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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: MrMogensen on April 30, 2021, 02:34:48 PM
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First post here...
Been on the 600riders forum (Yamaha) for a very long time but since I am not longer interested in ICE bikes... moving on.
I am in doubt... do I want the Zero SR/S or en Energica Eva/Ego? Oh boy these 1st world problems are tough!
Background...
Have had my Yamaha FZ6 since 2008 - my only bike. Primarily its a daily commute from April-October ish (sometimes a bit more). Rarely ride just for fun. Every 4-5 years I take an advanced track course.
Last year we bought a Tesla Model 3 Long Range. Shortly after a homecharger. This has somewhat ruined most of the joy of having my FZ6. It's still a great ride but just not the same. Feels almost silly to startup the bike in front of the house when there is such an epic EV standing there besides is... I really want an EV bike!
Clearly I think the SR/S seems like the obvious choice. Quite similar to FZ6. I have a home AC charger never any problem slowcharging for the daily commute. Most little sunday rides with fiancé on the back are maybe 150 +/- km?
But that damn italian Eva (maybe Ego) really seems annoyingly fun. But maybe I have too little use of it's advantages?
Testrode an SR/F yesterday. Really simple. Felt surprisingly light. Asked about service and, just like with Tesla, there is no fuss with service stamps in a book - just recommendations and free softwareupdate once a year. They have a grey SR/S at the dealer (but only allowed testriding the SR/F). I love the look of the SR/S - soo well designed. Closer inspection revealed that parts of it seems pretty cheapskate. Maybe my expectations are too high and a Energica would be same. Seat on the SR/F felt alright but SR/S felt terrible - I guess there is a fix for that?
Have never seen a Ego/Eva in real life. Nearest dealer is 150 km away (in Sweden) and trying to setup a testride soon.
The italians seem to involve alot more maintenance. Not more than I am used to with the FZ6 but then again... do I bother? Difference is that I have done all maintenance myself for the past 10 years. The Energica needs "service stamps" for the 5 year warranty to last.
Not that worried about chaindrive as I would, like on the Zero, install a Scottoiler.
The CCS charging is an absolute winner. Can't believe that Zero still haven't figured it out. Yes I would rarely need it but without DC fast charging I can kiss any trackday goodbuy on the Zero. At Denmarks biggest track they are setting up DC fast chargers - others will follow.
Have read horrorstories about the Energica being extremely inneficient. Is there any thruth behind it - compared to a Zero?
Any input would be highly appreciated. I am sorry if this particular subject have alread been answered 120 times?
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I can give you the SR/F owner's experience (2000 miles in 2 months from new).
I use it just to whiz about on with nowhere particular in mind. I don't personally have a car any more - my wife's got the only car - so it's my main transport. If we currently had an office to commute to, that's what I'd be using it for, a 50 mile (80km) round trip on twisty little roads. I've tested the commute and it uses 50% of the battery so I don't even need to bother charging it at work.
In the last 2000 miles I've been all over the place, to all the places and routes I used to ride on my many, many ICE bikes of all different shapes and sizes, and it was a bit of an eye-opener as to how I actually use a bike, because in all that time I've never had to use a public charger. I did - once - charge it up at a friend's house who owns a Tesla - but that's because it was 65 miles away and only 4 degrees C outside so I arrived with just 15% battery remaining. Now in the onset of summer the range looks to be a smidge over 100 miles (160km) or so. Most of my riding is on 30mph roads / back lanes / sweepy A-roads, almost no motorway stuff at all.
The SR/F is way, way lighter than the Energicas. I can push the SR/F around up and down hills. I'm 183cm (6' ish) tall, and reasonably strong but by no means buff or fit in any way, and I could barely move an SS9 off the side of the road when it (ahem..) broke down.
The quality of the Energica's components is somewhat higher than the Zero, but that's essentially the difference in what you're paying for. The SR/F is much, much cheaper, but not shoddy. Feel free to put a fancier shock and fork internals in it, and replace all the nuts and bolts with titanium.
Things I love about the SR/F:
1. Belt drive. So far, absolutely no maintenance, and really quiet. One of the best bits, IMHO.
2. Reasonable weight and very low seat height. I can manage it.
3. Well-designed, clear, functional, grown-up dash (though the control could be more slick).
4. Headlight. Good throw, bright, easily adjusted.
5. Range. 70-110 miles (110-170km) realistic range depending on temperature and speed. I get 100 miles regularly. I'm not very fast though.
6. Sound. The sound is quiet, but not silent, and the sound it makes is actually very pleasing yet it bothers absolutely nobody else as you ride past them.
7. Price. But I got £3000 off mine because it was an ex-demo.
8. The tank-hole. That is a seriously useful hole. Though I may fill it with a 6KW charge tank.
9. Speed. It's seriously fast, easily faster than I ever need to go. I've even set a restriction on it so it won't go over 75mph (120kmh). I reaches that speed quicker than I can really process.
10. Heated grips. The Zero heated grips are very good, on a par with BMW.
11. So far, not one single problem.
With a full 12KW of charging capacity installed it can be filled up in just over an hour from the very commonly available 22KW AC chargers that are everywhere, so it might not be so onerous at the track as you think. It will take you half a morning to run it flat by which time you'll be needing a proper rest anyway.
Things that are not so good in no particular order.
1. Premium model has 6KW of charging installed but at home it only uses half of it unless you give it 3-phase power! Which almost nobody has at home in the UK because it costs several thousand quid to have installed.
2. Handling is best described as OK. It is little odd feeling because, I suspect, of a lack of gyroscopic forces from a big crank, and a fairly agressively front-biased weight distribution. The SR/S I believe has nicer setup for the suspension though. I might try softening mine off a bit.
3. The Android app & on-board software is a little janky.
4. The SR/F is really quite tiny, and scrunches me up a little too much. Fortunately as it only does 100 miles this isn't as bad as it sounds.
5. I would have loved CCS charging.
6. As the battery runs down, it gets less and less powerful. (The Energicas do this, too). AIUI, only the LiveWire delivers close to 100% for its entire range though. Be interesting to see them all dynoed at different charges. The last 10% of the indicated SOC is actually a limp mode.
So... that's one perspective.
Cas :)
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I tested the energica ego and eva and for me they where way too heavy. After the testrides I looked for the exact weight of the bikes in the specifications but never found it. They have a button on the handlebar that makes the bike go slowly backwards, you really need it.
They also have a shorter range then expected considering the capacity of the battery. I think the energica is less efficient than the zero. On the other hand, the energica can charge much quiker (if the chargingstation is powerfull enough.)
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Thanks for the replies!!
If Zero SR/S then I would go for the Premium model (with heated grips and 6KW AC charger). It annoys be that the "glove compartment" is ruined if I want faster charging. Energicas setup with faster DC and slower AC is extremely convenient.
I already have a 3 phase AC charger at my house :)
Denmark is slowly but steadily being piled up with public DC chargers (besides Teslas). Circle K (gas stations) are for example slowly setting up 300KW DC stations - yes I know Energicas "only" charge with 20KW.
At the most popular track I would quickly have problems with the Zero. Wanting as much power available but not able to use the CCS plug from the fastcharger... :o
About weight. I am 182cm and fairly fit (not heavy). Also slightly worried about the extra weight on the Energicas but I just need to test it out.
It is annoying that Energicas (supposedly) are less efficient. Having that more expensive larger 21,5 kWh helps alot.
If I compare it to my Model 3 Long Range (realistic everyday range)...
1800 kg EV:
480 km / 75 kWh = 6,4 km/kWh
Energica (pure guessing):
200 km / 21,5 kWh = 9,3 km/kWh
Zero SR/S:
160 km / 14,5 = 11,03 km/kWh
Those bikes... how can they not achieve more than that? On the other hand my FZ6 only gets around 18-20 km/L... my Fiat Grande Punto 1,4 T-jet was even close to that. Some bikes are just setup for more fun :)
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Well, firstly, because they don't actually have the stated capacity - the 14.4KWh unit actually only has ~12KWh of usable charge in the 100...0% range. And secondly of course because bikes fly through the air in exactly the same way that bricks don't, being a terribly ungainly shape, so cars rapidly meet them on efficiency once the speeds get past motorway limits.
As you have 3-phase power I'd advise getting the SR/S with 6KW charge tank in it, which means you can go out for a morning, come home and charge it up to full in just a lunchtime, then go out all afternoon on it; and if you're ever anywhere where there isn't a DC fast charger installed (that's more or less everywhere that isn't on a highway, at least here anyway) then you'll still be charging up super quick where the Energicas and Harleys will be stuck with their hopelessly slow on board AC charging for hours and hours.
Cas :)
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You had me laughing at the brick comment ;D
Well the point of a bike is going the B-roads - like you kind of wrote...
I guess I am now 30/70 in favour of the SR/S Premium. I guess I just have to try out the Italians to see if they are really worth the extra $.
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I guess I am now 30/70 in favour of the SR/S Premium. I guess I just have to try out the Italians to see if they are really worth the extra $.
What's the price difference between a SR/S with 12 kW charging and a Eva SS9+ or Ribelle in Denmark? In Austria, the SS9+ was 500 EUR cheaper than the SR/S (which has half the charging speed), so my choice was very easy 8)
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Danish price for a new SR/S Premium 6kW (excluding chargetank) is DKK 189.900 = EUR 25.500
I would be looking at mobile.de where there are several SR/S that are almost new... and save quite a lot.
Taxes for importing to Denmark should still be low.
Danish price for Energica? There is no official dealer but their website says minimum EUR 29.000 for a Ribelle and then I haven't ticked any boxes.
Again I would scout mobile.de for something gently used.
Another issue is that most used Energicas are red and I don't really like that. Too bad they ditched that pearl white. Would end up giving some extra get the colored parts repaintet. The grey SR/S with darkgold rims is truly good looking.
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My reasons for going with Energica instead of Zero are the following:
- DC Fast Charging
- Liquid cooled inverter and motor - this is really important if you ever plan on doing track days
- Premium parts
- Looks beautiful!
- Energicas in USA at least, are priced very competitively vs the SR/F & SR/S
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If the Zero is cheaper for you, go with that. I ordered an Energica because it was about the same price as a 'comparable' Zero, but the performance was better and DC fast charging is a game changer for longer trips (watch the NewZeroland videos on YouTube for an idea of how it helps). But if you're just going short distances and/or using it as a commuter, a cheaper Zero will be fine. I also think the Energicas look so much better, (Ducati-esque, which makes sense considering their country of origin) but that's personal preference.
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I'm surprised the Ribelle costs that much. In the US it starts at $22,400. For such a large difference you might even be better off buying a US model and importing it. I'm just speculating on that, as I don't know what it takes to import an American EM into Denmark.
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Frankly I'm more of a fan of the Energica. I've owned both. After a couple thousand miles on both, I find the Energica fit and finish is much better and i love the DC fast charge. Then again, I ride quite a bit all year round - I tend to put a couple of hundred miles on the bike over the weekend and DC fast charging comes in handy. I have a level2 (9.6kw) plug at my house - so overnight charging is not problem. Also, I don't find the Energica to heavy - but then again I've been riding bikes for over 40 years and have owned plenty of heavier bikes - so it doesn't bother me, especially at riding speed.
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I'm surprised the Ribelle costs that much. In the US it starts at $22,400. For such a large difference you might even be better off buying a US model and importing it. I'm just speculating on that, as I don't know what it takes to import an American EM into Denmark.
Energica's likely selling at a loss here to stand a fighting chance on Zero's turf.
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I'm surprised the Ribelle costs that much. In the US it starts at $22,400. For such a large difference you might even be better off buying a US model and importing it. I'm just speculating on that, as I don't know what it takes to import an American EM into Denmark.
I'll not be considering importing from anywhere else than EU. Taxes will be insane (closing up to EU price) and I will most likely not be able to AC charge unless the AC unit (no not the aircondition) is swapped for EU version.
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I am in doubt... do I want the Zero SR/S or en Energica Eva/Ego? Oh boy these 1st world problems are tough!
That would be a tough choice for me also. :-\
Buy both! That will solve your problem! ;)
The Energica has DCFC and a reverse. Can change regen in any mode. Six traction control settings.
The SR/S can have a center stand and better luggage. Better AC charging, but no DCFC.
You have to decide which features you like the best. A lot of it will be based on where you ride the most.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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I am in doubt... do I want the Zero SR/S or en Energica Eva/Ego? Oh boy these 1st world problems are tough!
That would be a tough choice for me also. :-\
Buy both! That will solve your problem! ;)
The Energica has DCFC and a reverse. Can change regen in any mode. Six traction control settings.
The SR/S can have a center stand and better luggage. Better AC charging, but no DCFC.
You have to decide which features you like the best. A lot of it will be based on where you ride the most.
-Don- Auburn, CA
The other thing that isn't mentioned very often is that Zeros have noticeably less maintenance requirements than do the Energicas, which will make life easier on your typical motorcycle owner who no longer cares much for the cost or hassle of vehicle serving.
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Sam of NewZeroLand has a video of performing maintenance on his Energica. That pretty much turned me off of getting one... The Zero requires far less maintenance and I prefer riding than wrenching any day of the week.
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Sam of NewZeroLand has a video of performing maintenance on his Energica. That pretty much turned me off of getting one... The Zero requires far less maintenance and I prefer riding than wrenching any day of the week.
Yeah, I should have mentioned that also. But it's not that big of a deal, IMO. It will give me something to do. I recall seeing that video of the maintenance, but I think Sam did more than was really necessary, but I am glad he covered it all.
But I do wish the Energica had a center stand that could be used for stuff such as removing wheels and other such servicing. I do have the thingies to put the wheels up, but they normally require two people and I am usually alone these days., being widowed (cancer) for five years, after 43 years together.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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I have a $30 Harbor Freight track stand. No attachments required for the bike, the swingarm fits perfectly into the provided channels on the lift. The Zero is the only bike in my garage that does NOT have a centerstand and is the one that requires it the most (the K1200LT is a shaft drive, and the XMAX has the motor mounted on the swingarm with a fully enclosed drive system). Only the Zero needs to be put up on a stand to periodically check the belt tension (though I haven't had to adjust it once since I've owned it).
I had to replace the belt once when the outer protective rubber cover dried out and started cracking and falling off. I'm not the only one to experience this, there were a couple of others here who have as well. Now once a month I wipe down the outer cover with Armor-All and so far the belt hasn't shown any sign of repeating that failing. FWIW, I do NOT consider that normal wear and tear, but Zero would not reimburse me the price of a new belt or the labor to have it installed. >:(
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I have a $30 Harbor Freight track stand. No attachments required for the bike, the swingarm fits perfectly into the provided channels on the lift. The Zero is the only bike in my garage that does NOT have a centerstand and is the one that requires it the most (the K1200LT is a shaft drive, and the XMAX has the motor mounted on the swingarm with a fully enclosed drive system). Only the Zero needs to be put up on a stand to periodically check the belt tension (though I haven't had to adjust it once since I've owned it).
I had to replace the belt once when the outer protective rubber cover dried out and started cracking and falling off. I'm not the only one to experience this, there were a couple of others here who have as well. Now once a month I wipe down the outer cover with Armor-All and so far the belt hasn't shown any sign of repeating that failing. FWIW, I do NOT consider that normal wear and tear, but Zero would not reimburse me the price of a new belt or the labor to have it installed. >:(
I also have the HFT stand along with several others. But with the Zeros, I use a small Black Widow lift (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hXvuN1XfEg) and get both wheels off the ground. Easy for one person to use with a Zero. Just remember to hold the bike when you bring it back down!
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Here is what I use to lift my Zeros, starting with my 2012 model. It is a Drag Specialties lift.
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Here is what I use to lift my Zeros, starting with my 2012 model. It is a Drag Specialties lift.
I think that is the same one as mine, but marketed under a different name.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Here is what I use to lift my Zeros, starting with my 2012 model. It is a Drag Specialties lift.
I think that is the same one as mine, but marketed under a different name.
-Don- Auburn, CA
I wouldn't be surprised. The only way I knew the brand name was that it is embossed on the rubber pad of the jack. Likely, a glue-on for each company that orders one from the factory. ;)
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Other questions...
Backseat
Whats the backseat and especially footpeg position like for passengers?
When bike turns electric its way more likely I will be taking sunday rides with wifey on the back. She hates how the FZ6 makes her hair smell like gas... Have tried to compare pictures of SR/S and EVA/EGO - it looks quite similar to me but in generel the SR/S seems like a lower bike than EGO/EVA (rear seat hight I mean). FZ6 passenger footpeg position it not that comfortable and I suspect especially EVA/EGO is much worse (even more tucked up / very bent knees). This is not a dealbreaker - just curious.
Maybe EGO/EVA's passenger footpegs can easily be removed to make something custom? Or is the base of the 90 degree passenger foot joint welded?
Weight
Found an interesting 2018 EGO on mobile.de... Of course it has the small battery and very short range (80-180) but it's half the price of a new with big battery. Is there a significant weight difference between the small and big battery EGO/EVA?
Old/New Energica
Any other known big differences or are we down to small bits and pieces between a 2-3 year old and new model Energica's.
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The newer Energica is lighter, but the older bike stays cooler at highway operation than the newer one. They moved some of the metal around to fit more cells in.
-Crissa
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So the new big battery Energica is lighter than a 3 year old small battery one?
Or do you mean that a new small battery Ego is lighter than the same model 3 years ago? The Ego is still available for order with both sizes.
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So the new big battery Energica is lighter than a 3 year old small battery one?
Or do you mean that a new small battery Ego is lighter than the same model 3 years ago? The Ego is still available for order with both sizes.
The larger battery is 60% more power-dense and is significantly lighter. Although I know they still list the smaller battery models for sale, I don't think there have been any orders for them since the release of the 21.5kWh models.
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Ohh... so we are talking pretty close to 300kg then with the small battery :-[
As far as I remember the Ego with 21,5 battery is about 270kg?
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I believe those are the manufacturer's listed specs, yes.
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Damn… that kind of killed some of the interest in one I was eyeing.
It is a white one with the lime front fender. I wish they still made those. Unfortunately don’t like the red and the grey is so subtle that a car might not spot me.
But very few parts to paint if that ends up being the case.
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The larger battery is 60% more power-dense and is significantly lighter. Although I know they still list the smaller battery models for sale, I don't think there have been any orders for them since the release of the 21.5kWh models.
Right now, all Energicas are hot. I hear they ran out of parts and you cannot buy them, at least not in the SF bay area, for a while. All they had at the Livermore shop was their demo bike which they cannot sell for a few more months. They have a waiting list, so it will be a while before the shop has any. I think the pandemic has caused them a lot of problems, so I expect it will soon get better. But don't expect anything new for 2022 models.
-Don- Reno, NV
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There are quite a few new or almost new at dealers in Germany.
The one I am eyeing is from a private seller. White EGO from 2018, 8500 km, 14500€ (about 17600 USD).
It is of course the small battery. All service and updates at dealership. According to text it is mint condition.
Given my daily commute is only 50 km in total I am pretty close to saying I want this.
The only interesting track in Denmark is, unfortunately, 300 km away, but they are building a 400 kW charger during the summer. The trip to it might be a bummer but even with the small battery EGO I should, with the DC fastcharger, be able to keep full power during the sessions. But this is maybe once a year so I shouldn't be basing everything on this.
The downside could be that it's hard to sell (due to the poor range) and everyone wants long range. On the other side I am not going to loose as much money from buying this than buying an almost new 21,5 kWh model. I have had my Yamaha FZ6 for 15 years and I don't expect to keep the EGO that long. Don't want to buy a new battery - especially since I won't be able to upgrade to the bigger pack.
Please tell that I have nothing to worry about with these "older" batterypacks. We bought a Tesla Model 3 (DualMotor) last year and I have zero worries about that batterypack.
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The downside could be that it's hard to sell (due to the poor range) and everyone wants long range.
I find my range to be just right on my 2020 SS9--as long as there are enough CCS charge stations. By the time I come close to running out of juice is about the same time I need a break. So I see the issue as needing more charge stations more so than needing more range on a charge. If I only need to charge to 80% SOC, then the break time is also just the right amount of time as well.
But to have both is the best, of course.
-Don- Reno, NV
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I bought the Zero SR/S. All bikes eventually need parts and service and there are no Energica dealers within 150 miles of me. Do not have a truck, van, or even car with a trailer hitch so not practical for a bike I ride most days.
I like the looks and specs of the Energica models and it would have been interesting to see which one I would have bought if they were both locally available.
Also looked at the Livewire but have some doubts about its longevity on the marker and future support, - also a bit too expensive.
Although I have had some issues with my Zero I am very happy with my purchase and dealer support. I would buy it again.
The ergonomics of the SR/S works perfectly for me, it has sufficient range for most of my rides, and the handling and performance exceeds my ability and needs by a wide margin. It is now my only bike, sold all of my ICE bikes when I bought the Zero.
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One other thing to consider is the warranty.
The Enegricas have a pretty short battery warranty potentially leaving you with a very expensive pile of scrap or repair.
Zero has a 5-year battery warranty and you get the latest pack size if your old battery fails. Quite a few people were upgraded from 13 to 14.4KwH batteries this way.
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While Zero was handing out batteries like candy at the start it's much harder to get a warranty claim on them these days. I can't imagine it's a sustainable business model for Zero.
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For Zero's battery replacements, who pays for the new pack? Zero or Farasis?
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I'm fairly certain, but not 100% sure, that it's Zero.
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Zero has a 5-year battery warranty and you get the latest pack size if your old battery fails. Quite a few people were upgraded from 13 to 14.4KwH batteries this way.
As well as 6.5 to 7.2 as in the case with my DS.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Will ask Energica about price and if how long they offer the small battery as spare part.
The 2018 I been eyeing.
Is does not have CruiseControl (seller has installed a manual thingy for this) and also no heated grips (don’t care much for this). Does this mean it also has no traction control? Wiki text seems like it was 3 things that was added for 2019 models?
Well I am used to no ABS and no nothing on the FZ6, but I would like some kind of traction control with 200 Nm :/
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I don't think you get any of those things. Hopefully that 2018 is an amazing deal, otherwise I'd go for the Zero.
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It's sold now I think... but yeah I don't think I want 200Nm without traction control. I am no novice but no superpro either - anything can happen and traction control might save my butt.
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There's 'some' sort of traction control. Even on my 2014 S. It's just, the old the bike, the dumber the traction controls.
-Crissa
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There's no traction control on pre-2019 Energicas. The TC has saved my ass a few times already (only saw the TC light blinking) accelerating out of corners when the asphalt was cold. I wouldn't recommend taking one without.
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The next bike I purchase will definitely have traction control. The closest call I had was going over a bridge that had a steel plate on it and my rear wheel went zzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. Definitely woke me up.
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If there is any sort of traction control, other than your wrist, on either my old 2014 or my current 2018 Zero S, I sure never noticed it. ;)
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If there is any sort of traction control, other than your wrist, on either my old 2014 or my current 2018 Zero S, I sure never noticed it. ;)
Nope. But the SR/F and SR/S have traction control. My Energica has six settings for traction control. Seven if "off" counts. But one would be fine with me as I just put it in the middle. I keep it on "3" and forget about it.
-Don- Reno, NV
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If there is any sort of traction control, other than your wrist, on either my old 2014 or my current 2018 Zero S, I sure never noticed it. ;)
Output is limited to a curve. It's not adaptive in any way, and only applies from start, afaik.
The Energica has straight up lowered torque at city speeds.
It's some control, but not none.
-Crissa
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Output is limited to a curve. It's not adaptive in any way, and only applies from start, afaik.
The Energica has straight up lowered torque at city speeds.
It's some control, but not none.
Sorry to say that, but that ain't traction control which involves some kind of feedback. That's just a mapping.
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I leave my SR/F in "Street" mode for traction in my custom settings (100% everything else). I've not yet had a wheel slip accelerating in over 7K miles. I had lots of them with my 2016 DSR (one left me sliding down my driveway wondering what the heck just happened). I would also not buy another electric bike without traction control.
Steve
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It was the main thing that stopped my buying a DSR instead of the SRF. Even the FX is a liability without TC, and >30 years of experience tells me that the more confident I was of being able to control it the more certain I was to lose it :D
Cas :)
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I leave my SR/F in "Street" mode for traction in my custom settings (100% everything else). I've not yet had a wheel slip accelerating in over 7K miles. I had lots of them with my 2016 DSR (one left me sliding down my driveway wondering what the heck just happened). I would also not buy another electric bike without traction control.
Does the SR/F conflate power modes and traction control or can you set those separately?
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Separately, and easily changed on the road while riding too.
Cas :)
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Separately, and easily changed on the road while riding too.
Cas :)
Anybody here have a SR/S Standard with a charge tank?
Would that make more sense than a SR/S Premium if there is no desire for a POWER tank?
Is there any difference between the standard and premium SR/S besides the 3KW more charging on the SR/S Premium?
I have been thinking about buying a Zero SR/S with all the luggage, centerstand, etc. for here in the Reno area where there are J-1772 stations almost everywhere.
And has charging on hot days been an issue on the SR/S? At least the charger heat is above the battery instead of below it, unlike on my 2017 Zeros when the OBC is being used, just below the battery.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Separately, and easily changed on the road while riding too.
Cas :)
Anybody here have a SR/S Standard with a charge tank?
Would that make more sense than a SR/S Premium if there is no desire for a POWER tank?
Is there any difference between the standard and premium SR/S besides the 3KW more charging on the SR/S Premium?
I have been thinking about buying a Zero SR/S with all the luggage, centerstand, etc. for here in the Reno area where there are J-1772 stations almost everywhere.
You can do that but how many J1772 stations offer more than 6.6kW in your area? Or were you looking to get the Scott Harkless mod?
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Is there any difference between the standard and premium SR/S besides the 3KW more charging on the SR/S Premium?
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I believe there is also heated grips on the Premium but doesn't sound like that's a thing you'd be using ;D
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You can do that but how many J1772 stations offer more than 6.6kW in your area? Or were you looking to get the Scott Harkless mod?
Many. 40 amp (9.6 KW) J-plugs (or more) or fairly common in the areas I ride. So are the 16KW Tesla stations that I should be able to use with a Tesla Tap.
See here (https://www.plugshare.com/location/119255) (The 8KW has been replaced with a 9.6 KW, see my check-in). and here (https://www.plugshare.com/location/72044) and here (https://www.plugshare.com/location/44582) and here (https://www.plugshare.com/location/44583) As high as 70 amps from a J-plug. Be sure to read my check-ins, because some of these have been replaced to a higher power J-plug than stated on Plugshare.
I have used most of these at ~8KW with no problems, but I cannot be 100% certain they can go up to their full rating on the machine. IOW, I realize it is very possible to have a 70 amp capable station on a 30 amp breaker and such.
What is the Scott Harkless mod?
-Don- Reno, NV
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I believe there is also heated grips on the Premium but doesn't sound like that's a thing you'd be using ;D
Yeah, I ride mostly ICE bikes in the winter and more electric in the summer.
If it's cold, I will be riding my TTSE with heated grips, heated seat, traction control, ABS, etc.
If I want really hot hands, I will ride my Harley. It is analog for grip heat and at max, it is almost too hot to touch.
My Moto Guzzi also has hearted grips.
I don't even want heated grips on any of my electrics. Electric motorcycles are a poor choice when very cold, IMO.
Engine heat is also nice on cold days! I prefer the no heat on electrics in the summer.
At least until it gets too hot to charge as I recently have been through, trying to get home from Carson City on my Zero DS that was too hot to charge.
-Don- Reno, NV
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When I got the SR/F back in March it was about 4 deg C here, and the heated grips on the Premium are plenty hot enough, like, BMW quality - I was pretty pleased.
Charging the other day in 23 deg C heat after a 70 mile trip on a 22KW charger, battery temp never got above halfway the whole time. I've had it charging without trouble sitting in the sunshine with the dash reading 33 deg C on the granny cable @ 240V/21A. Over 23 degrees and I will very unlikely be riding it as that's unbearably hot.
Cas :)