ElectricMotorcycleForum.com
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: DonTom on July 30, 2021, 09:01:15 PM
-
The short version is because of hassles from the HOA Nazis in a 22 year old area, I am selling one of my three houses. I would not sell it otherwise. The one I am selling is around 18 miles north of here. This one. (https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/20936-White-Rock-Dr_Reno_NV_89508_M29379-50749) The cheapest of the three and that house only has a two car garage. My other two each have a three car garage.
So now I have seven motorcycles at this house here, my main home here in Reno. And it's going to stay that way, seven motorcycles will be kept here in the garage, which leaves little room for any cages. I doubt I will buy another house, but that is a possibility (as long as it is NOT in an HOA!).
I decided I want to get rid of at least one of my ICE cars here, and replace it with a rather cheap BEV. It will never be garaged, it will be left outside all year. So used will be considered. It has to be battery only.
I really know nothing about non-Tesla EVs. I don't need a lot of range but I want it to have CCS/J-1772, no CHAdeMo. I already have Tesla Wall connectors, so I can use my Tesla-Taps for J-1772.
I know many in this forum have non-Tesla EV's cages, so I would like to hear what they like and don't like about theirs. I am trying to decide what battery only EV I should get.
-Don- Reno, NV
-
I have a 2020 Bolt in addition to my Model Y and Ribelle. Despite issues with the 2017-2019 Bolts, my 2020 has been trouble free (knock on wood) in the year+ I've owned it. I like it better for local and daily driving but then again, I prefer smaller cars in general...easier to zip around and park. Not to mention the amenities GM provides in the Premier version (360 degree camera, rear camera view in the rear view mirror, heated steering wheel, Apple CarPlay/Android Auto). From what I've seen, the redesigned 2022 Bolt now also offers a power driver seat, about the only thing I wish my 2020 Bolt had.
I've only DC charged my Bolt a couple of times (CCS like our Energicas) but 98%+ of my charging is at home unless I'm doing a road trip which is what my Tesla is primarily for. Even at work, I use Chargepoint J-1772 chargers since they're free.
GM has a history of routinely offering huge incentives on Bolts and I would imagine with the 2022 models due out very soon and the issues with the 60kw Bolts (2020 and newer Bolts have 66kw batteries), you can probably get a nice deal on a 2020 Bolt.
As for performance, it's a 200hp/266lb-ft motor and about a 6.5 sec 0-60 time...so... very zippy around town (if you replace the OEM tires which have poor grip).
-
I have a 2020 Bolt in addition to my Model Y and Ribelle. Despite issues with the 2017-2019 Bolts, my 2020 has been trouble free (knock on wood) in the year+ I've owned it. I like it better for local and daily driving but then again, I prefer smaller cars in general...easier to zip around and park. Not to mention the amenities GM provides in the Premier version (360 degree camera, rear camera view in the rear view mirror, heated steering wheel, Apple CarPlay/Android Auto). From what I've seen, the redesigned 2022 Bolt now also offers a power driver seat, about the only thing I wish my 2020 Bolt had.
I've only DC charged my Bolt a couple of times (CCS like our Energicas) but 98%+ of my charging is at home unless I'm doing a road trip which is what my Tesla is primarily for. Even at work, I use Chargepoint J-1772 chargers since they're free.
GM has a history of routinely offering huge incentives on Bolts and I would imagine with the 2022 models due out very soon and the issues with the 60kw Bolts (2020 and newer Bolts have 66kw batteries), you can probably get a nice deal on a 2020 Bolt.
As for performance, it's a 200hp/266lb-ft motor and about a 6.5 sec 0-60 time...so... very zippy around town (if you replace the OEM tires which have poor grip).
What problems did the 2017-2019 Bolts have?
And can I buy a Bolt (or any other non-Tesla EV) that is AWD, motor front and rear, like my Tesla M3 (AWD, LR)? That should be helpful when it snows here in Reno.
I can consider another Tesla, but I don't want too good of a car that will never be garaged. But I too would like a smaller car for the Reno area. It only needs enough range to go one way to Auburn (99.0 miles). That is for when the motorcycle season is over, but the car will mainly be here in Reno and my Tesla will mainly stay in Auburn.
I will probably never even use the CCS with the car I am going to get, so just J-1772 would be good enough, but I doubt that make any BEVs like that these days.
-Don- Reno, NV
-
Your home looks nice and is really selling for a low price, Don. In 2018 My daughter bought the home that she was renting, which is located in the town of Fairfax in Marin County. It is a 3 bed, 2 bath home built 60 years ago and was a fixer-upper that they have been repairing since it was purchased. ($80K to repair the foundation and $50K for a new roof.) When Zero recalled her 2012 S and gave her $6K+ for the bike the entire amount went toward the loan fees. What you want for your home is what she paid for her home's down-payment. :o The cost of motorcycles seem pretty reasonable, compared with the price of real estate. ;)
-
What problems did the 2017-2019 Bolts have?
And can I buy a Bolt (or any other non-Tesla EV) that is AWD, motor front and rear, like my Tesla M3 (AWD, LR)? That should be helpful when it snows here in Reno.
2017-2019 Chevy Bolts have been going through a series of recalls and occasional buybacks due to battery pack fires. All of those Bolts use a 60kw battery pack. From 2020 onward, the Bolt uses a different 66kw battery pack that so far hasn't exhibited the same issues as with the 60kw battery pack. Even with the recall, the actual number of Bolts that have caught fire is relatively low.
All Bolts are FWD only. No AWD option is currently available. Oh, and the EPA rated range on the 2020 and newer Bolts is 259 miles.
-
What's the HOA issue? I'm more interested in that ^-^
Bolts are very competent EVs, especially for their price. Just avoid the ones with the foreign batteries. Kia had to replace all their batteries, and so will GM. Kia has a good option, but they're harder to find and not as deeply discounted. Leafs are fine, as long as you don't want to be using them for long trips - or rare trips that need more than one DC charge per day.
-Crissa
-
Your home looks nice and is really selling for a low price, Don. In 2018 My daughter bought the home that she was renting, which is located in the town of Fairfax in Marin County. It is a 3 bed, 2 bath home built 60 years ago and was a fixer-upper that they have been repairing since it was purchased. ($80K to repair the foundation and $50K for a new roof.) When Zero recalled her 2012 S and gave her $6K+ for the bike the entire amount went toward the loan fees. What you want for your home is what she paid for her home's down-payment. :o The cost of motorcycles seem pretty reasonable, compared with the price of real estate. ;)
You really cannot even get a good guess from the asking price. Many tricks are played. For one example, in your area, homes are usually VERY hot. They ask a LOW asking price. Yeah, low. The idea is to get many people to look and to bid, well knowing they will go well over the asking price. In reality, in a hot area, the for sale sign should say "for sale, only two cents!" And then expect it to sell at the usual 1.5 million or so in the SF area. No doubt you also get those cards in the mail that says "asking price was $750,000, but we sold it for more than a million!!!". That probably really means they sold it for LESS than they expected.
This world runs on BS and real estate is no exception.
I will know what it is worth when it sells. The market here has been hot, but I think it's now cooling off. Most houses here sell in the springtime.
BTW, I am in the house I am selling right now. It's being sold with 90% of the stuff left inside, many thousands of dollars worth, fully furnished and much more. Also a lot of worthless junk mixed in.
BTW, the decision to sell this house was made 20 seconds after I received a note from the HOA.
I first went to a realtor website and posted all the info they wanted about this house. Less than five seconds after I summit it, my phone rings with Dan The Realtor who put this house up for sale. He decided what the asking price should be, but with my okay.
I really don't know what to do with a spare several hundred thousand bucks more, other than pay a lot of capital gains tax. I had no intension of selling before that.
-Don- Cold Springs Valley, NV
-
You occupying one less home is one more home on the market for some kid entering the market.
-Crissa
-
What's the HOA issue? I'm more interested in that ^-^
Bolts are very competent EVs, especially for their price. Just avoid the ones with the foreign batteries. Kia had to replace all their batteries, and so will GM. Kia has a good option, but they're harder to find and not as deeply discounted. Leafs are fine, as long as you don't want to be using them for long trips - or rare trips that need more than one DC charge per day.
-Crissa
It all started with an HOA violation from the lawn dying and the irrigation system here needs parts that are NLA. I don't like to use such systems anyway, because of their very poor design with water pressure on them at all times, even when not being used (except in winter when the water is all the way off).
So I ask the HOA if I can install artificial grass. Just to ask them, it costs $35.00. They reply several weeks later just to ask me whet type of fake grass will be used. In the mean time, I get an estimate for the small lawn here (1,350SF). $14,750.00! And that was with the cheap stuff.
I felt that was a bit much, so I ask them if I can convert to rock. The same type of rock other houses around here were purchased with when new. The HOA then askes me for several pages of info., naming the species and size of every plant around or within the rocks as the very first item of the several pages of info they requested. Needed to be professionally done, of course.
So I decided I don't like being told what I can and cannot do with my own house. They make it VERY difficult to change anything in this 22 year old area. The dumpiest, cheapest oldest house of my three by far, but with the most strict HOA.
Of course, I could have had the irrigation system completely rebuilt, but I do not trust them. Here the water PSI is well over 120 and there is no way for me to adjust it.
At my Auburn house, I wired in a water valve so there is only water pressure when the system is actually on. It was handy to live next door to a plumber. I ran wires from relays from the control box to open the water valve only when the system is trying to water something. The way they all should be designed.
One time when I was in SSF, the anti-Siphon valve at this house broke. That was in the middle of August around ten years ago. It flooded the entire neighborhood before somebody finally figured out how to turn the water off.
-Don- Cold Springs Valley, NV
-
That's how my system works; it drains to the stair garden when it's done watering everything. That lets me have a little lush island down by the car.
Man, that's a terrible HOA.
-Crissa
-
It sounds like you have the real estate game figured out, Don. ;) But I have to agree that your HOA seems to have a swelled head that is about to explode. ::) There is enough bureaucracy in the country without having to deal with another self-important regulatory layer. :(
-
That's how my system works;
Are you saying it has NO water pressure in the pipes at all, when nothing is being watered? If you break the pipe at the anti-siphon valve, no water?
All home irrigation systems I have seen have the FULL water pressure 24/7, except in winter when the water is turned off via the manual water pipe valve. Industrial ones are often designed better. And that is how my Auburn house is. But I had to design it myself.
It can leak for 20 minutes per day, which is a lot better than non-stop as are all other home irrigation systems I have seen.
-Don- Reno, NV
-
You occupying one less home is one more home on the market for some kid entering the market.
-Crissa
But somebody else with ten motorcycles could need it too! :)
-Don- Reno, NV
-
Are you saying it has NO water pressure in the pipes at all, when nothing is being watered? If you break the pipe at the anti-siphon valve, no water?
Well, the anti-siphon is pressurized, because I put it above the branch instead of below so I could use a single anti-siphon at each house spout.
It goes:
Valve -> Antisiphon -> Branch (spigot, hose, hose, irrigation timer)
Irrigation is a pipe that leads vertically on the hill that pressurizes only while watering, with a branch at each level cross-hill (about 8' in elevation) from the roof, back garden, patio, first tier, second, bottom... And then the last. Each branch has its own pressure regulator and valve for when we plant stuff there. When the irrigation timer shuts off, all the irrigation pipes drain to the bottom most tier, emptying the system. (and watering what would be the driest point in the summer)
I could put antisiphons on each of the pipes, but I just use one. I guess it would solve the problem of the metal antisiphons coughing water sometimes, but that's what, another $60 of brass to save a few ounces of water a day?
-Crissa
-
Well, the anti-siphon is pressurized,
And there is the poor design issue. Water pressure to that valve 24/7, unlike my home in Auburn where if only has pressure when something is being watered. But my 24VAC water solenoid is at the very beginning of the irrigation system. I do not mind going on a long RV trip with that system, but I had to design it myself, using one of these (https://www.electricsolenoidvalves.com/1-24-vac-electric-brass-solenoid-valve/?gclid=CjwKCAjwxo6IBhBKEiwAXSYBs18FKwRjJhpcn5ECvQA3C7xLtZ0yHxjdB7MqNYb5SrVEvlLR_g51SBoCriMQAvD_BwE) at the very start of the irrigation system.
-Don- Reno, NV
-
Leafs are fine, as long as you don't want to be using them for long trips - or rare trips that need more than one DC charge per day.-Crissa
I doubt if I will ever need to charge on the road. So perhaps I should also look into the Leaf.
So now I need to ask . . . . What are the advantages and disadvantages between the Leaf and Bolt?
Are there any besides Tesla that are AWD? This car will be mostly for Reno and we can get a lot of snow some years. And it will always be left outside.
But I do want enough range to easily make it between Auburn and Reno, only one way, but in either direction. And I mean when it is very COLD outside, such as up at the summit during the middle of winter.
But that is only 99.0 miles, door to door, half up hill, half down hill. I have measured the distance countless times when I got there direct with no stops off the freeway (I-80).
-Don- Reno, NV
-
The Leaf still has an air-cooled battery. That's why it doesn't like being charged more than one DC fast charge in a day. You can get them really cheap, even with pristine batteries.
The Bolt is super-competent, and cheaper than the Tesla. That's its big advantage, you don't quite get the range, your charging is a little slower, but not by much. And you can DC Fast charge as often as you want.
The Niro is like the Bolt, just not as available or discounted right now. And the other options are as or more than a Tesla, and you'd probably just rather a Tesla at that point.
I have friends with all of the above. The Leaf is the pick for anyone who doesn't do long road trips, the Bolt is the budget pick for those who can't afford Tesla.
-Crissa
PS, that valve costs more than my entire spigot configuration x-x This is basically my control for the water (plus a super-cheap digital meter) https://www.acehardware.com/departments/lawn-and-garden/watering-and-irrigation/sprinkler-timers/7436744
I had a daily timer, but the circuit board rusted over.
-
The Leaf still has an air-cooled battery. That's why it doesn't like being charged more than one DC fast charge in a day. You can get them really cheap, even with pristine batteries.
The Bolt is super-competent, and cheaper than the Tesla. That's its big advantage, you don't quite get the range, your charging is a little slower, but not by much. And you can DC Fast charge as often as you want.
The Niro is like the Bolt, just not as available or discounted right now. And the other options are as or more than a Tesla, and you'd probably just rather a Tesla at that point.
I have friends with all of the above. The Leaf is the pick for anyone who doesn't do long road trips, the Bolt is the budget pick for those who can't afford Tesla.
-Crissa
PS, that valve costs more than my entire spigot configuration x-x This is basically my control for the water (plus a super-cheap digital meter) https://www.acehardware.com/departments/lawn-and-garden/watering-and-irrigation/sprinkler-timers/7436744 (https://www.acehardware.com/departments/lawn-and-garden/watering-and-irrigation/sprinkler-timers/7436744)
I had a daily timer, but the circuit board rusted over.
Thanks for that info. Isn't the Leaf CHAdeMo? How do you home charge with a vehicle that has CHAdeMo? I really know nothing about ChAdeMO.
In my case, it all has nothing to do with what I can afford. I just don't want to leave an expensive car parked outside all year. I keep my 2018 Tesla garaged in Auburn. BTW, it only has around 6K miles on it. I rarely even drive the thing. I put more miles on my Zero DS!
Shadow and I purchased our Teslas at the same time. His has around 100K miles on it and it looks like a piece of junk. Always parked outside in the desert. OTOH, mine still looks like new, but only 6K miles. But perhaps his would look nice still, if he could clean it. Which would last about an hour before it needs cleaning again. :)
Yeah, I thought the water timer. Cheaper and a lot easier. No extra wires need to be ran. No extra 24 VAC power supply. But with my setup, if I change the watering times, that is all I have to do. The rest is automatic.
-Don- Reno, NV
-
Thanks for that info. Isn't the Leaf CHAdeMo? How do you home charge with a vehicle that has CHAdeMo? I really know nothing about ChAdeMO.
It just has a second charge port next to the chademo, Type2 in Europe, Type1 in US, so you charge it from AC as usual.
-
2020 and newer Leafs can have CCS charging from the factory.
-Crissa
-
I know many in this forum have non-Tesla EV's cages, so I would like to hear what they like and don't like about theirs. I am trying to decide what battery only EV I should get.
Around the time I bought my used 2014 Zero S, I also bought a 2016 Kia Soul EV for my daughter. My wife and I figured a limited range BEV would be good first car and it has been. It is a little quirky but surprisingly good. It does have CHAdeMO but we've always just used the level 2 J1772 plug. Kia warrantees the HV battery for 7 yrs/100k miles @70% and they did replace ours. I originally test drove the Nissan Leaf, Kia Soul EV, and VW e-Golf (all used) and liked the e-Golf the best but got a good deal on the Kia.
For our other daughter, I was looking for another BEV under $15k since this would be her first car as well. I was considering BMW i3, Mercedes B250e, and VW e-Golf. We ended up buying a 2016 e-Golf SEL for her and I really like it. It is fun to drive. The SEL has J1772 and CCS charging. I think the battery is near replacement (8 years/100k miles) so I am monitoring it. I recommend buying a used BEV from an authorized dealer as a CPO vehicle and monitoring battery degradation. Most manufacturers will honor the warrantee without too much hassle but it's reassuring to have the certification.
https://www.motor1.com/features/365927/buy-used-nissan-leaf-or-volkswagen-egolf/
This guy has an e-Golf and Tesla.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3DDubdEH8o&t=307s
The older Soul EV or e-Golf might be below the range you are looking at. A BMW i3 with Range Extender or 2017+ e-Golf would probably be fine.
Bass Cadet
-
The i3 has... maintenance/warranty issues. When they're working, though, they're a lovely car.
-Crissa
-
My Bolt has been fun for the past 2 years, although it had the battery replaced 3 months after I got it, and it looks like it's going to be replaced AGAIN this year along with 50,000 others from model years 2017-2019. Last year I was also stranded in Santa Barbara when the 12v accessory battery went bad. But it's a blast to drive.
People have been getting them very cheap for various reasons including GM incentives and a Costco program.
https://www.motorbiscuit.com/chevy-bolt-leases-down-to-49-a-month-cheapest-car-ever/
Mine was more costly because I got the Premier trim with CCS charging and everything else.
There is a nice forum for the vehicle at https://www.chevybolt.org/ and there are threads where people see who got it the cheapest.
Unfortunately, GM's federal tax credit expired last year, so no help there.
-
I think it will be difficult to find an EV with AWD that is not priced closely to a Model 3 AWD?
The Nissan Leaf, BMW i3, Renault Zoe, Chevy Bolt are all 2WD.
The VW ID3/4 is in Model 3 territory when they are 4WD (as far as I remember).
-
I think it will be difficult to find an EV with AWD that is not priced closely to a Model 3 AWD?
The Nissan Leaf, BMW i3, Renault Zoe, Chevy Bolt are all 2WD.
The VW ID3/4 is in Model 3 territory when they are 4WD (as far as I remember).
In that case, I could consider a used Tesla M3 AWD or Model Y AWD. I really should have AWD for the Reno area. But I don't want to leave too expensive of a car outside all year here.
-Don- Reno, NV
-
Why don't you just use that Model 3 AWD you already have?
Sorry if I missed something? :o
-
Why don't you just use that Model 3 AWD you already have?
Sorry if I missed something? :o
Was this about 2 different locations where you want a car parked outside in one of them?
-
Why don't you just use that Model 3 AWD you already have?
Sorry if I missed something? :o
Was this about 2 different locations where you want a car parked outside in one of them?
I normally keep my Tesla garaged 99 miles /160 km away in Auburn, CA and come back to Reno, NV on an electric motorcycle (either Energica or Zero SR). That means I have no electric car when I am here in Reno. I usually use my Zero DS here, but there are many times I need to take a car for one reason or another while in this area.
-Don- Cold Springs Valley, NV
-
My vote is for a cheap used Bolt. Sucks that the only non-Tesla AWD EV cars are the Mach-E, id.4, ioniq 5, and ev6, and they're not even out yet. I bet all those cars will be around the same price as a Tesla equivalent.
-
My vote is for a cheap used Bolt. Sucks that the only non-Tesla AWD EV cars are the Mach-E, id.4, ioniq 5, and ev6, and they're not even out yet. I bet all those cars will be around the same price as a Tesla equivalent.
I hear FWD cars do well in the snow, especially if they have some weight above the front wheels. So I will probably look for a "cheap used Bolt" as you say.
Any years I should avoid or any known issues I should look out for?
-Don- Cold Springs Valley, NV
-
I know from Twitter (an interesting place to follow Tesla) that many many bolts have been called to dealerships for some update or fix?
There had been a few fires while charging, so, until it's fixed, people were advised to not charge to 100% and avoid direct sunligth... (last one was a joke) 8)
I would make sure that recall was already done so you didn't have to bother with it.
We don't have the bolt in EU so I don't know the car at all. Maybe the EU version was the Opel Ampera which have never been introduced in Denmark.
-
I know from Twitter (an interesting place to follow Tesla) that many many bolts have been called to dealerships for some update or fix?
There had been a few fires while charging, so, until it's fixed, people were advised to not charge to 100% and avoid direct sunligth... (last one was a joke) 8)
I would make sure that recall was already done so you didn't have to bother with it.
We don't have the bolt in EU so I don't know the car at all. Maybe the EU version was the Opel Ampera which have never been introduced in Denmark.
I read somewhere recently that GM was replacing the entire battery pack in the early models of Bolts. Something about using an Asian-brand pack that wasn't working out for them - or their customers, who didn't want to be barbecued along with their vehicles. :o
It appears that for some manufacturers transitioning to all-electric power is not proving to be an easy or inexpensive road to travel. :(
-
It appears that for some manufacturers transitioning to all-electric power is not proving to be an easy or inexpensive road to travel. :(
For sure. I can see why Japan's auto makers have been buying time with their PHEVs, best to let the tech mature before making a big entrance.
-
Any years I should avoid or any known issues I should look out for?
-Don- Cold Springs Valley, NV
I would look for a used 2020 if any can be found. The first year GM switched to the 66kw battery instead of the 60kw battery used in the 2017-2019 models. I would say, the new 2022 Bolt EU as well but you would need to buy that one brand new.
-
Looks like you could potentially get a 2022 LEAF for less than $20k: https://electrek.co/2021/08/03/nissan-slashes-2022-leaf-price-below-30k-now-the-cheapest-ev-available-in-the-us/
-
I can't imagine needing more than front wheel drive in Reno.
-Crissa
-
I agree with the LEAF if it's that cheap!
One of the downsides of the leaf is that the battery is aircooled. But since you probably won't be doing long roadtrips in it and do several fastcharges in a row it won't matter. You have the Model 3 for that :)
-
Or, you know, motorcycle.
-Crissa
-
I can't imagine needing more than front wheel drive in Reno.
-Crissa
Even many 4WD vehicles have been stuck overnight in snow here in Reno in past years. We can get really deep snow here once in a while where all traffic is stuck on some roads. And no chance for a tow truck to make it either.
Fortunately, that doesn't happen often and those are good days to stay home--and pray the electricity doesn't go out.
But if possible, I will be at my Auburn house before those types of storms get here.
This happened even before I was born, but on January 17, 1916, 22.5-inches of snow fell over Reno in a time period of just 12 hours and 40 minutes.
That can give an idea how bad it can get here. Fortunately, that's not very often. But then cars will not get far, even if 4WD, at a lot less snow than that.
-Don- Reno, NV
-
Sometime during the late 1970's or early 1980's it hit 19 degrees F at my home in Pacifica for three days in a row. I hope that never happens again, and with global warming I bet it never will. The three jade plants in my front yard planter froze solid and when it finally warmed up, they collapsed and looked like they had been run over by a steam roller. Poor things. :'(
-
If there's two feet of snow in twelve hours, you shouldn't be out in it, four wheel drive or not.
Front wheel drive is fine on pack snow, tho.
-Crissa
-
If there's two feet of snow in twelve hours, you shouldn't be out in it, four wheel drive or not.
Front wheel drive is fine on pack snow, tho.
-Crissa
Yeah, my junky old Saturn is FWD and does fine in the snow. But the engine being right above the front wheels help a lot too.
Where is the most weight in the FWD EVs?
Sometimes snow comes here with little warning. The day I purchased my Moto Guzzi Stelvio here in Reno it looked like a fairly nice day. No snow when I left the shop. In the six miles back it was HEAVEY snow. It was a miracle that I didn't dump the brand new bike. I saw a few car accidents caused by this snow on the way home.
When I got to this house, the snow was too deep to get the new bike into the garage! But I got a local buddy to help me with it and somehow finally two of us was able to walk it into the garage with the help of a snow shovel.
One of my scariest rides. For a motorcycle, the Moto Guzzi does great in the snow! At least it got me here safely!
-Don- Reno, NV
-
Most EV's, heavy as they are, they will do at least as good in snow as a car with engine on top of FWD.
FWD tend to understeer and RWD tend to oversteer. I belive it's easier to "feel it coming" and control it with FWD.
When thinking of it... Doesn't the Leaf have the engine (and all parts) scooped quite high up the like a regular ICE? It doesn't have a frunk of any kind.
-
Weight in EVs is in the middle.
Should be fine for on snow.
-Crissa
-
Weight in EVs is in the middle.
Should be fine for on snow.
-Crissa
Actually weight in the middle and front wheel drive is rather poor for getting up hills those days snow is piling up faster than road salt can melt it.
On most roads this is not an issue, but i have experienced this being an issue with my '17 Ioniq EV, which otherwise is very safe during winter due to that weight distribution. Rear wheel drive is ofc more difficult and dangerous to drive (when traction control is off), but will get you further up hills if you have the skill.
Other than that the Ioniq EV from 2016-19 are the poor mans Tesla- in those years they were class leading in range per charging minute (2.5C charging), and very low drag. So if you pay for electricity, it is likely the cheapest option. Newer Ionic EVs charge slower but has a bigger battery. Leafs from 2017-19 does not have battery cooling/warming as the ioniq has (forced air).
If i were to buy a new EV now, i would look at something with rear wheel drive. The only thing that reallt bothers me with the ioniq is that ive had it in for a warranty repair on AC two times w/o any luck. But that happened to my previous car as well (civic hybrid)..
-
Yes, you shouldn't be driving when snow is piling up faster than it!s being removed.
The number of drive axles is irrelevant.
-Crissa
-
My Cold Springs Valley house is now in Escrow and I will have a few hundred thousand bucks in a few weeks. It sold for 350K$.
Anyway, I discovered there will be a 2021 AWD EV, the Ford Mustang EV! (https://www.truecar.com/ford/mustang-mach-e/?&srcID=google&cmID=+&crid=%7c538188163597&mobile=&device=c&aceid=&adpos=&random=5956441655797833417&keyword=&matchtype=b&content=&search=1&network=g&target=&placement=&utm_medium=ppc&utm_source=google&utm_term=&utm_campaign=+&devicemodel=¶m1=¶m2=&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI8cC1kaqp8gIVHR-tBh2HZQfuEAAYAiAAEgKb8_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds) Sounds nice. That could be my next car, new, 2021, even if I need to leave it outside, ungaraged.
Is there any reason I should not consider the Ford Mustang AWD EV?
Or at that price, would it make more sense for me to get another AWD Tesla, perhaps a Model Y?
-Don- Reno, NV
-
Is there any reason I should not consider the Ford Mustang AWD EV?
Well, in that they've already sold 50k but only delivered half that this year. If you can actually find one someone wants to sell, sure.
Their software and support is not great, but not BMW bad this year. Mostly Ford dealers aren't ready for it yet. There's also a recall for overheating while on long downhill grades you have to make sure is applied.
-Crissa
-
I reserved an F-150 Lighting minutes after they made them available. I hope they get those software issues resolved by the time I get my Lightning.
-
There's also a recall for overheating while on long downhill grades you have to make sure is applied.
Overheating going downhill? Caused by regen or what?
-Don- Reno, NV
-
There's also a recall for overheating while on long downhill grades you have to make sure is applied.
Overheating going downhill? Caused by regen or what?
https://insideevs.com/news/520468/ford-mustang-mache-overheating-regen/
Yep. May be a software issue.
-Crissa
-
Yep. May be a software issue.
Hopefully, they have that issue fixed by the time I buy one--if I do. 50% of my drive to Auburn from here is all downhill.
I get the feeling the Mustang EV is difficult to buy here in Reno at this time. I already asked on-line (on chat) for CC and Reno.
Perhaps I will have better luck in CA, where I have not yet checked.
-Don- Reno, NV
-
Speaking of heat, I just heard on the news that it has become very hot again in Oregon and Washington, with temperatures around 100 degrees F and will be hotter tomorrow. Not a good time to go downhill in your Ford Mustang EV. ;)
-
Speaking of heat, I just heard on the news that it has become very hot again in Oregon and Washington, with temperatures around 100 degrees F and will be hotter tomorrow. Not a good time to go downhill in your Ford Mustang EV. ;)
Can the regen be lowered or turned off?
99% of the time, I keep my Tesla M3 on "mild" regen. Often, it's not low enough. Only has two settings and cannot be turned off.
Perhaps a FW update someday will give more choices, I hope.
-Don- Reno, NV
-
My Cold Springs Valley house is now in Escrow and I will have a few hundred thousand bucks in a few weeks. It sold for 350K$.
Anyway, I discovered there will be a 2021 AWD EV, the Ford Mustang EV! (https://www.truecar.com/ford/mustang-mach-e/?&srcID=google&cmID=+&crid=%7c538188163597&mobile=&device=c&aceid=&adpos=&random=5956441655797833417&keyword=&matchtype=b&content=&search=1&network=g&target=&placement=&utm_medium=ppc&utm_source=google&utm_term=&utm_campaign=+&devicemodel=¶m1=¶m2=&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI8cC1kaqp8gIVHR-tBh2HZQfuEAAYAiAAEgKb8_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds) Sounds nice. That could be my next car, new, 2021, even if I need to leave it outside, ungaraged.
Is there any reason I should not consider the Ford Mustang AWD EV?
Or at that price, would it make more sense for me to get another AWD Tesla, perhaps a Model Y?
-Don- Reno, NV
I had a deposit down on a Mach-E but once I found out it was going to use CCS for fast charging, I cancelled and switched to a Model Y since it was going to be my long road trip EV.
Since the Mustang Mach-E and Model Y are comparable in both specs and price, it really comes down to whether or not you plan on ever using the Mach-E for long road trips. If it's going to be local only, then either one will be fine. If you are going to use it for occasional road trips then the Tesla Supercharger network still can't be beat and is a huge differentiator.
The Mach-E still qualifies for Federal rebates I believe but you might want to double check since I think there may be new rules that kill the rebate if your income is too high.
You may also want to watch this video about one owner's Mach-E buying experience: https://youtu.be/sDMc9q2QQ4k
Since you still purchase Mach-E's via a traditional dealership, your buying experience may vary greatly.
-
I had a deposit down on a Mach-E but once I found out it was going to use CCS for fast charging, I cancelled and switched to a Model Y since it was going to be my long road trip EV.
What do you have against CCS? Do you drive in area where they have no CCS? My biggest complaint about CCS is when the chargers crap out, nobody fixes them. The two CCS chargers at Silver Springs, NV have been out for more than six months. In fact, I am not sure if they ever worked. They have only been installed for about six months.
The same issue with the one on the I-80 Donner Rest Stop, east bound. It's been out for months.
And the ones you and I tried to use at the Wal*Mart in Elk Grove are also flakey, but I hear they now work with a phone call.
The Mach-E still qualifies for Federal rebates I believe but you might want to double check since I think there may be new rules that kill the rebate if your income is too high.
That's a bummer! I could use that tax break, but I see here (https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/08/senate-votes-to-restrict-ev-tax-credits-despite-climate-crisis/) my retirement income is too high, I cannot get a cent of that tax credit. But I won't go broke over it and that will not effect my decision to buy another EV.
-Don- Reno, NV
-
I have nothing against CCS per se...just that when I'm on a long road trip, I would like to easily find a working CCS charger. Typically, you have to drive further off the interstates to find a CCS charger and even then, you're lucky if there's more than 1 or 2 available. Add to that, there's at least a half dozen different possible CCS providers. On top of that, it's a crap shoot if the 1 or 2 CCS chargers you find are even working.
Having taken my Model Y from the Bay Area to the Palm Springs area as well as up to Seattle, WA, the Tesla Supercharger network has huge advantages. They're within a couple of miles of an interstate exit. There's on average 9+ chargers at any location. There's no fiddling with different apps or RFID cards, and the built-in Navigation makes it easy to plan your stops and I even had it reroute me on my Seattle trip when the original charging station it wanted me to stop at was full.
CCS needs a few things:
1. A larger number of chargers at each CCS location
2. More CCS charging locations close to interstates
3. A unified/simpler payment/authorization system
Until then, I'll use CCS locally on my Energica and Bolt when needed but for any kind of long road trip, I will always take my Tesla.
-
I have nothing against CCS per se...just that when I'm on a long road trip, I would like to easily find a working CCS charger. Typically, you have to drive further off the interstates to find a CCS charger and even then, you're lucky if there's more than 1 or 2 available. Add to that, there's at least a half dozen different possible CCS providers. On top of that, it's a crap shoot if the 1 or 2 CCS chargers you find are even working.
Having taken my Model Y from the Bay Area to the Palm Springs area as well as up to Seattle, WA, the Tesla Supercharger network has huge advantages. They're within a couple of miles of an interstate exit. There's on average 9+ chargers at any location. There's no fiddling with different apps or RFID cards, and the built-in Navigation makes it easy to plan your stops and I even had it reroute me on my Seattle trip when the original charging station it wanted me to stop at was full.
CCS needs a few things:
1. A larger number of chargers at each CCS location
2. More CCS charging locations close to interstates
3. A unified/simpler payment/authorization system
Until then, I'll use CCS locally on my Energica and Bolt when needed but for any kind of long road trip, I will always take my Tesla.
It depends on where. Between my house here in Reno and Auburn, there are more CCS chargers than I can count. Almost every exit has several, even a free one at the Donner Rest Area (but east bound isn't working). Take a look at Plugshare.
My biggest complaints about CCS is how they are all grouped together in some area and none at all in other areas. Also, the fact that when they break, they are not fixed--at least not for many months or longer.
In the area of CA where you live, you can go quite a ways in any direction and find CCS. Until you get way up north, then nothing (Such as SusanVille). Highway 395 certainly needs a lot more places to charge. And prime locations, such as Lake Topaz, ONLY have Tesla Superchargers. The only one NOT needed is there. Teslas have enough range to skip that location, while some others that need CCS have nothing until Bridgeport going south. And cannot even go that far. Such as with my SS9.
Anyway, a short range EV that only has J-1772 will be fine with me. As long as it can do the 99 miles to get to Auburn from here.
Since I have owned my Tesla M3, in 2018, I have charged it on the road two times. Both were overnight trips to the west bay. One was to buy my Enegica in Mt. View.
Anyway, unless things change, I think my Reno EV could end up being another Tesla, perhaps a Model Y. Perhaps the only AWD I find. OTOH, I am in no big hurry.
-Don- Reno, NV
-
The Mach-E can do roadtrips as easily as the Tesla. There are more CCS locations than Tesla. And the Mach-E can charge almost as fast, and almost as often. But... CCS is... more flakey than the Supercharger network. So you might roll the dice and lose some time to that. Just like if you rolled into town in your ICE vehicle only to find a gas station out of juice. (Which has happened to me.)
The Mach-E is only a choice is you're considering a Y as slightly too expensive.
Now... About regen... No, it depends on the motor and controller whether you can totally turn off the regen. Permanent magnet motors always produce current when they rotate. I hear Porsche got around this by having banks of resistors to absorb additional charge when the battery couldn't. Tesla, I think, turns on extra cooling and energy demand to try to make up the difference. I don't know what Zero does, since there's always that tiny amount of drag even when regen is clearly more 'off'.
-Crissa
-
Permanent magnet motors always produce current when they rotate.
The capacity, yes, but if there is no load, there is no current. So there should be a lot less load on the regen if there is no connection to anything during regen.
-Don- Reno, NV
-
The Mach-E can do roadtrips as easily as the Tesla. There are more CCS locations than Tesla. And the Mach-E can charge almost as fast, and almost as often. But... CCS is... more flakey than the Supercharger network. So you might roll the dice and lose some time to that. Just like if you rolled into town in your ICE vehicle only to find a gas station out of juice. (Which has happened to me.)
While I'll agree that you *can* road trip in a Mach-E, I disagree that it's as easy as in a Tesla. Here's a Car&Driver test of various EVs over a 1000 mile trip. The three Teslas finished first with the Mach-E coming in 4th. The Mach-E was 2.5 hours behind the slowest Tesla and a little over 3 hours behind the fastest Tesla. Keep in mind, this wasn't a performance race, rather how easy it is to charge up over the course of a long road trip. Overall, the test highlighted the shortcomings of the current CCS network when compared to Tesla's Supercharger network when you're road tripping.
My own personal experiences with both CCS EVs and Teslas backs up the article. Until CCS networks improve in proper density/quantity, payment/authorization, and reliability the Tesla Supercharger network is still the biggest differentiator for long road trips.
https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a36877585/ev-1000-11-electric-cars-long-distance-race/
-
While I'll agree that you *can* road trip in a Mach-E, I disagree that it's as easy as in a Tesla.
Not much of a concern to me. All the range I need will be between here in Auburn, 99.0 miles of hills door to door.
Even fast DC charging is no or very little concern. I will probably never need a charge on the road.
For longer trips, well I have been considering buying one of these (https://van.life/product/winnebago-travato/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI3oyktqmu8gIVEgiRCh3tdQ-mEAAYAiAAEgILbfD_BwE) to pollute the air with as it doesn't look like E-RVs will be practical in the USA any time soon. But I am a bit concerned with that small engine size.
-Don- Reno, NV
-
When big RVs go fully electric, we'll know for sure that the EV revolution's pretty much complete, at least for wheeled transportation. Next is ships, and who knows how long until we have transcontinental electric flights.
-
Transcontinental electric flights, it's still sci-fi . .
-
Permanent magnet motors always produce current when they rotate.
The capacity, yes, but if there is no load, there is no current. So there should be a lot less load on the regen if there is no connection to anything during regen.
Yes, one way to reduce this is to just physically disconnect the motor from the motor controller. Then you're not generating current at that point, just the potential.
I don't know anyone who does that.
Here's a Car&Driver test of various EVs over a 1000 mile trip...
Where they proved that the Mach-E can road-trip about as well as the Tesla. Tesla is clearly better, but that doesn't mean the Mach-E was difficult in any way.
-Crissa
-
BTW, as I was reading the latest posts on this forum, I heard about the Monterey Car Show (in CA) which is being held this weekend. One of the cars they are displaying is a 16-cylinder ICE Bugatti sedan, which is priced at $4 million. Get yours now as they are only going to make 16 (or was it 64?) available for sale worldwide. No mention of any electric vehicles, other than one hybrid model. So expensive high-power ICE vehicles apparently are still all the rage at car shows and are what news reporters believe that their listeners want to hear about. ::)
-
I just came up with an idea.
I am having a 10K$ TuffShed built in my backyard here in Reno. But they cannot start to built it until late OCT. They are overloaded with orders here in Reno.
Then I will be able to clear a lot of junk out of my garage, perhaps even move a motorcycle or two to Auburn. I should then have room here in Reno for my Tesla, AWD, to be garaged.
In Auburn, I have NO need for AWD. So I can consider a 2 WD EV cage to leave there and have the Tesla for Reno. I should be able to garage it as well. I think I have the room for all ten motor cycles and two cars in my six garages (3 gar garage at each house).
But I will have to wait until late OCT. when I can clear out my garage here of a lot of junk.
So I have until then to decide what EV to buy.
I will also see if I can find a good place for a large shed in Auburn. If I had nothing but vehicles in each garage, I should have plenty of room.
-Don- Reno, NV
-
Here's a Car&Driver test of various EVs over a 1000 mile trip...
Where they proved that the Mach-E can road-trip about as well as the Tesla. Tesla is clearly better, but that doesn't mean the Mach-E was difficult in any way.
I guess our definitions of difficult differ so I'll just agree to disagree. Like I said before, until I see the improvements in the CCS network I pointed out earlier, there's no way I would take my Bolt or Energica on any kind of long distance road trip unless I had no choice.
-
I guess our definitions of difficult differ so I'll just agree to disagree. Like I said before, until I see the improvements in the CCS network I pointed out earlier, there's no way I would take my Bolt or Energica on any kind of long distance road trip unless I had no choice.
Some areas need improvement, some areas do not and CCS is fast improving.
But I thought at first every Wall*Mart will have CCS. Far from it, and where needed the most, they do NOT have it (such as the SusanVille, CA Wal*Mart. I wonder who makes these decisions. They certainly don't need any more CCS on I-80 in CA.
BTW, the only CCS chargers at Wal*Mart I have trouble with are the ones you and I used in Elk Grove. And those are still a problem. But the same type of chargers are at the Wal*Mart in Fernley, NV and they always work perfectly, first try, every time. Never an issue.
BTW, they just now installed new CCS at the Safeway, in Lovelock, NV. That is a very much needed location. I-80 in NV needs more CCS, but not there in CA.
Anyway, I could easily get by with only L2 charging in cars. It's much more of an issue on my SS9, but I can still go on 300 mile trips to many areas with it.
My cages are mainly used for local stuff, so on the road charging with them isn't much of an issue to me. The 99 miles between here and my Auburn place is all the range I need. I really don't even need that, considering there are free CCS chargers at the Donner Rest Stops (50 miles). But the east bound is still broken. Nobody ever seems to be in a hurry to fix CCS, and that is a problem.
-Don- Reno, NV
-
The is from the place (https://www.wildwestchevrolet.com/VehicleDetails/new-2022-Chevrolet-Bolt_EV-5_DOOR_HATCHBACK_*ALL_ELECTRIC*-YERINGTON-NV/5087304770)that let me charge up my Energica in Yerington-- even though I have no Chevy. See here (https://www.plugshare.com/location/19329)on Plugshare.
That Chevy Bolt could be my choice.
Notice a Tesla charged there after me.
They were so nice to non-Chevy owners I want to give them my business.
I think that Bolt could be my pick. But I still have plenty of time to decide.
-Don- Reno, NV
-
I think whether or not you can road trip in a Non-Tesla EV all depends on where you live, where you are trying to go and your definition of fast. I live in NC and have went to Ohio and Illinois this year in my M3, both of which took me through West Virginia. There are no CCS chargers in West Virginia along the route so I would have had to completely avoid West Virginia if I had a non-Tesla EV. I have property on the NC coast north of Wilmington. Wallace, NC has a single 62.5kw CCS charger which is right next to a 8 stall Tesla SC. There is very little else for CCS charging on the NC coast right now. I don't doubt at all that if you are on the west coast coast road tripping in a non-Tesla EV is no problem at all. But on the east coast it isn't that simple. Yes, I-95 is covered by EA stations but that brings all of the head aches hoping you get one that works. There are several Charge Point CCS chargers that are planned for NC along major routes. 62.5 kw is the fastest, only 1-2 chargers per location. I talked with a guy at a SC in Ohio whose company was installing Charge Point DCFC and none of those being planned and installed were faster than 62.5kw. That is pretty sad. From where I sit the CCS charging network has a long way to go from a reliability, density and speed perspective before I would ever consider a non-Tesla EV as a primary vehicle.
-
I don't think charger access in West Virginia (which also sucks for hospital access) is particularly relevant to Don's Sierras stomping ground where there's CCS or NEMA 14-50 outlets anywhere there's gasoline.
-Crissa
-
I just purchased this today. (https://www.wildwestchevrolet.com/VehicleDetails/new-2022-Chevrolet-Bolt_EV-5_DOOR_HATCHBACK_*ALL_ELECTRIC*-YERINGTON-NV/5087304770) It probably won't show there by sometime tomorrow, as it is now in my driveway. But I purchased the red Chevy Bolt Hatchback in Yerington, NV today (in case not shown by the time you read above).
The OTD price was more than $41,000. So don't let those BS prices fool you.
I would give the amount to the penny, but I just now realized I do not have a copy of the contract.
The exact same thing happened when I purchased my Energica.
I should learn to make sure I have it before I leave, since this is the 2nd time in a row for me.
I just sent Wild West Chevy a note about not having a copy.
I cannot even register the car without the contract because I need the EDRS (Electronic Dealer Registration System) number.
-Don- Reno, NV
-
I suppose this is a bad time to note that a six month old Bolt just went up in flames without a determined cause today... So one outside the recall period.
-Crissa
-
I suppose this is a bad time to note that a six month old Bolt just went up in flames without a determined cause today... So one outside the recall period.
-Crissa
Do you have a link to that? Was the car just sitting there doing nothing, or was it being charged or what?
Like you have said before, any type of energy can be dangerous. And I agree.
I wonder how many ICE vehicles went up in flames today . . .
IAC, I am glad I now have my new shinny red Bolt parked outside!
BTW, I think this Bolt is more confusing than my Tesla.
-Don- Reno, NV
-
I suppose this is a bad time to note that a six month old Bolt just went up in flames without a determined cause today... So one outside the recall period.
-Crissa
Do you have a link to that? Was the car just sitting there doing nothing, or was it being charged or what?
Like you have said before, any type of energy can be dangerous. And I agree.
I wonder how many ICE vehicles went up in flames today . . .
IAC, I am glad I now have my new shinny red Bolt parked outside!
BTW, I think this Bolt is more confusing than my Tesla.
Surprisingly, the Bolt has a lot more room inside than my Tesla for larger people.
But the Bolt either has plenty of room for people or items, but NOT both at the same time.
Under what would be called the "frunk" in a Tesla, the Bolt is all electronic stuff. No storage at all in the front.
Has several coolant containers in there. But it is all good for 150,000 miles before it needs to be replaced.
Like the Tesla, it gets OTA updates.
Uses an App called "My Chevrolet".
Easy to drive. For anything else, RTFM!
-Don- Reno, NV
-
Here's the source, tho the video jas been scrubbed for some reason
https://www.chevybolt.org/threads/apparently-a-2020-bolt-has-suffered-a-battery-fire.40011/
There's no reason to think this fire is related to the others. Different chemistry, different factory, etc.
-Crissa
-
Here's the source, tho the video jas been scrubbed for some reason
https://www.chevybolt.org/threads/apparently-a-2020-bolt-has-suffered-a-battery-fire.40011/ (https://www.chevybolt.org/threads/apparently-a-2020-bolt-has-suffered-a-battery-fire.40011/)
There's no reason to think this fire is related to the others. Different chemistry, different factory, etc.
-Crissa
Thanks for that. I see it was home charging. The Bolt on L2 charges at close to 12 KW, Same as my Tesla.
I charged my Bolt after I got back from Yerington. I used my Tesla Wall Connector with a Tesla Tap. It didn't need a charge after that ~70 mile trip, but I wanted to see it work. All was fine.
The Bolt only comes with a 120 VAC Charger. Same with the Tesla Model Y these days.
No spare tire, so I just ordered the spare tire kit (tire and jack) on E-bay, ~$200.00.
-Don- Reno,. NV
-
I just purchased this today. (https://www.wildwestchevrolet.com/VehicleDetails/new-2022-Chevrolet-Bolt_EV-5_DOOR_HATCHBACK_*ALL_ELECTRIC*-YERINGTON-NV/5087304770) It probably won't show there by sometime tomorrow, as it is now in my driveway. But I purchased the red Chevy Bolt Hatchback in Yerington, NV today (in case not shown by the time you read above).
The OTD price was more than $41,000. So don't let those BS prices fool you.
I would give the amount to the penny, but I just now realized I do not have a copy of the contract.
The exact same thing happened when I purchased my Energica.
I should learn to make sure I have it before I leave, since this is the 2nd time in a row for me.
I just sent Wild West Chevy a note about not having a copy.
I cannot even register the car without the contract because I need the EDRS (Electronic Dealer Registration System) number.
-Don- Reno, NV
That was my experience also when I bought my KTM in April of last year. The shop in San Francisco was using a remote contractor to prepare the sales contract and perform the DMV registration for the shop. While I got the temporary DMV documentation, they never gave me the sales contract and when I tried contacting them several times via email, I was just ignored and never received a reply. So it must be a pandemic thing. >:( I also never received an owners manual for the bike. Once they got my money, the lost interest in me as a customer. I haven't heard from them since. Very much unlike any BMW shop that I have dealt with in the past. They tend to appreciate their customers and hope to see them in the future.
-
That was my experience also when I bought my KTM in April of last year. The shop in San Francisco was using a remote contractor to prepare the sales contract and perform the DMV registration for the shop. While I got the temporary DMV documentation, they never gave me the sales contract and when I tried contacting them several times via email, I was just ignored and never received a reply. So it must be a pandemic thing. >:( I also never received an owners manual for the bike. Once they got my money, the lost interest in me as a customer. I haven't heard from them since. Very much unlike any BMW shop that I have dealt with in the past. They tend to appreciate their customers and hope to see them in the future.
With my Energica, I went back to the Mtn . View Shop the next day from the motel I was staying at. They claimed they gave me a copy the contract, but it would not be possible for me to lose it in my Tesla or motel. Not that many places to lose it. But they did print me a copy that 2nd day before I left for Auburn.
With Wild West Chevy in Yerington, I will see if they send me a message after they open at 0900 hrs. If not, I will give them a call. I will be hard to ignore, because I will drive down there if I have to. But I assume they will get back to me ASAP.
Yeah, BMW will try to keep their customers happy for the insane service charges they receive. BMW=Bring My Wad. :)
BTW, the Chevy Bolt comes with a real book Owner's Manual. I think it is also on the screen, if I ever figure it out how to find it. :)
The Bolt is another SmartPhone on wheels. I think even more so than my Tesla.
-Don- Reno, NV
-
My 1999 Saturn station wagon came with a 430 page hard covered owners manual that contained lots of instructions on how to maintain the car and make simple repairs, including plenty of clear photos showing how to perform many tasks. However nothing about how to operate the roll up windows. But it did provide complete instructions on using the AM/FM radio and how to set its digital clock.
-
I see the link I provided in the last page to my shinny red Chevy Bolt now goes to the gray Bolt instead. That was the Bolt I took a test drive in. They didn't want me to test drive mine because it was in the show room, not outside. It was moved outside after I decided to buy it. Part of that payment I made was with fifty hundred dollar bills. I sold some of my coins, including many gold coins, and they wanted to get rid of some of their cash so I took 5K$ worth in cash, the rest in a check. I sold more than 50K$ worth of stuff after I got a letter that one of the US Banks in Reno was getting out of the safe deposit box business and I had to close three boxes by some date in September. I decided to sell the contents, and accept payments in three ways, 1 oz gold bars, cash and check.
So the Bolt is all paid for, before I received a cent from the sale of my Cold Springs Valley house. That should close escrow in a few days.
BTW, I never knew the HOA charges almost $400.00 to close their accounts. About $200.00 each. One is the White Rock HOA, which is owned by FirstService HOA. Both of them charge just under $200.00 each to sell a house. Nothing I can do about it, as Escrow cannot close if I don't pay it. So I already paid it.
But HOAs are getting way too powerful, IMO. I don't care about the ~$385.00, it's just they that they seem to be proud to rip off the home owners in every possible way. I guess they got rich enough to buy off lawyers and politicians.
If I ever buy another house (unlikely) I will have three main rules:
1. No HOA
2. No HOA
3. No HOA
I just drove my Bolt here for LESS than free. I left my Reno house charged to 190 miles. I got here in Auburn with 225 mile range left, so no need to charge again.
I got a half hour free fast charge at the Summit (a little slow for a fast charger, but the price is right) and the rest is down hill so I got even more charge from Regen. I did NOT charge to full in that 30 minutes. I stopped the charge and took off after a half hour. I then had a 200 mile range left, so I got another 25 miles from the regen on the way back.
I like the Bolt Regen a lot better than the Tesla. It's just right, IMO, no matter where I am driving, so the regen increases with slower speeds. And about three times the regen when I touch the brake pedal. In the Tesla, brakes do not increase regen.
I don't think the Bolt has a way to adjust regen, other than the one pedal driving, but I have no need for either.
-Don- Auburn, CA (just as smoky here as in Reno!)
-
Yeah, that closing charge seems designed to skip under the level of which someone might sue them to cancel it.
-Crissa
-
I did hear from Wild West Chevy. My copy of the Bolt contract was left on one of the guys desks and never got to me. They are mailing it to me.
I was also told that the number I need to register the car does NOT come from them. So it will NOT be on the contract. It gets mailed to me from DMV. I assume that is to be sure the address I use for the registration is the same as my address or whatever. Normally receive it in a few days, they say.
So it is not possible to register a NV car the same day as I buy it.
NV does everything differently than CA when it comes to registrations. One other example is when we sell a car, we must remove all the license plates and bring them to the NV DMV. A lic plate in NV can only be the original car with the original owner.
One thing I like, in NV, is the Lic plate number is on the registration sticker in NV. In CA, I had my new sticker ripped off. That doesn't happen in NV.
In CA, they say to remove all your old stickers and put on the new and then take a razor blade to slice cuts in the new sticker. That makes them not possible to remove. I was told that from DMV, I learned that the hard way.
In NV, we don't have to bother as a mismatched sticker will cause a few questions from any cop who notices such.
-Don- Auburn, CA
-
The neighbor behind me had a old Jeep that he brought in from Idaho, which had a 2010 license plate on it, when he moved to California. He never registered the car with the DMV. And apparently never got pulled over for not having a CA plate, even though the Jeep is parked on the public street and he drives it a couple of times a week. He kept that plate on the Jeep until this year when he bought a nice used Jeep Renegade and then transferred the old Idaho plate to that vehicle. It is amazing what you can get away with if you look like a tourist from out of state. ???
-
It is amazing what you can get away with if you look like a tourist from out of state. ???
That's how I look in my new Chevy Bolt here in CA. No front lic. plate bracket or anything. But there is a front plate bracket inside the car.
My rear plate is a paper that says "Wild West Chevrolet, Yerington, NV".
NV also requires two lic plates. Only the rear one needed in AZ.
BTW, I didn't even look in Reno for the same car.
I wanted to give WWC in Yerington my business, because I thought everybody there was so nice and helpful when I asked them last spring if I could charge my Energica there. Yet I didn't even own a Chevy.
I was the first to log in to Plugshare there. Since then a Tesla logged in there. See here. (https://www.plugshare.com/location/19329) The Tesla owner said the same as I did.
Obviously, one cannot assume that a Tesla owner will not buy a new Chevy Bolt!
-Don- Auburn, CA
-
I just heard on the CBS radio national news and also on the local 5pm SF CBS TV news, that all Chevy Bolts are being recalled to replace their battery packs due to a fire risk. Until that is done Chevy recommends that the pack not be recharged past 90%.
-
I just heard on the CBS radio national news and also on the local 5pm SF CBS TV news, that all Chevy Bolts are being recalled to replace their battery packs due to a fire risk. Until that is done Chevy recommends that the pack not be recharged past 90%.
I was just going to post this. (https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/recall-all-chevy-bolt-vehicles-fire-risk) The recall was the day after I purchased mine.
BTW, I got the message today right on my Bolt screen inside the car.
BTW, it's not a real big deal to me. My charge is always within that safe range.
But it's a good thing I didn't have more down hill to drive to get to Auburn, more regen could have made the car blow up as I am driving! :'(
-Don- Auburn, CA
-
I just realized I wanted a car I can park outside! And all this just gives me a good reason to park outside, as I have been doing.
The charge input thingy is in the very left front of this car. That's a perfect place for me, to charge the car with the cable under the garage door, at either house.
-Don- Auburn, CA
-
The Bolt news just hit the business section of my newspaper today. :(
-
The Bolt news just hit the business section of my newspaper today. :(
I am glad I bought my Bolt the day I did. A day later, they would not have sold it to me. Really, I think I like the Bolt more than the Tesla now that I figured it out to some degree. It's smaller outside with more room inside.
I discovered today not only does the braking increase regen, but the more pressure I put on the brake pedal, the more regen I get. It has four wheel disk brakes. I wonder if they ever even get used.
The recall issues are not important to me as I always will charge in that safe range even if no recall. And will park outside anyway. I will see if I can buy a cover for it in a few minutes.
I noticed today that I get better range in the Bolt than the Tesla for the same distance shown as miles of range left, perhaps because of the much better regen. It's mostly down hill from here to go anywhere. But it's better range on a round trip.
-Don- Auburn, CA
-
Yes, you shouldn't be driving when snow is piling up faster than it!s being removed.
The number of drive axles is irrelevant.
-Crissa
Sometimes you just got to do what you got to do to get home. Im not talking driving in +20cm snow, but there are times snow keep piling between each removal.
Here is a peek at what is possible, but near limit for the Ioniq- mostly due to front wheel drive:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/efutgajp2o88o3m/Ioniq-vinterbil-2018.mp4?dl=0
A 4 wheel drive vehicle with the same weight distribution would be ideal, and have no issues in this weather. If the ioniq was rear wheel drive it would be easier, but also there would be a tendency to slide when traction control has to be turned off (as in the video).
-
The Bolt recall has to so with flaws in cell QA, not recharging patterns. Several of the fires were while the car sat, not being charged.
-Crissa
-
Yeah, doesn't matter that much fewer EVs - even of 2012 Zeros or Bolts to pick battery recalls - than ICE cars.
-Crissa
-
The Bolt recall has to so with flaws in cell QA, not recharging patterns. Several of the fires were while the car sat, not being charged.
-Crissa
When they were all sitting with a full charge to 100%, which I don't do. GM is telling me to not charge above 90% SOC. I wouldn't charge to 100% SOC anyway.
-Don- Auburn, CA
-
When they were all sitting with a full charge to 100%...
No. Several of the fires were at lower levels. And not while charging.
-Crissa
-
No. Several of the fires were at lower levels. And not while charging.
Do you have a link that shows such? I would like to post it in the Chevy Bolt forum and see what they say, as I have not heard anything about that there.
And has any of then caught fire while driving?
And how low? They are saying do not let the charge get below 30% or above 90%.
But that 60% of range works okay for me to get between Auburn and Reno as well as any of my other driving anyway.
But I will get the recall done ASAP anyway, of course. I don't think anybody knows when the recall work will start.
-Don- Auburn, CA
-
This one was about 70%, wasn't charging:
https://electrek.co/2021/05/07/exclusive-the-latest-chevy-bolt-fire-reveals-troubling-pattern-that-owners-should-be-aware-of/
Not all the fires were Bolts that were charging. Not all of them were at a high state of charge. The type of failure GM is describing is unrelated to charge level; it's due to there being cells that are prone to seperator failure.
-Crissa
-
I looked up EV fires on YouTube and after seeing thumbnail videos of those clips, I decided not to look further. :o It would appear that every brand of EV has has car fires and there are no lack of people willing to film them and post the clips on the Tube.
-
This one was about 70%, wasn't charging:
https://electrek.co/2021/05/07/exclusive-the-latest-chevy-bolt-fire-reveals-troubling-pattern-that-owners-should-be-aware-of/ (https://electrek.co/2021/05/07/exclusive-the-latest-chevy-bolt-fire-reveals-troubling-pattern-that-owners-should-be-aware-of/)
Not all the fires were Bolts that were charging. Not all of them were at a high state of charge. The type of failure GM is describing is unrelated to charge level; it's due to there being cells that are prone to seperator failure.
"The car was typically charged when it got down to about 30 miles of range left"
That's well below the 30% SOC min Chevy is saying to charge at, as I mentioned in my previous message, To be safe (they think) charging must be done between 30 and 90% SOC, which is what I do anyway. Why or if that really helps somehow with cell separator failure, I have no idea. But that is what Chey is recommending before the recall is done.
They also recommend only charging outside, until the recall is done. But here, that could cause most of Auburn to catch on fire, being deep in the dry trees from the drought. Not much I can do about that for now.
BTW, I was probably the last person in the USA to buy a Bolt before the recall was announced.
-Don- Auburn, CA
-
That's well below but you know what? The fire didn't start then, so it's probably unrelated, but it's probably why GM said to avoid low state of charge as well.
-Crissa
-
You might want to avoid parking next to VW EV's too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4NAKQst7Lk
-
EVs catch fire alot less often than ICE vehicles, so there's that.
-Crissa
-
I drove my Tesla back from Sacramento yesterday as I went RV shopping at El Mesa RV in West Sacramento because my Tesla has a CA plate with the clean air stickers so I can use the car pool lanes with only me inside. My Bolt has a NV plate, so I cannot do that with it. Anyway, from there, I decided to drive all the way to Reno instead of only going back to Auburn.
What I am getting at is my Bolt is parked under a bunch of trees in a high risk fire area in front of my house in Auburn. If my Bolt caches fire there, I hope it is Chevy that is responsible, and not me. A fire in that area of Auburn now, will, well, I think we know. It's probably about the only forested area ln all of CA to NOT burn down down yet. ;)
-Don- Reno, NV
-
Don the recall was for 2017-19 bolts. The problem is in the mechanical construction of the cells themselves. The factory machines were off the specs a bit and QC didn't catch it.
If anyone wants to learn more about it the YT channel Transport Evolved goes into it in great detail since they own 2 of them.
-
Don the recall was for 2017-19 bolts. The problem is in the mechanical construction of the cells themselves. The factory machines were off the specs a bit and QC didn't catch it.
If anyone wants to learn more about it the YT channel Transport Evolved goes into it in great detail since they own 2 of them.
GM revised the earlier 2017-2019 recall to now include every Bolt ever made. That is what the news article that I posted said. GM is going to take a $1 billion hit due to this battery pack recall. But at least they are not leaving their customers out to dry and eventually they will all receive new batteries that will hopefully be manufactured with care and will likely give their owners long and satisfactory service. :)
-
The newer ones have American made batteries not the ones from LG chem.
Feel free to contact GM for all details but I don't think the article is correct unless they are giving a feel good once over of newer cars to make people feel better.
They are replacing the old batteries with the Ultium batteries that the new cars already have.
As for who pays. Why would LG Chem get off when they made the bad batteries in the first place. We'll see, maybe 50/50.
-
Don the recall was for 2017-19 bolts. The problem is in the mechanical construction of the cells themselves. The factory machines were off the specs a bit and QC didn't catch it.
If anyone wants to learn more about it the YT channel Transport Evolved goes into it in great detail since they own 2 of them.
This recall includes all Bolts, even for the ones that already had the recall work done as that fix didn't fix anything. This includes every Bolt ever made including my 2022. I was most likely the very last person in the USA to buy a Bolt. They can no longer sell them until the recall work is completed and so far NONE have been. The morning after I purchased my Bolt, the recall was announced for the very first time. And it was just about closing time when I left the Chevy dealer the day before in my new 2022 shinny red Bolt.
FWIW, I am not sorry at all that I purchased it. As long as it doesn't catch fire . . . .
I am undecided which car I like best between my 2022 Bolt and my 2018 Tesla M3. Each have their pluses and minuses over the other.
-Don-
-
The newer ones have American made batteries not the ones from LG chem.
The very next morning after I purchased my 2022 Bolt, I got a message on my Bolt screen that my 2022 Bolt is being recalled.
-Don- Reno, NV
-
See here. (https://www.wired.com/story/gm-recalls-every-chevy-bolt-ever-over-faulty-battery-fire-risk/)
"GM HAS ANNOUNCED that it is recalling every Chevrolet Bolt made to date, including new electric utility vehicle models, over concerns that a manufacturing defect in the cars' LG-made batteries could cause a fire."
Looks like all the Bolt batteries are "LG-made"
-Don- Reno, NV
-
Mmm lawyers.
If they don't trust the new batteries then I guess it's all buy backs.
-
A 2020 Bolt had a mysterious fire last month, so that's why they extended it.
-Crissa
-
I am undecided which car I like best between my 2022 Bolt and my 2018 Tesla M3. Each have their pluses and minuses over the other.
It shouldn't be a case of which one is better. To me, two different cars for two different purposes. Other than both being BEVs, IMHO, they serve two different purposes. For me, my Bolt is my around town driver and commuter. My Model Y is my road tripping EV or when I need to carry more stuff than the Bolt can.
I like them both and like you said, they both have their good and bad points, but again, I feel like trying to directly compare them isn't being fair to either one.
-
I no longer have my 2020 Bolt, but the person who has it told me that They were only replacing certain parts, not entire battery. Will see what happens.
I now have a Mustang Mach E. Made in Mexico using SK Innovations Battery. They were partnered with LG for a while, but, had a falling out, lawsuits resulted.
SKI can no longer accept NEW battery contracts in U.S., but, able to continue with present contracts. When I first discovered that I was not going to get the
LG Chem battery, I was not happy. Feeling better now. Hyundai and Kia are sister companies, but, SKI does batteries for Kia and LG Chem for Hyundai.
All Electric Konas have been recalled, but, none of the Kias.
So few wins these days, take them where we can get them.
-
It shouldn't be a case of which one is better. To me, two different cars for two different purposes. Other than both being BEVs, IMHO, they serve two different purposes. For me, my Bolt is my around town driver and commuter. My Model Y is my road tripping EV or when I need to carry more stuff than the Bolt can.
I like them both and like you said, they both have their good and bad points, but again, I feel like trying to directly compare them isn't being fair to either one.
Yeah, they are difficult to compare for many reasons. Is your Bolt also a hatchback? Mine has plenty of room for people or stuff, but NOT both. I always keep the back seats down to carry stuff, because I will probably never need the back seat for people.
But I cannot say I use mine for different purposes. Just different locations. They both get me between Auburn and Reno as well as any other place just fine. And I am now back in Auburn.
Smokey all the way now from Reno to past Auburn.
-Don- Auburn, CA
-
Yep, my 2020 is a hatchback. All 2020 and earlier Bolts are the same layout...4 door hatchbacks. Only the new 2022 (2021?) models are split between the original EV layout and the newer, larger EUV layout.
And yes, the smoke even out here by me has been horrible. I have an outdoor cat I feed twice a day and I've been having to take allergy meds just to do that (I sit outside with her while she eats so I can bring her food bowl in immediately...damn racoons!).
-
And by 'larger' they mean like, four inches. Not very much! It matters in range and carrying capability, but the difference is very slight. Less than the difference between a 3 and Y.
-Crissa
-
I got an email form Wild West Chevy in Yerington just minutes ago.
They want to pick up my Bolt here at 0930 hrs in the morning, drive it back to Yerington, do the recall and drive it back in the same afternoon.
That surprises me. I didn't even know they were ready to do the recalls and I am surprised they can change a battery pack in it so quickly.
-Don- Reno, NV
-
That falls back in line with what I had heard earlier. They will do a once over on your car not expecting anything to be wrong.
The known problems are with the 2017-19s those will most likely get the new American made battery packs that are in your car.
-
GM is also trying to not replace anything it doesn't have to.
-Crissa
-
Interesting. I just checked the recall information for my gf's 2020 Bolt. It says:
Repair Description:
The remedy will be the replacement of defective battery modules in the recall population. Until the updated recall remedy is performed, customers should take the following interim steps: 1.Customers should set their vehicle’s high-voltage battery system to a 90% state of charge limitation using Target Charge Level mode. If customers are unable to successfully make these changes, or do not feel comfortable making these changes, customers should visit their dealer to have these adjustments completed. 2.Additionally, we ask that customers charge their vehicle more frequently and avoid depleting their battery below approximately 70 miles (113 KM) of remaining range, where possible. 3.Out of an abundance of caution, customers should continue to park their vehicles outside immediately after charging and not leave their vehicles charging indoors overnight.
Recall Status: INCOMPLETE. REMEDY NOT YET AVAILABLE
"replacement of defective battery modules" doesn't sound like they're going to replace the whole battery, although I have no idea how they are supposed to find defective modules without taking them apart, thus destroying them. More importantly, a solution doesn't appear to be available yet. @DonTom, has your dealership specifically referred to the recall?
-
I just found out this is a BS "repair" until they have the real fix.
I do NOT need or want the "fix" they are going to do tomorrow, and I just now told them so via email. But I assume they have to do it anyway.
Tomorrow's BS "fix" is to make it impossible for me to charge to above 90% SOC. I have mine set to stop charging at 85% SOC as it is.
I wish I knew this to begin with. I wouldn't be home here, I would be in Auburn and I would ignore their calls. I found out late this is just a BS "fix" that I do not need or want.
The only good point is tomorrow, they will bring me a copy of the contract that they forgot to give me.
-Don- Reno, NV
-
I now have my Bolt contract. I mentioned I will post what it cost here.
The BS base price was $38,660.00.
The OTD price was $41,275.56, but that does NOT include the registration in NV (done much differently here in NV, done later by owner). So add $479.00 to that for the NV registration. So the total cost was $41,754.56,
So add on about 8% more to the BS price to get the real OTD price.
I got my Bolt back today from the BS recall. So now I will charge to 90% SOC limit instead of the 85% I was using.
As if this is really safer.
BTW, the drivers they use are not real employees at WWC. A couple of retired guys making a little extra cash, is what they use to pick up and deliver cars for recalls and such.
-Don- Reno, NV
-
They believe the battery fires were cased by extra long charges. Charging from only having a few miles range left and then charging all the way to full.
So the temporary fix is so I cannot charge to full, just up to 90%.
Not a big deal to me, I normally charge to just above 200 miles which is around 80% SOC anyway.
Are there any guesses of when the real recalls (battery changes) will start?
-Don- Reno, NV
-
GM is suing LG for still not being able to guarantee the batteries they're producing.
So no one knows.
-Crissa
-
Today, I just happened to park next to a shiny new black Ford Mustang Mach-E EV. Looks very nice. I wonder what the main differences are between the Chevy Bolt and that Ford is.
I really didn't do any comparison shopping at all, but I really like my Bolt, despite the recall issue, which is not much of an issue to me anyway.
-Don- Auburn, CA
-
I really like my Bolt, despite the recall issue, which is not much of an issue to me anyway.
It shouldn't be an issue to anyone. The likelihood of the battery catching fire is vanishing low and it takes two separate manufacturing defects in the same cell. Not saying it's impossible, but then again, what is? Personally I have no issue parking my Model 3 and the SR/S next to my gf's Bolt in the same garage. It's not that there have been fires all over the place. Chevy just wants to make sure not to get into any more trouble than they already are.
I'm still surprised though that the news media is rather relaxed about it. They reported it and that was it. Had it been Tesla, they would've posted the stock price, how much it's gonna go down, theorized how many people will file lawsuits and what not.
But it's just a Chevy, so meh... who cares, really?
-
It shouldn't be an issue to anyone. The likelihood of the battery catching fire is vanishing low and it takes two separate manufacturing defects in the same cell. Not saying it's impossible, but then again, what is? Personally I have no issue parking my Model 3 and the SR/S next to my gf's Bolt in the same garage. It's not that there have been fires all over the place. Chevy just wants to make sure not to get into any more trouble than they already are.
I'm still surprised though that the news media is rather relaxed about it. They reported it and that was it. Had it been Tesla, they would've posted the stock price, how much it's gonna go down, theorized how many people will file lawsuits and what not.
But it's just a Chevy, so meh... who cares, really?
Chevy will advertise in those newspapers. Tesla won't so they are very easy for the news media to go after.
I also would not worry about the Bolt catching on fire. It remines me of other issues, such as around one in a million kids die from having their tonsils removed. About one in a million hand grenades will explode as soon as the handle is released. Perhaps it's about one in a million 2022 Chevy Bolts that catch fire. It's just that one has already, which they believe was caused from charging to 100% SOC from around 2 or 3 SOC, along with the other two issues in the same cell. What are the odds?
But mine has already had the first recall. All it does is stop me from charging past 90% SOC. Not an issue to me. I was only charging to 85% anyway, and that was what I set my charge to stop the day I got it home. The info about the recall was on my screen in the morning. I assume I was the very last person in the USA to buy a Chevy Bolt before the recall. I would not have been able to buy it if I went there a day later, as they stopped all sales on Bolts for a while. I am not sure about now, as they are now doing the 90% charge recall. But even if they are selling them, I assume there are not many buyers. Most buyers would want to get this issue over with. But that term "most" often leaves me out. :)
-Don- Auburn, CA
-
The fires are somewhere between one in 30k to 100k right now. About a third of the fires I'm not sure if they've been verified as relating to the failure or not.
-Crissa
-
Speaking of fires: A new wildfire broke out near Auburn at 3pm yesterday. It is called the Bridge Fire. The fire is not expected to approach the city of Auburn per news reports last night. CalFire was all over it yesterday and probably will have it under control soon. So far no information regarding the fire is being reported this morning, so it likely has not become a big issue for the local community.
-
Speaking of fires: A new wildfire broke out near Auburn at 3pm yesterday. It is called the Bridge Fire. The fire is not expected to approach the city of Auburn per news reports last night. CalFire was all over it yesterday and probably will have it under control soon. So far no information regarding the fire is being reported this morning, so it likely has not become a big issue for the local community.
Yeah, I hear it is in the Forest Hill area.
Seems Auburn is about the only heavily forested area in CA not to burn down- - - yet.
All my favorite riding areas around here for my Zero SR are burning down. Same for much of the Reno area--but mostly in CA, but still near Reno.
I used to stop for lunch a lot in a restaurant in Greenville, CA. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenville,_California) Now is burnt down.
-Don- Auburn, CA
-
Speaking of fires: A new wildfire broke out near Auburn at 3pm yesterday. It is called the Bridge Fire. The fire is not expected to approach the city of Auburn per news reports last night. CalFire was all over it yesterday and probably will have it under control soon. So far no information regarding the fire is being reported this morning, so it likely has not become a big issue for the local community.
Yeah, I hear it is in the Forest Hill area.
Seems Auburn is about the only heavily forested area in CA not to burn down- - - yet.
All my favorite riding areas around here for my Zero SR are burning down. Same for much of the Reno area--but mostly in CA, but still near Reno.
I used to stop for lunch a lot in a restaurant in Greenville, CA. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenville,_California) Now is burnt down.
-Don- Auburn, CA
Very sad. :(
-
Speaking of fires: A new wildfire broke out near Auburn at 3pm yesterday. It is called the Bridge Fire. The fire is not expected to approach the city of Auburn per news reports last night. CalFire was all over it yesterday and probably will have it under control soon. So far no information regarding the fire is being reported this morning, so it likely has not become a big issue for the local community.
Juan Brown did a great job coving the Oreville dam story & now wildfires (along with his usual aviation story’s).
Here’s his report on the Bridge fire.
https://youtu.be/SJI2JYyr9e8
-
Here’s his report on the Bridge fire.
I have riden over that bridge countless times. Very nice riding area for a Zero or an Energica. Go over that bridge and head for SugarPine Lake and then down the Iowa Hills to Colfax. As soon as you get into Colfax, there are CCS and J1772 charge stations less than a mile away. (https://www.plugshare.com/location/217070) But they are well hidden behind the restaurant
Very beautiful area (https://www.visitplacer.com/sugar-pine-reservoir/)--at least it was.
All my favorite riding areas are now burnt down, both near here as well as near Auburn, CA.
-Don- Reno, NV
-
I have a brother that lives about a mile South of the Grass Valley airport surrounded by a lot of timber (fingers crossed).
A few years ago my wife & I were chased out of our house at 1AM by the fast moving Woosley Fire.
Favorable winds plus the home owners association open space disking saved the entire track.
-
I have a brother that lives about a mile South of the Grass Valley airport surrounded by a lot of timber (fingers crossed).
If he ever has a plan to go to Reno, tell him to come pick me up in Auburn to bring me to Reno one-way and I will make sure his trip is more than paid for.
I need to get more motorcycles from Reno to my Auburn house to leave there. So I want to ride them from Reno one way to Auburn.
-Don- Reno, NV DonTom3@aol.com