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Specter

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Experia for a ride
« on: October 13, 2025, 08:01:13 AM »

So I took the Experia for a ride today.  Ended up doing 241 miles overall,  mixed speeds, id say 60 was max, maybe touch 65 here and there, all the way down to 25 and 30 in some smaller towns,  mostly 50 - 55 mph.  Ended up getting 171 miles on her before I chickened out and said, that's it, i need to charge, and put her on the charger at 8 percent.

Nice fun ride, charger started at 76 amps and worked itself down to about 60 amps after ehh 15 minutes,  then after say 20 minutes, turned the battery yellow, and came down to 45 to 50 amp charging, which still was not too bad really.  Kind of surprised me as the Ribelle, even before i tweaked the software, it'd take a lot of warm yellow to start pulling down on the charge rate.

Another surprise was at about 16 percent regen all but went away until you came down to about 30 ish mph. then it'd kick in, but this oddity was noted on my way home where i already charged up, was running yellow from the charge then running like hell to get home on a near empty road on a sunday afternoon at 5 pm.  so am thinking heat might have had something to play with the regen as i was wot for a while.  Still seems odd that it'd kill regen when super low percent, as you'd think it'd want every watt it could scape up.  Even on slower backroads it'd severely curtail regen at low battery levels  Maybe i didn't notice it, but it'd be nice if they gave some sort of indication it was curtailed... was... surprising to lean into a curve, letting off the throttle, expecting to be pulled into the turn... and nothing.

Other than that, the bike handled really well, my ass got sore after a while, but that's just me im thinking, not a problem with the seat as it's pretty comfy actually.  There were a few quirks but that's entirely my issue, as the bike has a few loose wires after the accident that i have not had  the time... (drive/desire) to tear down the fairings to get to and fix.  Occasionally ill blip the position light fault, which is the front light, and that'll tag team the brake light error, however from observation, the brakes worked just fine light wise.

One other.... observation.  of course some of the Hardley Tards bitched and moaned about electric, acting like a 30 minute to recharge is the end of the world.  Well during the trip. we stopped 3 times... for them..... 2 of the stops had chargers at them. 

I did not charge then as I didn't want to slow the group down and had my plan for a later charge anyways with an escape plan if needed.  First time was 18 minutes,  Second time was 23 minutes, and 3rd time was 14 minutes.  Let's just say IF i charged, it would not have slowed the group done one friggin second.  It'd been no different than them gassing, pissing, and moaning, only i sip electric .vs. petrol. 

Then there is, well 174 miles is shitty range... Really?? at highway / near highway speeds?  How many miles do you get per tank of gas? ??  Then WHY did we have to stop 3 times then, TWICE was because of YOU !!  So these complaints of, well it takes too long to charge, are really bullshit, when you look at it from an overall standpoint.  Maybe if you were 25 years old, wanted to get from A to B fast, and could do back to back to back without stretching it'd slow you down, but any other normal situation, group situation .or well.. ill take a shot and say, those of us over 40... having that little 25 minute stretch every 100 miles is nice.  or even a 15 minute stretches every 50 miles, which is about an hours of riding.  is a game changer. 

15 minutes of charge mid capacity point, will get you about 30 percent battery regain.  so 2 or 3, maybe even 4, let's go 4, now you been riding 5 to 6 hours, it's time for lunch / dinner. which will take an hour.. the battery is pretty much topped off after that hour's charging or probably 85 percent, which is what we normally run on a trip anyways.

my point being, that argument is pretty weak,  YES you can only spend 10 minutes, pull in, get out, gas up, get on, go off. But how many do only that, and don't go in for a coke, a leak, take a smoke etc?  It's not really being truthful to just look at 'gas' time .vs. entire trip time... while you are in getting your coke, and all that shit, the bike is charging, you can't do that with a  gas bike, you won't turn the pump on for a bike and walk off.  If you wanted to be equally as deceptive you could say it saves time, as you CAN walk off while refueling .vs. not able with gas.

Anyways, just wanted to share that it was a pretty fun ride, comfortable, the bike handled very well, and this whole charging / range issue / it takes too long.... not totally true.  Be truthful, an electric vehicle is not taking that much longer if you plan your trip out, charge when you are already stopped for lunch or whatever.  Also, impressed with the range,  im estimating that if i kept a solid 60 mph id say that 25 percent gave me 35 miles or more of travel so you could probably pull 130 - 140  miles out of a full charge without wringing out the battery.  Again, that's 2 straight hours of riding.. yah... ill take the breaks. (and the sip up stops)  thank you.

Aaron
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Re: Experia for a ride
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2025, 08:54:46 AM »

All true....unfortunately where I live, charging stations are few and far between.... If I planned a trip to do say 400km in any direction from my home, I'd be struggling to find a charge station within riding distance/range. We have to plan carefully to do these things and often a stop overnight to charge from A/C is required due to lack of DC charge points.

I guess I'm lucky I use my Experia mainly for commuting to work and the occasional weekend run with riding friends....although we don't usually go far enough to for me to need a recharge...mostly just cafe hopping....~200km maximum... which the Experia will do without a problem.

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Re: Experia for a ride
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2025, 03:32:21 AM »

I have noticed a ton of quirks with my Experia compared to my SS9 but ill try not to deviate this post so much. A few thoughts:

One thing I found interesting is the yellow range on the SS9 is above 40C and the Experia is above 45C.

Regen is disabled on the SS9 at 48C, I wonder if it is on the Experia as well and that is what you were running into?

Another difference is that regen is disabled on the SS9 above 95% capacity and it is not disabled on the Experia at any stage of charge (that I have found).

I wholeheartedly agree with the range sentiment and comparisons you get from ICE riders. If you ask any of those guys how long they ride between planned stops, they tend to have no idea because they dont have to think about it. No matter the bike I am riding, I always prefer to stop every 1-1.5 hours if possible.
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Re: Experia for a ride
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2025, 07:39:56 AM »

When riding with ICE bikes, my charging times or range have never been the limiting factor. They talk so much shit and waste so much time. How does it take 5 guys 30mins just have a piss? Even if they’re in there wanking each other off they should be out quicker than that….or am I the odd one?

Hence why I only ride in solo or as a couple.

Smithy, my experience would be it’s only once you hit Charleville (8-9hrs out) that you run out of DCFC stations
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Re: Experia for a ride
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2025, 08:45:46 AM »

Smithy i find the same thing.  If you are in the cities, they are plentiful,  gas stations have them,  supermarkets have them, car dealers have them.  That's another thing to keep in mind, most all dealers now sell electric cars, so have a CCS1 there for their fleet etc.  In a jam, you might need to listen to a sales pitch but might be chargeable there :)

once you get into the boonies though, they are far and few between, some 30 to 40 miles apart.  I always bring my charge cord and pigtail pack with me, for extreme emergency so i can literally plug in anywhere there is electricity, i  even made a stinger so i can jack into a flourescent light socket to ground if needed ,to 'borrow' a light if needed.  Colleges and such have J plugs, which will give you 3kw ish per hour which is ehh 25 miles ish.  A good emergency top off to get to the next station if needed.

im finding that some of the charge companies, still won't work with energica, with any mod  anything using GE is shit, but i already knew that working with their shit for 40 years.  even the co branded won't work, so the pilot stations are out.

Every month new stations open up.  I like the plug share app however often find it's not updated often, and many times stations open up and are not put in.  or die and are not taken out!!  i have all the 'company' apps too, to turn on chargers, and to also find their stuff, so i can then add the new ones to plugshare, which i like best as an overall view of charging opportunities.


Dryer, the regen issue, id think that would keep it off all the time, not just for higher speeds.  one thing of note, there are things you can do that throw faults, you may not see the fault, it's more an engineering / technical thing, but it's there.  lighting up the triangle until you cycle power to clear it.  A good hard bump or pothole in a heavy regen situation, the sudden loss of load, then slamming back on, emer setting abs as it sees that as a traction problem, or aTC problem , stuff starts going wild, and that can trigger it to shut down regen or even the whole bike
ive had this on my ribelle too, hit a pothole or a really bumpy wash board like patch of road at 140 mph and you are hammering,it can shut you down if you are pumping power.  i think what happens is the crazy, in it's eyes out of control power / tourque vector swings, it says ok this is out of control, something is wrong, turn it off for now.  In a way while aggravating, do you really want to be slamming pot holes at those speeds, or wash board?  you start a tank slapper and you gonna have a bad day.  At those speeds the bike is very light in the front end to begin with, don't push that, it's doing what it is designed to, to keep you alive.  Remember, you are only supposed to be riding like that on closed circuits, where the pavement is smooth. it wasn't designed to handle rougher roads. so no fault of the bike in total honesty.
i had the experia pegged, running for a while. seen my triangle blip, but it was lit up anyways for another reason, so might have set it off then, didn't think of it until i went to slow down and then, oh wow, lost regen, hmm whats up.  everything works fine now but just found it odd that it only stopped working at higher speeds.

the disable above 95 is normal, ie there is nowhere to put the power it's making if battery is full, don't want to over volt and damage it so turn the regen off until you empty a little rooom to put it.  99 to 95 Experia won't totally disable it but will neuter it a bit until you get around 95, its there just much gentler.  most people won't notice because they are not running regen full max on.

yah, and stopping on the ride, riding an hour or so is tiring, and your brain starts to wander, tire, fagigue, its the same on the race track, later in the day, sometimes after only 3 laps, im finding myself making chain mistakes,  (one right after another in a row), then say, that's it, im done, mind is not with the ride, time to rest.  the brain needs to rest, along with the rest of the body, hunched up gets sore, constantly grabbing the throttle sore, legs sore... you need to stretch, and if you drank coffee to stay alert, you need to pee too.

grauteufel,  i was trying to be courteous this ride, it was the first time really putting miles in a row where i'd HAVE to charge, but yah, you are spot on, they piss around at every stop,  then 30 minutes later,  biker 4 can't start, so after them all like monkeys fucking a football in the zoo poke at his bike, figure out. ooh yer out of gas  tee hee. so there's another 10 wasted, but it's the electric bike that's the 'problem here'  ::)    a certain demographic of riders of certain demographic of bikes, are pretty simple creatures.  Their bike is the biggest, fastest, tallest, quickest, blabl  and yours sucks.  math is a head scratcher, thinking hurts, so you smile at them, bless their hearts and move on.

i don't blame you for not wanting to go on group rides, however must humbly add,  you are missing out on a lot of fun.  sometimes you just need to find the right group to ride with.  it can be difficult but, get a few like minded friends, you don't  need 30 pepople to ride.  3 or 4 can be just as much fun. 
The one thing that pisses me off the most is irresponsible ride captains,  if you can't watch out for your group, then you don't need to be leading the pack, put your fucking ego in park.  if people drop out or fall back, and you don't even know  they did, or know why, then come up with a comment like,oh he'll figure out where we are  tee hee, you are a piece of shit.  What if that man is on the side of the road and needs help urgently, but you are too busy posting selfies, Heyyy!!!  look at ME and MY ride and MY group in MY club etc etc.  Yah, you have to pick rides carefully and always make sure you got a partner and are looking out for each other.

it's going to take a while for electrics to catch on, and there is work to be done, like charging, for example.  it'd just go a lot easier if people could honestly approach the table and say here are the pros, here are the cons, now lets work on this, instead of always, it's awesome, it's shit, no in between ever, and always, it's my or the highway.

Aaron
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ElectricRebel

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Re: Experia for a ride
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2025, 05:03:26 PM »

Well Aaron, nice that you liked the Experia.
Would like to have one too I'm the future, but will take some time to save some money..😁😉

"even before i tweaked the software"
That made me curious...what did you do?🤔
Cheers
Jonas
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