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Energica / Re: Experia: blew a fuse, fuses on bike disagree with manual - who's right?
« on: January 21, 2025, 07:17:41 AM »
Well, I'll be damned. My bike is VIN #306 - toward the production run's end. I wonder if they changed the configuration later but didn't update the manual or if my bike just came out weird. I'll plan to update my accessory fuses later this week to match the manual and see if I can avoid busting more fuses. Thanks for sharing the photo!

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Energica / Re: Experia: blew a fuse, fuses on bike disagree with manual - who's right?
« on: January 20, 2025, 07:22:50 AM »
In the name of science, I've upgraded fuse 9 from 5A to 15A, and moved the heated vest to there. I moved my running lights to fuse 6, as it consistently draws <5A.

I do wish I knew what cables are supposed to be on fuse 7/8, as I'm adding the INNOVV ThirdEYE radar system which draws up to 3.5A.



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Energica / Experia: blew a fuse, fuses on bike disagree with manual - who's right?
« on: January 20, 2025, 06:58:43 AM »
Hey folks!

With the cold weather here, I blew a fuse with my heated gear wired into one of the accessory plugs. It was a 5A fuse. Here is how my Experia came configured from the factory:

30 | 10 | 10 | (VCU, Drive, ABS1)
25 | 10 | 5* | (ABS2, Dashboard, USB)
x | x | 5  | (AUX1-3)

The 5* fuse is the one I blew. Given that my heated gear can draw up to 7.2A, I'm not surprised. The missing fuses (x) don't bug me either, but it may explain why some of the random 12V cables I found (GPS 12V, Telecam 12V) don't seem to have a current.

Looking at the Experia manual however, it shows the fuse box key as:

30 | 10 | 10 | (VCU, Drive, ABS1)
25 | 10 | 15 |  (ABS2, Dashboard, USB)
5 | 10 | 15 | (AUX1-3)

I'm curious what other folks have on their Experia, and whether I'd be risking serious damage if I change my bike to match the manual. I'm guessing the 15A/5A swap was just an honest silly mistake.

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Energica / Re: Driving myself crazy trying to install Skene rear lights
« on: December 30, 2024, 09:25:08 AM »
All the accessory ports on the Experia (TE AMP and USB ports) appear to come alive while the bike is charging, even the socket I'm using for heated gear. I get the reasoning, but the use case of abusing them to power extra lights makes the feature a bit of a nuisance. I'll be curious to see what other folks do for extra lighting on this bike.

Other than that, I'm very happy with the outcome. It had no problems in the rain today; tomorrow, I'll give it a more comprehensive test over a 4-hour ride.

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Energica / Re: Driving myself crazy trying to install Skene rear lights
« on: December 29, 2024, 08:57:32 AM »
You know, that kind of makes sense.

In the end, I wired both the front and rear Skene lights into one of the TE AMP accessory cables up front. The 12V TELECAM & GPS cables didn't appear to be active. The only downside is that the bike now has bright orange & red flickering lights while the bike is charging, which is OK for now, but it might suck if charging at a campsite overnight.
 
If it becomes a problem, I'll add a switch to the 12V line.

Once I get the bike buttoned up, I'll post a Youtube video so you can see how absurdly conspicuous these lights are in their default configuration.


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Energica / Re: Driving myself crazy trying to install Skene rear lights
« on: December 28, 2024, 04:32:17 AM »
Small update:

I retapped the brake line farther up, near the JST JWPF connector, and it happily found the ground. The Skene P3 lights work great until I hold on to the brake lever for a few seconds, long enough for them to turn solid after flashing, and then they short out. I think @Demoni is right that they are drawing more amps than the bike will allow, which is not a problem on other bikes I've installed this kit onto.

My new plan is to try wiring 12V+Ground into one of the two free JST JWPF connectors up front near the fuse box, either GPS 12V or TELECAM 12V. If that fails, I'll use one of the TE AMP connectors.



@Specter - Thanks for the tip about the setting. I confirmed that it's off. It appears that at least one of the TE AMP connectors stays on while charging, separately from the lights.

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Energica / Re: Driving myself crazy trying to install Skene rear lights
« on: December 23, 2024, 07:01:26 AM »
Quote from: Demoni on December 22, 2024, 06:11:45 AM
It looks like the P3 comes with a controller circuit which accepts an external 12v source to provide power for the lights. There are 2 aux power connectors under the right fairing that you can use for this. The owners manual does a good job of showing how to access these. You will need a standard 2 pin TE amp connector to plug into the harness. You can use the brake/tail light wires as triggers for this unit.

Thank you for the detailed response!

I've hooked my front Skene lights + Warm & Safe Heated Gear connection via the TE amp connectors mentioned in the manual. The only quirk I've noticed is that the front Skene lights turn on while the bike is charging, which is somewhat annoying with their subtle "conspicuity" flicker. I have not yet tried swapping the TE connectors to see if both share the same behavior, but ideally I don't want to have the rear lights flickering while the bike charges.

I also noticed a couple of other unused connectors near the fuse, labeled 12V GPS and 12V Telesomething. Do you happen to know if these are powered up, and if so, what kind of connectors I might need to buy to use them? I haven't seen them mentioned elsewhere.


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Energica / Driving myself crazy trying to install Skene rear lights
« on: December 21, 2024, 06:28:39 AM »
I've been trying to install Skene P3 lights successfully on my Energica Experia for the last week. I'm not using the turn signal integration, so it should just be a straight 3-wire posi-tap to the brake light. I don't know of any wiring diagrams for the bike, so I just brute-forced my way into guessing which wires are which:



- 12V: Brake Light - White/Orange
- Brake Signal: Brake light - Yellow/Red
- Ground: Brake light - Black???

However, my Skene lights don't come on at all in that configuration. If I move the ground to the license plate light instead, the lights come on for a moment, and then error out with B1001 when the lights go to full brightness.

The same behavior also occurs if I move the 12V to the tail license plate light, so that my wiring looks like:
- 12V: License Plate Light - Brown
- Brake Signal: Brake light - Yellow/Red
- Ground: License Plate light -Blue

 I suspect I'm drawing too much current, but I have no idea what the current limits are that the Experia applies to each system either. I've not run into problems installing these on other (BMW) bikes so far. The tech specs for the P3 lights are:
  • Current draw: tail light 100 mA;  brake light 390 mA instantaneous, 150 mA continuous
  • Operating voltage: 9 - 16 VDC
  • Maximum allowed current: 3 amps for P3, 6 amps (3 per side left & right) for P3-TS (equivalent to 40 of our LED modules)
I'm kind of out of ideas here, other than running a wire from the front somewhere, maybe via the TE AMP Superseal connectors. Any tips or help are welcome!

 

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Energica / Re: 2025 Experia hand-guards - nowhere to thread?
« on: December 21, 2024, 06:10:41 AM »
Quote from: smithy on December 16, 2024, 01:39:47 AM

Ummm, your hand guards are upside down...you have the left on the right and the right on the left....The adjustable/sliding part of the hand guard should be at the top.

Smithy.
That is honestly pretty hilarious. Thanks for the tip!

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Energica / Re: 2025 Experia hand-guards - nowhere to thread?
« on: December 14, 2024, 05:55:08 PM »
After replacing the plastic handlebar caps with expanding wedges, I installed the MachineMotoArt ADVance hand-guards onto the Experia without a problem. I don't have any great photos as I've been riding with them covered up by Wunderlich Handlebar Muffs due to the winter weather, but they fit without an issue with the bolts they provided:



You can tell the bulk of the kit was designed with universal fitment in mind, as there is a lot of adjustment (and thus bulk) built-in to it. This particular kit allows for multiple levels of venting & coverage adjustment based on the weather. I look forward to using that wherever the summer heat rolls around.

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Energica / Re: 2025 Experia hand-guards - nowhere to thread?
« on: December 04, 2024, 08:06:15 AM »
Thanks! I've informed the vendor and ordered the aforementioned wedge bolts. I'll let y'all know how it works out.

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Energica / 2025 Experia hand-guards - nowhere to thread?
« on: December 02, 2024, 11:07:31 PM »
My 2025 Experia arrived, and it's been a hoot. The only thing missing are hand guards, which I've ordered from https://machineartmoto.com/products/advance-guard-energica-experia-kit-3-ee

Unfortunately, the kit comes with M6 bolts, which the 2025 Experia no longer seems to provide threads for within the handlebar. The plastic bar-end caps of my 2025 Experia are approximately ~16.5 in diameter and are held in by pressure. Example photo: https://photos.app.goo.gl/TmPsFfJ7ixvJiZcK9

Has anyone had luck installing a threaded wedge into Energica handlebars that you can install bar-ends into (necessary for this hand-guard kit)?  I feel like https://www.drivenracing.com/catalog/star-nut-wedges/product/expanding-wedge-sold-one might provide what I need, but I've not had to do this before.

Thanks in advance!Thomas

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Energica / Re: Because Why Not
« on: November 27, 2024, 08:54:13 AM »
I received my Experia today [VIN #306], and agree with everything @Specter said. Holy shit, this is a nice bike! Especially when you factor in the price I paid for it ($16k).



I rented a Ribelle over the summer and did not like it. Coming off a BMW CE 04 & R1150GS, the Ribelle felt like an unpredictable cheap hack. The Experia is my first non-BMW purchase in 20 years of riding. This bike is amaze-balls, with only minor quibbles to note so far:

- Regen in max mode feels non-linear. Like the Ribelle, but not like my CE 04. I've heard rumors that proper chain tension helps make it feel more predictable.
- I wish the compartment had enough space for a water bottle
- My top-case won't release from the plate; but it probably just need a rubber mallet to get it off the first time.

My initial range estimate is 165 - 175 miles for the sort of riding I do here in North Carolina, depending on how much highway is involved.

Anyways, the Experia is the best I've ever ridden. It reminds me of riding a Triumph Tiger 1050 than I had expected.

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Energica / Auxiliary lighting on the Experia - any tips?
« on: November 17, 2024, 08:37:07 AM »
My 2025 Experia arrives in a week and a half, so I'm looking into the lighting situation. Has anyone added auxiliary lights to their Energica? What kind did you go with, and where did you tap in?

I've really enjoyed the Skene lights for front & back visibility on my CE 04, and will likely go with those again. They don't improve your ability to see the road at night, however, so I may consider adding an extra set of lights on the crash bars. All recommendations & wiring tips welcome!

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Energica / Re: Bad News
« on: October 21, 2024, 01:53:24 AM »
Quote from: smithy on October 21, 2024, 01:13:39 AM

Anybody have an idea as to the highest VIN..?? Mine is a "Launch Edition" and only #29, so quite an early one.

I just ordered mine from Energica and the VIN in the invoice ends with 306. Not sure if that number is how many they manufactured in 2024 or an all-time total.



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