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« Reply #45 on: August 08, 2021, 02:27:03 PM »

Yes, you shouldn't be driving when snow is piling up faster than it!s being removed.

The number of drive axles is irrelevant.

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« Reply #46 on: August 11, 2021, 10:11:14 PM »

My Cold Springs Valley house is now in Escrow and I will have a few hundred thousand bucks in a few weeks. It sold for 350K$.


Anyway, I discovered there will be a 2021 AWD EV, the Ford Mustang EV!  Sounds nice. That could be my next car, new, 2021, even if I need to leave it outside, ungaraged.


Is there any reason I should not consider the Ford Mustang AWD EV?


Or at that price, would it make more sense for me to get another AWD Tesla, perhaps a Model Y?


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« Reply #47 on: August 12, 2021, 12:15:24 AM »

Is there any reason I should not consider the Ford Mustang AWD EV?
Well, in that they've already sold 50k but only delivered half that this year.  If you can actually find one someone wants to sell, sure.

Their software and support is not great, but not BMW bad this year.  Mostly Ford dealers aren't ready for it yet.  There's also a recall for overheating while on long downhill grades you have to make sure is applied.

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« Reply #48 on: August 12, 2021, 01:24:03 AM »

I reserved an F-150 Lighting minutes after they made them available. I hope they get those software issues resolved by the time I get my Lightning.
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« Reply #49 on: August 12, 2021, 01:46:29 AM »

There's also a recall for overheating while on long downhill grades you have to make sure is applied.
Overheating going downhill? Caused by regen or what?


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« Reply #50 on: August 12, 2021, 03:04:06 AM »

There's also a recall for overheating while on long downhill grades you have to make sure is applied.
Overheating going downhill? Caused by regen or what?
https://insideevs.com/news/520468/ford-mustang-mache-overheating-regen/

Yep.  May be a software issue.

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« Reply #51 on: August 12, 2021, 04:05:20 AM »

Yep.  May be a software issue.
Hopefully, they have that issue fixed by the time I buy one--if I do. 50% of my drive to Auburn from here is all downhill.


I get the feeling the Mustang EV is difficult to buy here in Reno at this time. I already asked on-line (on chat) for CC and Reno.


Perhaps I will have better luck in CA, where I have not yet checked.


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« Reply #52 on: August 12, 2021, 04:06:31 AM »

Speaking of heat, I just heard on the news that it has become very hot again in Oregon and Washington, with temperatures around 100 degrees F and will be hotter tomorrow. Not a good time to go downhill in your Ford Mustang EV.  ;)
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« Reply #53 on: August 12, 2021, 07:56:20 PM »

Speaking of heat, I just heard on the news that it has become very hot again in Oregon and Washington, with temperatures around 100 degrees F and will be hotter tomorrow. Not a good time to go downhill in your Ford Mustang EV.  ;)
Can the regen be lowered or turned off?




99% of the time, I keep my Tesla M3 on "mild" regen. Often, it's not low enough. Only has two settings and cannot be turned off.


Perhaps a FW update someday will give more choices, I hope.


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« Reply #54 on: August 12, 2021, 08:35:37 PM »

My Cold Springs Valley house is now in Escrow and I will have a few hundred thousand bucks in a few weeks. It sold for 350K$.


Anyway, I discovered there will be a 2021 AWD EV, the Ford Mustang EV!  Sounds nice. That could be my next car, new, 2021, even if I need to leave it outside, ungaraged.


Is there any reason I should not consider the Ford Mustang AWD EV?


Or at that price, would it make more sense for me to get another AWD Tesla, perhaps a Model Y?


-Don-  Reno, NV

I had a deposit down on a Mach-E but once I found out it was going to use CCS for fast charging, I cancelled and switched to a Model Y since it was going to be my long road trip EV.

Since the Mustang Mach-E and Model Y are comparable in both specs and price, it really comes down to whether or not you plan on ever using the Mach-E for long road trips. If it's going to be local only, then either one will be fine. If you are going to use it for occasional road trips then the Tesla Supercharger network still can't be beat and is a huge differentiator.

The Mach-E still qualifies for Federal rebates I believe but you might want to double check since I think there may be new rules that kill the rebate if your income is too high.

You may also want to watch this video about one owner's Mach-E buying experience:
Since you still purchase Mach-E's via a traditional dealership, your buying experience may vary greatly.
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« Reply #55 on: August 12, 2021, 08:56:47 PM »

I had a deposit down on a Mach-E but once I found out it was going to use CCS for fast charging, I cancelled and switched to a Model Y since it was going to be my long road trip EV.
What do you have against CCS?  Do you drive in area where they have no CCS?  My biggest complaint about CCS is when the chargers crap out, nobody fixes them. The two CCS chargers  at Silver Springs, NV have been out for more than six months. In fact, I am not sure if they ever worked. They have only been installed for about six months.

The same issue with the one on the I-80 Donner Rest Stop, east bound. It's been out for months.

And the ones you and I tried to use at the Wal*Mart in Elk Grove are also flakey, but I hear they now work with a phone call.

The Mach-E still qualifies for Federal rebates I believe but you might want to double check since I think there may be new rules that kill the rebate if your income is too high.
That's a bummer!  I could use that tax break, but I see here my retirement income is too high, I cannot get a cent of that tax credit. But I won't go broke over it and that will not effect my decision to buy another EV.

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« Reply #56 on: August 13, 2021, 01:05:04 AM »

I have nothing against CCS per se...just that when I'm on a long road trip, I would like to easily find a working CCS charger. Typically, you have to drive further off the interstates to find a CCS charger and even then, you're lucky if there's more than 1 or 2 available. Add to that, there's at least a half dozen different possible CCS providers. On top of that, it's a crap shoot if the 1 or 2 CCS chargers you find are even working.

Having taken my Model Y from the Bay Area to the Palm Springs area as well as up to Seattle, WA, the Tesla Supercharger network has huge advantages. They're within a couple of miles of an interstate exit. There's on average 9+ chargers at any location. There's no fiddling with different apps or RFID cards, and the built-in Navigation makes it easy to plan your stops and I even had it reroute me on my Seattle trip when the original charging station it wanted me to stop at was full.

CCS needs a few things:
1. A larger number of chargers at each CCS location
2. More CCS charging locations close to interstates
3. A unified/simpler payment/authorization system

Until then, I'll use CCS locally on my Energica and Bolt when needed but for any kind of long road trip, I will always take my Tesla.
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« Reply #57 on: August 13, 2021, 01:57:56 AM »

I have nothing against CCS per se...just that when I'm on a long road trip, I would like to easily find a working CCS charger. Typically, you have to drive further off the interstates to find a CCS charger and even then, you're lucky if there's more than 1 or 2 available. Add to that, there's at least a half dozen different possible CCS providers. On top of that, it's a crap shoot if the 1 or 2 CCS chargers you find are even working.

Having taken my Model Y from the Bay Area to the Palm Springs area as well as up to Seattle, WA, the Tesla Supercharger network has huge advantages. They're within a couple of miles of an interstate exit. There's on average 9+ chargers at any location. There's no fiddling with different apps or RFID cards, and the built-in Navigation makes it easy to plan your stops and I even had it reroute me on my Seattle trip when the original charging station it wanted me to stop at was full.

CCS needs a few things:
1. A larger number of chargers at each CCS location
2. More CCS charging locations close to interstates
3. A unified/simpler payment/authorization system

Until then, I'll use CCS locally on my Energica and Bolt when needed but for any kind of long road trip, I will always take my Tesla.
It depends on where. Between my house here in Reno and Auburn, there are more CCS chargers than I can count. Almost every exit has several, even a free one at the Donner Rest Area (but east bound isn't working). Take a look at Plugshare.


My biggest complaints about CCS is how they are all grouped together in some area and none at all in other areas. Also, the fact that when they break, they are not fixed--at least not for many months or longer. 


In the area of CA where you live, you can go quite a ways in any direction and find CCS. Until you get way up north, then nothing (Such as SusanVille). Highway 395 certainly needs a lot more places to charge. And prime locations, such as Lake Topaz, ONLY have Tesla Superchargers. The only one NOT needed is there. Teslas have enough range to skip that location, while some others that need CCS have nothing until Bridgeport going south. And cannot even go that far. Such as with my SS9.


Anyway, a short range EV that only has J-1772 will be fine with me. As long as it can do the 99 miles to get to Auburn from here.


Since I have owned my Tesla M3, in 2018, I have charged it on the road two times. Both were overnight trips to the west bay. One was to buy my Enegica in Mt. View.


Anyway, unless things change, I think my Reno EV could end up being another Tesla, perhaps a Model Y. Perhaps the only AWD I find. OTOH, I am in no big hurry.


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« Reply #58 on: August 13, 2021, 06:21:46 AM »

The Mach-E can do roadtrips as easily as the Tesla.  There are more CCS locations than Tesla.  And the Mach-E can charge almost as fast, and almost as often.  But... CCS is... more flakey than the Supercharger network.  So you might roll the dice and lose some time to that.  Just like if you rolled into town in your ICE vehicle only to find a gas station out of juice.  (Which has happened to me.)

The Mach-E is only a choice is you're considering a Y as slightly too expensive.

Now... About regen... No, it depends on the motor and controller whether you can totally turn off the regen.  Permanent magnet motors always produce current when they rotate.  I hear Porsche got around this by having banks of resistors to absorb additional charge when the battery couldn't.  Tesla, I think, turns on extra cooling and energy demand to try to make up the difference.  I don't know what Zero does, since there's always that tiny amount of drag even when regen is clearly more 'off'.

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« Reply #59 on: August 13, 2021, 09:57:11 AM »

  Permanent magnet motors always produce current when they rotate.
The capacity, yes, but if there is no load, there is no current. So there should be a lot less load on the regen if there is no connection to anything during regen.


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