit ridiculous to me, UK pricing puts it at £3600 ($4.5k) more than the 21.5 SS9. Yeah it's newer and lighter (although for about a grand more the SS9 RS is supposed to be the same weight) but it's also 20kW down. I don't know much about Energicas so maybe I'm missing something.
That's because it's the Launch Edition that includes full luggage, heated grips, fancy bar ends, etc. I would expect the base model to cost roughly the same as the Ribelle when it's available.
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Seems a bit ridiculous to me, UK pricing puts it at £3600 ($4.5k) more than the 21.5 SS9. Yeah it's newer and lighter (although for about a grand more the SS9 RS is supposed to be the same weight) but it's also 20kW down. I don't know much about Energicas so maybe I'm missing something.
That's because it's the Launch Edition that includes full luggage, heated grips, fancy bar ends, etc. I would expect the base model to cost roughly the same as the Ribelle when it's available.
So still £2k more than the SS9, £1k more than the RS to get rid of the weight advantage. The difference in battery capacity is negligible so really the trade off is a significant drop in power for fairings, and while that is a significant thing that you can't easily add to an SS9 it doesn't make sense to me in terms of cost.
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The likely advantage for this bike is the cooling.
I would think it will fix the thermal cut back that they get with hard riding and multiple CCS charging sessions.
Zerofun YT channel has a video on it.
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As I mentioned I'm not an Energica guy but I remember hearing about them improving their cooling fairly recently (think it was something about a single cooling circuit instead of two), do the newer versions still have that issue? And if so, it makes me wonder if just turning down the power on the more powerful models to match the Experia would result in the same thermal performance.
Also, is anyone else wondering if Sony might go after them for the name? If that's even possible, I know it's not related to phones at all but it's a fairly unique name.
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The difference in battery capacity is negligible
Not when you have to walk that one KWH worth with the bike!
-Don- Auburn, CA
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...it makes me wonder if just turning down the power on the more powerful models to match the Experia would result in the same thermal performance.
Bingo. We have a winner!
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I actually doubt that. A bike cruising at a given speed is going to need a certain number of Watts to push through the wind resistance regardless of whether it’s a smaller motor spinning faster or a larger one spinning slower. With gas the bigger one would need more power to keep it turning but with electric it shouldn’t make much difference.
I don’t expect the difference in charging thermals to be anything dramatic without liquid cooling of the pack or some other creative ideas.* At best, I would expect something similar to the cooling of the 13.4 kWh packs in a lighter package, and I can confirm that my SS9- does throttle back charging speed on hot days or starting on the 2nd charge. In 70 deg F weather, I get the full 23 kW on the first charge, which gradually tapers to 15 kW. In 100 deg F weather, it starts at 18 kW and goes down to 12 or lower.
*one such idea I recently had was to dump heat from the battery pack into the motor to take advantage of its liquid cooling, but I don’t know if the motor’s cooling system can work when it’s not spinning during charging. I feel like that’s something Energica’s engineers would have thought of during the design of the previous models if it were feasible.
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I did the pre-order this morning.
In the morning (Thursday June 2) I will ride to A&S and give them my 3K$ deposit.
I don't see how I could not like this bike. Buying without a test ride or anything.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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I was never too sure about the Zero vs Energica thing, but with this new bike... damn. I wonder if second-hand zeros are easy to sell...
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I did the pre-order this morning.
In the morning (Thursday June 2) I will ride to A&S and give them my 3K$ deposit.
I don't see how I could not like this bike. Buying without a test ride or anything.
-Don- Auburn, CA
Congrats on the order! I have my deposit in with CalMoto, I gave them a call when it launched and they took a deposit. Super excited about this bike. I never filled out the pre-order form but after calling Energica USA they said you can go through your dealer just fine without filling it out, if anyone is curious.
Guess we will see which one of us gets it first! haha. My assumption is they will basically arrive at the same time, in a first wave of bikes.
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Congrats on the order! I have my deposit in with CalMoto, I gave them a call when it launched and they took a deposit. Super excited about this bike. I never filled out the pre-order form but after calling Energica USA they said you can go through your dealer just fine without filling it out, if anyone is curious.
Guess we will see which one of us gets it first! haha. My assumption is they will basically arrive at the same time, in a first wave of bikes.
A&S (via emial) suggested for me to do the pre-order, so I did. I will head down there to A&S in a few hours to give them a check for a few thousand bucks to make the order official with the deposit.
Did I hear somewhere that we will not get our bikes until after summer?
I am so glad I waited to see what was going to be available from Energica next. I was tempted to but the Ribille RS, now I am glad I didn't.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Congrats on the order! I have my deposit in with CalMoto, I gave them a call when it launched and they took a deposit. Super excited about this bike. I never filled out the pre-order form but after calling Energica USA they said you can go through your dealer just fine without filling it out, if anyone is curious.
Guess we will see which one of us gets it first! haha. My assumption is they will basically arrive at the same time, in a first wave of bikes.
A&S (via emial) suggested for me to do the pre-order, so I did. I will head down there to A&S in a few hours to give them a check for a few thousand bucks to make the order official with the deposit.
Did I hear somewhere that we will not get our bikes until after summer?
I am so glad I waited to see what was going to be available from Energica next. I was tempted to but the Ribille RS, now I am glad I didn't.
-Don- Auburn, CA
Interesting, hopefully I don't get impacted by not filling out the pre-order form. Supposedly CalMoto already notified Energica they had a pre-order so I'm assuming at this point it wouldn't matter if I did.
I've heard Fall/Winter for deliveries, but I don't think any confirmation of that has been given. CalMoto told me that if you ordered a Ribelle RS today it would take ~15 weeks due to production, shipping, and customs. So basically ~4 months. Considering I don't think production has started on Experia, I would assume at minimum we are looking at September/October for deliveries.
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Interesting, hopefully I don't get impacted by not filling out the pre-order form. Supposedly CalMoto already notified Energica they had a pre-order so I'm assuming at this point it wouldn't matter if I did.
I've heard Fall/Winter for deliveries, but I don't think any confirmation of that has been given. CalMoto told me that if you ordered a Ribelle RS today it would take ~15 weeks due to production, shipping, and customs. So basically ~4 months. Considering I don't think production has started on Experia, I would assume at minimum we are looking at September/October for deliveries.
I also doubt if the pre-order is necessary. Cal-Moto will want to sell the bike and they will do all they can to make that possible.
Yeah, I was also expecting September--and then perhaps a month delay--which means Oct. Just about in time for winter--we can then test out the heated grips ;) .
I am going to head out in about a half hour to make that 3K$ deposit at A&S cycles. I will be there at around 1300 hrs or so--on my blue Esse Esse 9-.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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I am so glad I waited to see what was going to be available from Energica next. I was tempted to but the Ribille RS, now I am glad I didn't.
-Don- Auburn, CA
Your patience will pay dividends, Don...bike is stunning...the seat looks really comfy...can only guess what it handles like...flipping motor 180 is genius...
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Your patience will pay dividends, Don...bike is stunning...the seat looks really comfy...can only guess what it handles like...flipping motor 180 is genius...
Yeah, for once I decided to wait to see what they will have for the next year.
Today, I went down to A&S and gave them a check for 3K$. So now, I assume the order is officially in. They gave me a tour of their service department while I was there.
From there, I rode my SS9 to Sacramento to Happy Garden (https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g32999-d4953358-Reviews-New_Happy_Garden-Sacramento_California.html) for a Dim Sum lunch which I have not had for years.
I charged up at the Harley Dealer in Rocklin (https://www.plugshare.com/location/199694) so I could make it home. I put on close to 100 miles on my SS9- again today.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Your patience will pay dividends, Don...bike is stunning...the seat looks really comfy...can only guess what it handles like...flipping motor 180 is genius...
Yeah, for once I decided to wait to see what they will have for the next year.
Today, I went down to A&S and gave them a check for 3K$. So now, I assume the order is officially in. They gave me a tour of their service department while I was there.
From there, I rode my SS9 to Sacramento to Happy Garden (https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g32999-d4953358-Reviews-New_Happy_Garden-Sacramento_California.html) for a Dim Sum lunch which I have not had for years.
I charged up at the Harley Dealer in Rocklin (https://www.plugshare.com/location/199694) so I could make it home. I put on close to 100 miles on my SS9- again today.
-Don- Auburn, CA
You sure do put on the miles. I think the Experia will be perfect for you. How are the Harley DC Fast Chargers? What do they max out at?
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How are the Harley DC Fast Chargers? What do they max out at?
They are 60 amp versions of this (https://www.carplug.eu/ies-keywatt-borne-rapide-dc-24kw-ccs-sim-rfid).
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You sure do put on the miles. I think the Experia will be perfect for you. How are the Harley DC Fast Chargers? What do they max out at?
I have done a couple of 300 mile day rides on my SS9-.
The one at Rocklin H-D claims to be a 24KW CCS charger on Plugshare. I have never gotten more than 15 KW from it. But often the bike is quite hot when I charge up there. It was above 90F/33C there today.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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..... because it has a 60 amp max output
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..... because it has a 60 amp max output
What do you mean? Plusgshare says it is good for 24KW, but I have never seen more than 15KW and more often 12KW as when I checked several times today.
Normally when I charge elsewhere, I get about twice that rate, closer to 24 KW if not a bit more.
However, even with that 12KW, my battery indicator was yellow when I unplugged at 78% SOC. And it stayed yellow all the way home. It was green before the charge.
BTW, if the SS9- has better battery cooling than the +, should I expect some serious problems on the larger battery with less cooling on very hot days? Have you ever seen it red on your bike? I have only seen green and yellow so far, yellow only after charging but it stays yellow even after a long downhill ride with regen turned off.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Most of that model station, the IES KeyWatt Wallbox 24, are set to output a max of 50 amps in the wild. The ratings of all charging stations, when that one was being designed, are based off an output voltage of 500vdc. This has changed a bit in the modern world but that's incidental. 50 Amps x 500 Volts = 25000 Watts. I don't know why they round down to 24000 and list it as such but there we are. Maybe 24 sounded cooler.
The ones at H-D dealerships are tweaked and have a max output of 60 amps. Our bikes, and also LiveWires, do not operate at 500 volts. Our bikes operate between 280-330vdc. When I encounter these stations in the wild, and I've only ever seen them ChargePoint branded (like this one) (https://www.plugshare.com/location/82086), they output a max of 50 amps. What's 50 Amps x 300 Volts (your nominal pack voltage) you ask? Why, 15000 Watts aka 15kW.
The H-D branded IES KeyWatt Wallbox 24 stations found at H-D dealerships, like this one (https://www.plugshare.com/location/204730), are set to deliver a max output of 60 amps. I have personally tested the linked station and know that it does this. 60 Amps x 300 Volts = 18000 Watts aka 18kW at nominal voltage.
If you want some LiveWire math those bikes operate between 250-300vdc so they'll see lower numbers from the same stations because they can only charge at 60 amps. Because the LiveWire's max charge rate from 0-40% of the battery is 80 amps and these stations can only output 60, it will take a LiveWire an hour and 11 minutes to charge to full at one of these stations. Which I have personally tested and documented. It'll do the flat hour at a regular 50kW station aka 100 Amp output.
But these ones are 60 Amps.
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Most of that model station, the IES KeyWatt Wallbox 24, are set to output a max of 50 amps in the wild. The ratings of all charging stations, when that one was being designed, are based off an output voltage of 500vdc. This has changed a bit in the modern world but that's incidental. 50 Amps x 500 Volts = 25000 Watts. I don't know why they round down to 24000 and list it as such but there we are. Maybe 24 sounded cooler.
The ones at H-D dealerships are tweaked and have a max output of 60 amps. Our bikes, and also LiveWires, do not operate at 500 volts. Our bikes operate between 280-330vdc. When I encounter these stations in the wild, and I've only ever seen them ChargePoint branded (like this one) (https://www.plugshare.com/location/82086), they output a max of 50 amps. What's 50 Amps x 300 Volts (your nominal pack voltage) you ask? Why, 15000 Watts aka 15kW.
The H-D branded IES KeyWatt Wallbox 24 stations found at H-D dealerships, like this one (https://www.plugshare.com/location/204730), are set to deliver a max output of 60 amps. I have personally tested the linked station and know that it does this. 60 Amps x 300 Volts = 18000 Watts aka 18kW at nominal voltage.
If you want some LiveWire math those bikes operate between 250-300vdc so they'll see lower numbers from the same stations because they can only charge at 60 amps. Because the LiveWire's max charge rate from 0-40% of the battery is 80 amps and these stations can only output 60, it will take a LiveWire an hour and 11 minutes to charge to full at one of these stations. Which I have personally tested and documented. It'll do the flat hour at a regular 50kW station aka 100 Amp output.
But these ones are 60 Amps.
OIC, so Energicas and LWs won't get above 15 KW out of them, but other vehicles that have a higher battery voltage perhaps get the full 24 KWs out of them. Perhaps they say 24KW instead of 25 because of the voltage drop under load.
BTW, I have charged mu SS9- at that Livermore H-D that you linked to. My check-in there was on May 13, 2021 and even there I said I got 15KW max.
So 15KW is all we can expect from the HD type of chargers on our bikes. Sounds like they are more designed for CCS cars than for motorcycles.
Thanks for the info.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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So 15KW is all we can expect from the HD type of chargers on our bikes. Sounds like they are more designed for CCS cars than for motorcycles.
This is not a limitation of the vehicle but a limitation of the DC chargers installed at HD dealerships.
I suspect that Harley laid out the requirements of the CCS units HD dealerships had to install.
Since the Livewire has a rated max DC charge rate of 15kWh, I can not see a reason HD dealerships would pay for infrastructure that exceeded that charge rate.
Alternatively it is possible the limit the max charge rate of a CCS station.
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This is not a limitation of the vehicle but a limitation of the DC chargers installed at HD dealerships.
I suspect that Harley laid out the requirements of the CCS units HD dealerships had to install.
Since the Livewire has a rated max DC charge rate of 15kWh, I can not see a reason HD dealerships would pay for infrastructure that exceeded that charge rate.
Actually the LiveWire will do a max of 21kW at the bottom end of its charge cycle. It *will* pull 80 Amps from like 0-40%. After that it spends most of its time at 60 Amps until the mid 70s or so, then it drops to 40 Amps. When all this is done on a 100 Amp station the bike will fully charge in 1 hour. However when it's done on one of the H-D branded IES KeyWatt ones they're missing that additional 20 Amps on the bottom end of the charge cycle which results in it taking an hour and 11 minutes.
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What is the max charging watts on our Energicas on any CCS charger?
BTW, I wonder why amps are often used instead of watts. Then we have to know the voltage, unlike with watts.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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The max amp request for modern Energicas is 75 Amps. The Watt value will fluctuate with a fixed Amp value as Voltage rises. As the bike ranges from 280-330vdc (approximately) you'll see a slightly higher value compared to when it was empty. Examples:
- Empty bike 280vdc x 75A = 21000W aka 21kW
- 50% bike 300vdc x 75A = 22500W aka 22.5kW
- 80% bike 320vdc x 75A = 24000W aka 24kW
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I think because "current" is the limiting factor in "power distribution". Watts per se do not fry a cable .... but AMPs do:
100KW = 100KV x 1A = OK
1W = 0.01V x 100A = not good
Giacomo
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I think because "current" is the limiting factor in "power distribution". Watts per se do not fry a cable .... but AMPs do:
100KW = 100KV x 1A = OK
1W = 0.01V x 100A = not good
Giacomo
That's a good point that I have not thought about before.
But watts are easier to figure out, such as it takes about an hour (not counting heat loses) to charge a 20KWH battery at a steady 20KW. We can get a rough idea how long a charge will take if they use wattages on both the charge station as well as on the vehicle. Charging a 22KWH battery, at 32 amps isn't so simple to figure out. Especially when most of us don't even know the battery voltage.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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The max amp request for modern Energicas is 75 Amps. The Watt value will fluctuate with a fixed Amp value as Voltage rises. As the bike ranges from 280-330vdc (approximately) you'll see a slightly higher value compared to when it was empty. Examples:
- Empty bike 280vdc x 75A = 21000W aka 21kW
- 50% bike 300vdc x 75A = 22500W aka 22.5kW
- 80% bike 320vdc x 75A = 24000W aka 24kW
Is 24 KW the most our Energicas will accept? i thought I have seen a bit higher.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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But watts are easier to figure out, such as it takes about an hour (not counting heat loses) to charge a 20KWH battery at a steady 20KW. We can get a rough idea how long a charge will take if they use wattages on both the charge station as well as on the vehicle. Charging a 22KWH battery, at 32 amps isn't so simple to figure out. Especially when most of us don't even know the battery voltage.
You could just as easily talk about the A-h of the battery instead of kWh.
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You could just as easily talk about the A-h of the battery instead of kWh.
Sure, but it is the inconstancy that I have an issue with. Why rate the batteries in KWH but the charge stations in amps? More common on J-1772 and home charging than CCS.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Why rate the batteries in KWH but the charge stations in amps?
-Don- Auburn, CA
Because KWh describes working capacity for an EV whereas charge stations supply constant current limited (in most cases) by the EV being charged?
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Because KWh describes working capacity for an EV whereas charge stations supply constant current limited (in most cases) by the EV being charged?
I am not sure of the reason for amps, but it often means I have to do a little math when I charge my 2017 Zero SR at below 8KW using external chargers to J-1772. No pilot signal used, so I have to adjust my charging manually unless the machine can do at least 33.33 amps or more (240VAC times 33.33=8KW). At least that is an easy number to remember.
I can charge my Zero SR at any of the following rates (as required):
1.3 KW
3.3 KW
4.6 KW
6.6 KW
7.9 KW
I know I am in the wrong section for Zeros! But . . .
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Okay, I will get back on subject here!
I noticed here (https://www.energicamotor.com/us/models/energica-experia/)they show the bike fully loaded. And there is says "starting from $25,880.00." So what price does it end at?
When we go to pre-order, it shows it stripped down as shown here. (https://www.energicamotor.com/en/pre-order-motorcycle/)
So what do we get for $25,880.00?
-Don- Auburn, CA
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We won't officially know until they show the non-Launch Edition. I suspect they'll knock a couple grand off.
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We won't officially know until they show the non-Launch Edition. I suspect they'll knock a couple grand off.
What comes with the launch edition? Or do you mean I get no clue on what I just put my deposit down on?
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Launch edition gets all the luggage, racking, heated grips, and other fancy pants stuff.
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Launch edition gets all the luggage, racking, heated grips, and other fancy pants stuff.
That's what I was hoping for, but I wonder why they do not show that on the pre-order page. And also, if it comes with all the goodies at the $25,880.00 price tag, why does it say "starts at $25,880"? What stock stuff can be added to that 25.88K$ to get to the end price?
Something just isn't adding up.
Is the 25.88K$ price a fully loaded bike or is it the price of it stripped down without the goodies?
IOW, is that 25.88K$ price the launch price of the fully loaded bike or is it the price of it stripped down as shown?
The evidence seems to indicate that the 25.88K$ is NOT the launch price of the fully loaded bike. Does anybody know for sure?
-Don- Auburn, CA
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I guess nobody yet knows. But when I receive my bike in a few months or whenever, I will post a true break-down of the exact true costs here in this thread, and what the bike comes with for that base price of 25.880K$.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Below is the notice I received after placing an order for the "Launch Edition". If I recall correctly the only additional option was the Key Less switch at $397.
You have chosen the
Experia (EX)
motorcycle model with the following configuration:
Model Version
(EX01) Experia Launch Edition. Battery 22.5 kWh: $25880.00;
Fairing Color
(EX03) Bormio Ice: $0.00;
Suspension
(EX06) ZF SACHS front fork & ZF SACHS rear shock absorber: $0.00;
Wheels
(EX08) Cast aluminum wheels with red details: $0.00;
Electronic Components
(EX11) Heated handgrips: $0.00;
Accessories
(EX19) AC domestic charging cable: $0.00;
Screws
(EX21) Bar ends & Ergal bolts kit Black: $0.00;
Side Bags
(EX23) Top case and side cases with Energica rack kit: $0.00;
Total = $25880.00
Thank you for choosing Energica!
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Below is the notice I received after placing an order for the "Launch Edition". If I recall correctly the only additional option was the Key Less switch at $397.
You have chosen the
Experia (EX)
motorcycle model with the following configuration:
Model Version
(EX01) Experia Launch Edition. Battery 22.5 kWh: $25880.00;
Fairing Color
(EX03) Bormio Ice: $0.00;
Suspension
(EX06) ZF SACHS front fork & ZF SACHS rear shock absorber: $0.00;
Wheels
(EX08) Cast aluminum wheels with red details: $0.00;
Electronic Components
(EX11) Heated handgrips: $0.00;
Accessories
(EX19) AC domestic charging cable: $0.00;
Screws
(EX21) Bar ends & Ergal bolts kit Black: $0.00;
Side Bags
(EX23) Top case and side cases with Energica rack kit: $0.00;
Total = $25880.00
Thank you for choosing Energica!
Thanks, when did you order and when did you receive that notice? I only received an email which said:
"Dear Donald,We have received your details correctly. We’ll get back to you as soon as possible."
Both were on June 1. The first day possible to preorder.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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I ordered on-line June 1 and got the confirmation e-mail 20 minutes later. I was changing a previous SS9+ order and was advised to use the new Configurator "so it registers with Italy to go to the new Configurator for the Experia, although there aren’t many options with the Launch Edition, to confirm."
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After being a BMW customer for the past 25 years, every time I see a new "launch edition" model, I think it will come from the factory with a kitchen sink. ;)
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I ordered on-line June 1 and got the confirmation e-mail 20 minutes later. I was changing a previous SS9+ order and was advised to use the new Configurator "so it registers with Italy to go to the new Configurator for the Experia, although there aren’t many options with the Launch Edition, to confirm."
I wonder why I received a different message. Perhaps mine went in too soon before they updated their info. there.
Or are you outside the USA?
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Santa Maria, California.
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I ordered on-line June 1 and got the confirmation e-mail 20 minutes later. I was changing a previous SS9+ order and was advised to use the new Configurator "so it registers with Italy to go to the new Configurator for the Experia, although there aren’t many options with the Launch Edition, to confirm."
I wonder why I received a different message. Perhaps mine went it too soon before they updated their info. there.
Or are you outside the USA?
-Don- Auburn, CA
His email is the same one I got for using the 'Book' button on the configuration tool. IIRC you used the pre-order form which probably just sends a different generic email. I think both methods just notify Energica of your interest in their motorcycle and the info is forwarded to a nearby dealer/they reach out to confirm interest.
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His email is the same one I got for using the 'Book' button on the configuration tool. IIRC you used the pre-order form which probably just sends a different generic email. I think both methods just notify Energica of your interest in their motorcycle and the info is forwarded to a nearby dealer/they reach out to confirm interest.
I received a phone call from Tom Hoff from Energica in Southern CA. I was told they knew about my 3K$ deposit with Randy at A&S cycles in RoseVille. They expect the Experias to be in the USA on time in early September.
We had a nice chat about EVs as he and his wife are looking for an EV car so I explained how my 2022 Chevy Bolt compares to my 2018 Tesla M3 AWD-LR. All the little small features I like in the Bolt that do not exist in the Tesla. But I did my best to explain the pluses and minuses of each. Even though they are both EVs, they do not compare well at all. I find the Chevy Bolt more fun to drive than the Tesla. I really like the way the regen works MUCH better in the Bolt.
We even talked about Electric motorcycles for a little bit. :)
-Don- Reno, NV
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If I recall correctly the only additional option was the Key Less switch at $397.
I would be happy to pay the extra ~$400.00 for the keyless ignition, but I was never asked.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Don't know what your experience is with the keyless, but it seldom works first try. It's a cool gimmick but a key works better imho. Also, turning the bike on and then off again is a bit silly to put the steering lock on.
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Skodz, Completely agree on the keyless system, mine typically takes 2-3 attempts to get the bike turned on. Would never get a keyless system again.
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Don't know what your experience is with the keyless, but it seldom works first try. It's a cool gimmick but a key works better imho. Also, turning the bike on and then off again is a bit silly to put the steering lock on.
Don't confuse the Energica issue with other keyless vehicles. I have such on my Harley and it works great, at least until the battery in the FOB gets weak (then the FOB must be away from the bike to put in my PIN code). A dead FOB battery would cause no such problem, just when the FOB battery is weak, it then won't let the bike start even with a pin code). This is a minor issue, IMO, at least when one knows that can happen. I prefer the FOB to keys by far.
My Chevy Bolt also uses a such FOB. Works perfectly every time (so far).
I also have a FOB for my Tesla M3, but it's a stupid type where I need to press the button on the FOB to drive the car or unlock the doors, trunk or frunk. Still better than a key (or any of the other Tesla non-FOB methods, IMO).
I have heard about the issue in the Energica. That is NOT typical with keyless. I am assuming Energica fixed that issue with their new Experica. They must know about it and realize it needs fixing by now.
-Don- Reno, NV
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His email is the same one I got for using the 'Book' button on the configuration tool. IIRC you used the pre-order form which probably just sends a different generic email. I think both methods just notify Energica of your interest in their motorcycle and the info is forwarded to a nearby dealer/they reach out to confirm interest.
I received a phone call from Tom Hoff from Energica in Southern CA. I was told they knew about my 3K$ deposit with Randy at A&S cycles in RoseVille. They expect the Experias to be in the USA on time in early September.
Damn you got a phone call? Must be nice haha. Wonder if I will end up hearing anything.
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Damn you got a phone call? Must be nice haha. Wonder if I will end up hearing anything.
I would think so as long as they have your phone number. I have done business with A&S cycles in the past, so they have my phone number. But Energica probably also has it as I have done business with them too.
Are you sure Energica has or can get your phone number?
-Don- Reno, NV
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I would think so as long as they have your phone number. I have done business with A&S cycles in the past, so they have my phone number. But Energica probably also has it as I have done business with them too.
Are you sure Energica has or can get your phone number?
-Don- Reno, NV
I just checked and the email I received from them when I used the 'Book' button has all my contact info so they have it. Plus CalMoto has it as well. Either way I should be good I hope. Excited for the reviews after this week, press event this week in Italy.
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Don't confuse the Energica issue with other keyless vehicles. I have such on my Harley and it works great, at least until the battery in the FOB gets weak (then the FOB must be away from the bike to put in my PIN code). A dead FOB battery would cause no such problem, just when the FOB battery is weak, it then won't let the bike start even with a pin code). This is a minor issue, IMO, at least when one knows that can happen. I prefer the FOB to keys by far.
My Chevy Bolt also uses a such FOB. Works perfectly every time (so far).
I also have a FOB for my Tesla M3, but it's a stupid type where I need to press the button on the FOB to drive the car or unlock the doors, trunk or frunk. Still better than a key (or any of the other Tesla non-FOB methods, IMO).
I have heard about the issue in the Energica. That is NOT typical with keyless. I am assuming Energica fixed that issue with their new Experica. They must know about it and realize it needs fixing by now.
-Don- Reno, NV
My 2011 Ducati Multistrada had similar problems, maybe it’s an Italian thing. I still preferred it over a key, though.
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My 2011 Ducati Multistrada had similar problems, maybe it’s an Italian thing. I still preferred it over a key, though.
Or, since it is an intermittent issue, perhaps it is RF interference on the carrier frequency of the FOB here in the USA. Especially if one notices it works better in garages or in canyons away from cities, etc. Most FOBs in the USA work at around 350 MHZ--using rolling code technology. (https://allsecurityequipment.com/blogs/blog/rolling-code-technology)
Perhaps Italy uses a different carrier frequency that is more crowded in the USA than there.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Skodz, Completely agree on the keyless system, mine typically takes 2-3 attempts to get the bike turned on. Would never get a keyless system again.
Does it happen in all locations or is it less flakey when far from the city and transmitters and other possible interference?
-Don- Reno, NV
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DomTom,
It happens in all locations, anytime I try to start the bike. There are times it may start on the first time but they are rare. Have also seen it take four attempts though.
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DomTom,
It happens in all locations, anytime I try to start the bike. There are times it may start on the first time but they are rare. Have also seen it take four attempts though.
I hear Energica already fixed that issue in the newer bikes. They now use a different supplier for the FOB stuff.
-Don- Reno, NV
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I have driven the Experia yesterday. This bike feels incredibly nimble and light. The drive train is also next level with regards to quietness and smoothness. Steering, braking is super easy. Also incredibly more comfy on cobblestone road than Ribelle. Power I estimate more than my 2018 SS9, maybe little less than emce SS9. These test bikes had some quirks being pre-production: more extensive settings, but crappy to change (should be better). I also could not see the kWh/100 km unfortunately.windscreen did give turbulence when not ducking, but so did my bmw RS screen in the past. We charged at a Tesla SC stall and initializing went surprisingly fast and stable. At the spot a driving school manager ordered one. This is a motorcycle that one cannot deny.
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Thanks SBK74, sounds like a good step in the right direction.
Is the screen electric up and down or manual settings, or maybe fixed but it looks adjustable.
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Does the Experia have Bluetooth?
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Don't know what your experience is with the keyless, but it seldom works first try. It's a cool gimmick but a key works better imho. Also, turning the bike on and then off again is a bit silly to put the steering lock on.
I was told by a 2022 Rebelle rider that the issue was taken care of in the 2022 models. He said Energica found a new supplier for the keyless system module, and the new keyless system works perfectly.
-Don- Reno, NV
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I have driven the Experia yesterday. This bike feels incredibly nimble and light. The drive train is also next level with regards to quietness and smoothness. Steering, braking is super easy. Also incredibly more comfy on cobblestone road than Ribelle. Power I estimate more than my 2018 SS9, maybe little less than emce SS9. These test bikes had some quirks being pre-production: more extensive settings, but crappy to change (should be better). I also could not see the kWh/100 km unfortunately.windscreen did give turbulence when not ducking, but so did my bmw RS screen in the past. We charged at a Tesla SC stall and initializing went surprisingly fast and stable. At the spot a driving school manager ordered one. This is a motorcycle that one cannot deny.
Does the Experia have a centerstand? Keyless? Tell me as much about it as possible on the stuff that is not in their very poor advertisements. I have the bike on order, but I am curious what I will be getting.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Does the Experia have a centerstand? Keyless? Tell me as much about it as possible on the stuff that is not in their very poor advertisements. I have the bike on order, but I am curious what I will be getting.
-Don- Reno, NV
Centerstand is part of the base unit. Keyless is $397. This is all on the site.
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Centerstand is part of the base unit. Keyless is $397. This is all on the site.
Where? I don't see such info mentioned here. (https://www.energicamotor.com/us/models/energica-experia/)
-Don- Reno, NV
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Centerstand is part of the base unit. Keyless is $397. This is all on the site.
Where? I don't see such info mentioned here. (https://www.energicamotor.com/us/models/energica-experia/)
-Don- Reno, NV
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Difficult to see, but I thought I saw a centerstand, such, but I wasn't sure.
Anyway, I am more concerned about the keyless thingy and if I need to tell them at A&S Cycles that I want to order such. Or will I be asked later? I never saw anywhere where Energica mentioned the keyless thingy so I would like to know where you found the price for it--or better yet, how I can be sure it's ordered for my Experia.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Difficult to see, but I thought I saw a centerstand, such, but I wasn't sure.
Anyway, I am more concerned about the keyless thingy and if I need to tell them at A&S Cycles that I want to order such. Or will I be asked later? I never saw anywhere where Energica mentioned the keyless thingy so I would like to know where you found the price for it--or better yet, how I can be sure it's ordered for my Experia.
-Don- Reno, NV
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While I wasn't sure about the technology on a motorcycle, I will admit that the keyless system used on my BMW R1200RS sure works well and in the 7 years that I have owned the motorcycle, I have only needed to replace the key fob battery once. And even then, the bike gave me a warning 90 days before the battery died.
I will also add that (knock on wood) the tire pressure checking and warning system is also still working. So far the internal (very expensive and not replaceable) device's battery is hanging in there. That is another technology that has impressed me with its reliability, in spite of me being the one that changes the tires and has not yet damaged the wheels' internal tire pressure sensors. :)
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In that photo, I can clearly see the centerstand. I have not seen that photo anywhere before. Where did you find it?
-Don- Reno, NV
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It's literally the main photo used on https://www.energicamotor.com/us/
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It's literally the main photo used on https://www.energicamotor.com/us/ (https://www.energicamotor.com/us/)
I see it on the 2nd photo. It would have been much clearer if they would put the bike on the centrstand.
But where did you find that info. about the keyless thingy?
-Don- Reno, NV
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In the configurator. It's like the 2nd or 3rd screen.
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In the configurator. It's like the 2nd or 3rd screen.
If you mean where go to order, it wasn't there when I ordered the Experia on the very first day possible.
-Don- Davis Creek Park, NV (on my Zero SR)
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If you mean where go to order, it wasn't there when I ordered the Experia on the very first day possible.
-Don- Davis Creek Park, NV (on my Zero SR)
Don - you used the 'pre-order form' not the configurator when you did yours. Your dealership should reach out to ask what configurable items you want.. and since on this version it's only keyless that's an option you could probably just reach out and confirm with them.
I have a suspicion that the dealerships haven't been able to do much with the information except report they have pre-orders. It's still early for Energica I think. I could be totally wrong though.
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Don - you used the 'pre-order form' not the configurator when you did yours. Your dealership should reach out to ask what configurable items you want.. and since on this version it's only keyless that's an option you could probably just reach out and confirm with them.
I have a suspicion that the dealerships haven't been able to do much with the information except report they have pre-orders. It's still early for Energica I think. I could be totally wrong though.
OIC. I have not been asked for anything from the dealer, except for my 3K$. I was thinking MVetter found the info. on-line somewhere.
-Don- Markleeville, CA (https://www.findmespot.com/en-us/mylocation?id=1guslZ/38.77178N/119.81631W) (charging up Zero SR at only 6.6KW, because a car is using the other side of the ChargePoint here)
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I posted Sam's test ride on the video section.
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Visited the dealer last tuesday (Bikexperience in Amsterdam, the Netherlands) and he had a demo in the showroom. The bike is really nice and well built, and if I was given the choice right now I'd choose the Experia over the Ribelle, but I'm not switching now and burning a lot of money in the process. The Experia looks like a fine built bike, and I'm sure the soon-to-be owners will have a blast on it I think.
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Motorcycle.com reviews the 2023 Energica Experia RS ADV tourer: https://www.motorcycle.com/features/2023-energica-experia-rs-review-first-ride.html
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Motorcycle.com reviews the 2023 Energica Experia RS ADV tourer: https://www.motorcycle.com/features/2023-energica-experia-rs-review-first-ride.html (https://www.motorcycle.com/features/2023-energica-experia-rs-review-first-ride.html)
"From what I was told by an Energica rep, the highway mileage is 130 miles at a steady 70 mph." Real numbers instead of that meaningless "extra urban" BS!
Sounds like it will make it between my houses (99.0 miles up and then downhill) with only home charging.
One of my first rides on it otherwise will be from Reno to Bridgeport, CA . 117 miles with places to charge on the way, in case I still get range anxiety. A new DC fast CCS charger is coming just south of Lake Topaz in the mickey-mouse town of Coleville (population is around 500), CA. I wonder if that will be completed before or after I get my new bike. Even if not, I can charge up in Minden, NV, 70 miles north of Bridgeport. The new CCS chargers there in Bridgeport have been reliable. I wonder if I will have enough time to enjoy the fish Taco at the Barn (https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g32110-d1815900-Reviews-The_Barn-Bridgeport_California.html) (best fish taco anywhere, IMO, and you only want one, they are large) before the bike is done charging. BTW, the chargers there are at the Shell Gas Station, (https://www.plugshare.com/location/191333) and they are NOT "Shell Recharge". These chargers were put in just before they bought out Greenlots and changed the name to "Shell Recharge". These chargers are "Electrify America" the same type as Wal*Marts. My least favorite because they don't use a card. They have to be activated by a Smartphone and I find that to be a hassle as I never keep mine on.
However, I am getting used to it, I had to recharge here twice (https://www.plugshare.com/location/186879)yesterday. Click on the photo and you will see my Energica.
-Don- Reno, NV
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I wonder when this flakey forum software will be fixed!
"From what I was told by an Energica rep, the highway mileage is 130 miles at a steady 70 mph."
Real numbers instead of that meaningless "extra urban" BS!
Sounds like it will make it between my houses (99.0 miles, half up and then downhill) with only home charging.
One of my first rides on it otherwise will be from Reno to Bridgeport, CA. 117 miles with places to charge on the way, in case I still get range anxiety. A new DC fast CCS charger is coming just south of Lake Topaz in the mickey-mouse town of Coleville (population is around 500), CA. I wonder if that will be completed before or after I get my new bike. Even if not, I can charge up in Minden, NV, 70 miles north of Bridgeport. The new CCS chargers there in Bridgeport have been reliable. I wonder if I will have enough time to enjoy the fish Taco at the Barn (https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g32110-d1815900-Reviews-The_Barn-Bridgeport_California.html) (best fish taco anywhere, IMO, and you only want one, they are large) before the bike is done charging. BTW, the chargers there are at the Shell Gas Station, and they are NOT "Shell Recharge". These chargers were put in just before they bought out Greenlots and changed the name to "Shell Recharge". These chargers are "Electrify America" the same type as Wal*Marts. My least favorite because they don't use a card. They have to be activated by a Smartphone and I find that to be a hassle as I never keep mine on.
However, I am getting used to it, I had to recharge here twice yesterday. (https://www.plugshare.com/location/186879)Click on the photo and you will see my Energica.
-Don- Reno, NV
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It's not the forum. It's your computer. We've been through this.
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It's not the forum. It's your computer. We've been through this.
All six of my computers and from many different connections and locations? I kinda doubt that!
Unless it only happens with my log-in, which still makes it a forum bug.
-Don- Reno, NV
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You are the only person who has this affliction. I'm sure it's a coincidence, though. Keep on truckin'!!
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You can use NFC off your phone to initiate the charge at EA stations I think. Same as Chargepoint.
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You can use NFC off your phone to initiate the charge at EA stations I think. Same as Chargepoint.
I will have to try that at the next EA. But the big hassle is simply turning my SmartPhone on as I always keep it off and it takes a while to boot up.
I think from now on, if I know my next stop will be an EA charge station, I will just leave it on until I get there.
I have plenty of cards for the other machines and that's the best way of them all, IMO. I keep a CP card with my bike keys and another in my wallet (as well has have several others) as CP is what I use the most these days. Such as at Cisco Grove, CA, about midway between my houses.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Here is another ride review of the new Energica Experia that contains some interesting closeup photos. But the prices mentioned made my eyes water. :o https://thepack.news/the-pack-tested-the-new-energica-experia-in-the-netherlands/
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Here is another ride review of the new Energica Experia that contains some interesting closeup photos. But the prices mentioned made my eyes water.
31,658.90 Euro =33,013.90 US Dollar
I wonder why it costs less in the USA than anywhere in Europe.
-Don- Reno, NV
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I'm not sure. I think Euro prices also include VAT and stuff whereas ours are before tax? The European MSRP was always higher than the US one.
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None of the press bikes have a center stand and the sales literature was skimpy on this feature 'cept for a photoshopped preview wondering if it can be confirmed this will be included on the production units?
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I'm not sure. I think Euro prices also include VAT and stuff whereas ours are before tax? The European MSRP was always higher than the US one.
When I bought the Ribelle all taxes were included in the list price. Only extra is the license plate fee (Around $100) and shipping to the dealer (Around $400). Both are dependant of the country you buy the bike in. I believe it's mandatory to list prices including mandatory taxes in Europe, and to add the 'inevetable costs of ownership' as a seperate cost on the invoice.
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When I bought the Ribelle all taxes were included in the list price. Only extra is the license plate fee (Around $100) and shipping to the dealer (Around $400). Both are dependant of the country you buy the bike in. I believe it's mandatory to list prices including mandatory taxes in Europe, and to add the 'inevetable costs of ownership' as a seperate cost on the invoice.
Here in the USA, the norm is quite the opposite. But that well explains the higher prices in Europe.
BTW, anybody here know about the windscreen on the Experica? Is it adjustable somehow? And if so, how is it done?
-Don- Reno, NV
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Manually actuated by means of cross bar above instrument display attached to screen guessing 2-position detent high/low...?
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From the reviews I've read, it's a three position adjustable screen.
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You can use NFC off your phone to initiate the charge at EA stations I think. Same as Chargepoint.
I will have to try that at the next EA. But the big hassle is simply turning my SmartPhone on as I always keep it off and it takes a while to boot up.
I think from now on, if I know my next stop will be an EA charge station, I will just leave it on until I get there.
I have plenty of cards for the other machines and that's the best way of them all, IMO. I keep a CP card with my bike keys and another in my wallet (as well has have several others) as CP is what I use the most these days. Such as at Cisco Grove, CA, about midway between my houses.
-Don- Reno, NV
There's a California law that went into effect a while ago, according to which all non-free publicly-accessible charging stations need to support payment via CC without need for any smartphone app, chip card, prior registration or any membership -- just like any gasoline pump. Holds for new DC chargers starting Jan. 1 this year, new AC chargers starting Jan. 2023 and all existing chargers starting 2033.
Have CC terminals not started showing up on public chargers yet?
https://calevip.org/sites/default/files/docs/calevip/California_EVCS_Regulations_Guide.pdf (https://calevip.org/sites/default/files/docs/calevip/California_EVCS_Regulations_Guide.pdf)
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They’re here, but they hardly ever work. The only chargers I can consistently get to work on the first try are EA chargers when I pay via the app before plugging in. I can’t recall a single time I’ve ever tried to pay via CC and had any DC charger successfully start.
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They’re here, but they hardly ever work. The only chargers I can consistently get to work on the first try are EA chargers when I pay via the app before plugging in. I can’t recall a single time I’ve ever tried to pay via CC and had any DC charger successfully start.
I hate those EA chargers because of that! The only one I need to turn on my Smartphone for, but I sometimes have no choice.
I had to use the EA chargers at the Fernley, NV Wal*Mart a couple of times in the last week. At least I can say those there are very reliable and work well, unlike the ones I tried to use at the Elk Grove, CA Wal*Mart. But I prefer to use the ones that use a card, such as Ev-Go, ChargePoint, Shell-Recharge, EV-Connect and perhaps all the others.
I think you recall the hassles I had getting them started in Placerville. Took about half of the time that I could have been charging.
Anyway, they now have a CC reader on the EAs at Fernley, NV. But I couldn't get it to work. Perhaps not yet connected. But I would rather pay more and just use a credit card than use my EA account. I hate such hassles. I normally keep my SmartPhone off and I realize that's the main problem. I only very rarely have a need to turn it on, but those stupid EA chargers are among those reasons. I don't know why they cannot use their own card, like everybody else. I don't mind carrying a dozen cards with me, at least I don't have to boot those up and need to see the screen in bright sunlight.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Yes the EA’s do take some fiddling if you’re not used to them. The first time I used one it took 30 to 45 mins to figure out the right steps to get it charging, but once I went through that, I’ve had fewer problems than with any other network.
Those Placerville chargers were also not in a good state of repair. That was the first time I couldn’t get an EA charger to work no matter what I did. I used to say that I’ve never failed to get an EA charger working, but I can’t say that anymore. It will probably become more common as their network ages, unfortunately.
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Yes the EA’s do take some fiddling if you’re not used to them. The first time I used one it took 30 to 45 mins to figure out the right steps to get it charging, but once I went through that, I’ve had fewer problems than with any other network.
Those Placerville chargers were also not in a good state of repair. That was the first time I couldn’t get an EA charger to work no matter what I did. I used to say that I’ve never failed to get an EA charger working, but I can’t say that anymore. It will probably become more common as their network ages, unfortunately.
I don't know why some work so much better than others. But the AE chargers at the Wal*Mart in Elk Grove were the worse I have seen. And the best was the AE Chargers at the Fenley Wal*mart (rated a ten on Plugshare).
But I just now checked Elk Grove. I think those have been repaired as nobody is now having trouble with those. It's been a couple of years since I tried there (and gave up after wasting an hour). To my surprise, that location is now also rated a ten. I will have to go back there one of these days and try one again.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Yes the EA’s do take some fiddling if you’re not used to them. The first time I used one it took 30 to 45 mins to figure out the right steps to get it charging, but once I went through that, I’ve had fewer problems than with any other network.
Those Placerville chargers were also not in a good state of repair. That was the first time I couldn’t get an EA charger to work no matter what I did. I used to say that I’ve never failed to get an EA charger working, but I can’t say that anymore. It will probably become more common as their network ages, unfortunately.
I don't know why some work so much better than others. But the AE chargers at the Wal*Mart in Elk Grove were the worse I have seen. And the best was the AE Chargers at the Fenley Wal*mart (rated a ten on Plugshare).
But I just now checked Elk Grove. I think those have been repaired as nobody is now having trouble with those. It's been a couple of years since I tried there (and gave up after wasting an hour). To my surprise, that location is now also rated a ten. I will have to go back there one of these days and try one again.
-Don- Reno, NV
I continue to wonder what the 500K charging stations (read that most would be DC fast chargers) that the U.S. government plans to install all over the country are going to be like and how well they will be maintained? ??? If they start failing a few years after they are built, I imagine the general public that is driving EVs and depends upon the charging facilities to power their vehicles during a trip (or because they live in an apartment and do not have access to an L2 outlet) is not going to be happy and will be raising a big stink about expensive government programs not working.
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I continue to wonder what the 500K charging stations (read that most would be DC fast chargers) that the U.S. government plans to install all over the country are going to be like and how well they will be maintained? ??? If they start failing a few years after they are built, I imagine the general public that is driving EVs and depends upon the charging facilities to power their vehicles during a trip (or because they live in an apartment and do not have access to an L2 outlet) is not going to be happy and will be raising a big stink about expensive government programs not working.
When do they start and what type of charge stations? CCS and J-1772? Zeros could use a lot more J-1772. CCS should now ONLY be put far away from the large cities. We don't need to see more of those on I-80 in CA, such as around Sacramento. I wish I could tell them where they are needed, even in CA. Places such as Lake Topaz, Susanville which now each has Tesla Superchargers ONLY. And also, somewhere south of Honey Lake, Quincy, Portola and countless other places, in CA.
I think when we have mostly EVs on the road, they will be much better maintained. And there should then be so many, if a few are broken it won't make a big difference.
Right now, it's to the point of EVs being useless in most of NV. The few fast charge stations we have outside the big cities are usually broken. Right now, the only CCS charger is out in Fallon. So go to the next charger at Silver Springs. All are broken there. If you cannot make it back to Fernley, or to Carson City, you will have to call a tow truck. I assume it has happened a few times in the last week for those who do not check Plugshare and don't have a long-range EV.
-Don- Reno, NV
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I continue to wonder what the 500K charging stations (read that most would be DC fast chargers) that the U.S. government plans to install all over the country are going to be like and how well they will be maintained? ??? If they start failing a few years after they are built, I imagine the general public that is driving EVs and depends upon the charging facilities to power their vehicles during a trip (or because they live in an apartment and do not have access to an L2 outlet) is not going to be happy and will be raising a big stink about expensive government programs not working.
If they're anything like the Caltrans chargers I've seen, the maintenance will be piss poor. Whenever I've used one, the charge was free and I still wanted my money back! It often took many tries to start the charge with no apparent rhyme or reason to the success or failure, and that was in the minority of cases that they worked at all. I'd rather pay a few bucks for a reliable charge than deal with that nonsense, so I avoid them at all costs.
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If they're anything like the Caltrans chargers I've seen, the maintenance will be piss poor.
I would be happy with "piss poor" on those. It has been non-existent, so "piss poor" would be a very big improvement!
BTW, where have you seen those besides the Donner Summit Rest Area? Of course, they have both been out of service for around a year. But they did work early last summer in 2021.
-Don- Reno, NV
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I used one along the I-5 coming back north from Long Beach. That one actually worked fine. There was a bank of 4 of them at a rest stop on the Grapevine that almost stranded me. I was down to 2% SoC after failing to get the nearby ChargePoint to work, it was midnight, and I was still over a hundred miles away from my destination. Would not have been the ideal time to call a tow truck! Each one of the first 3 that I tried would not work, my panic rising with each one, until the last one finally kicked on. I vowed never to use those things again after that.
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I used one along the I-5 coming back north from Long Beach. That one actually worked fine. There was a bank of 4 of them at a rest stop on the Grapevine that almost stranded me. I was down to 2% SoC after failing to get the nearby ChargePoint to work, it was midnight, and I was still over a hundred miles away from my destination. Would not have been the ideal time to call a tow truck! Each one of the first 3 that I tried would not work, my panic rising with each one, until the last one finally kicked on. I vowed never to use those things again after that.
The one at the Tejon Pass Rest Area? Plugshare says they are all down, but a check-in says one out of four is working, just as you said.
Didn't you know there was a CCS ChargePoint one mile from there at the Jack-In-The Box? One CCS and one J-1772. Both work. You can make it several miles even when the bike says you have 0 SOC left. No need for a tow truck, even if you couldn't get a charge there.
-Don- Reno, NV
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That’s the one! I couldn’t get the ChargePoint to start for the life of me, and I didn’t want to spend the time it would have taken for the L2 charge given that it was already so late. At the time I hadn’t heard the trick about leaning the bike in the direction that puts downward pressure on the handle, so that might have allowed me to start the charge.
I’ve never ridden to 0% SoC. I used to squeeze every last drop out of my Zero SR until I could only ride in the bike lane at 20 MPH, but when I got the SS9 it was December and 37 deg F, and it would put me into limp mode at SoCs as high as 18%, which was extremely dangerous on the fast-moving I-80. I also had it suddenly shut off at 8% SoC on a country road, also on a cold day. I’m sure I could ride to 0% now that it’s summer, but those experiences have made me very skittish about low SoC’s. Since it has DCFC, I’d rather just make a 5-minute stop if I’m not sure I can make it on one charge. With the Zero, any charging stop was such an ordeal that I would routinely use every last Joule to try to make the trip without stopping.
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That’s the one! I couldn’t get the ChargePoint to start for the life of me, and I didn’t want to spend the time it would have taken for the L2 charge given that it was already so late. At the time I hadn’t heard the trick about leaning the bike in the direction that puts downward pressure on the handle, so that might have allowed me to start the charge.
I’ve never ridden to 0% SoC. I used to squeeze every last drop out of my Zero SR until I could only ride in the bike lane at 20 MPH, but when I got the SS9 it was December and 37 deg F, and it would put me into limp mode at SoCs as high as 18%, which was extremely dangerous on the fast-moving I-80. I also had it suddenly shut off at 8% SoC on a country road, also on a cold day. I’m sure I could ride to 0% now that it’s summer, but those experiences have made me very skittish about low SoC’s. Since it has DCFC, I’d rather just make a 5-minute stop if I’m not sure I can make it on one charge. With the Zero, any charging stop was such an ordeal that I would routinely use every last Joule to try to make the trip without stopping.
I know some Chargepoits have recently been updated (such as Cisco Grove) and those work very well. But I have had trouble with the older ones also, even there. They even put in new machines there, even though the old ones have not been installed for all that long.
I have ridden my SS9 for a few miles below zero SOC with no issues at all. I recall the screen said something, but I forgot what. I was riding around slow near my Auburn house, but I cannot remember if it were in a limp mode or not. But that was in the summer.
-Don- Reno, NV