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[DonTom]

Double the battery capacity and only slightly more range than Tesla?  Yawn.

I am at least glad to see the range war is on. Even with E-motorcycles with Energica upping the ante with their 21.5 KWH battery. I wonder what Zero will have next for a battery KWH rating and range.

-Don-  Auburn, CA

[alko]

Double the battery capacity and only slightly more range than Tesla?  Yawn.

I am at least glad to see the range war is on. Even with E-motorcycles with Energica upping the ante with their 21.5 KWH battery. I wonder what Zero will have next for a battery KWH rating and range.

-Don-  Auburn, CA

I agree. I believe Zero will up the capacity for 2021 as well. And from what I've been reading, Graphene and Solid State batteries are just around the corner. Graphene perhaps sooner than Solid State if they can get the cost down.

[princec]

I await both technologies before I take the final plunge.

Cas

[Richard230]

The only problem will be that if the batteries are really much of an advancement, it will be a EV feeding frenzy to see which companies can get them quickly.  And likely Zero and other small electric motorcycle companies will have to get in the back of the long and expensive line.

[princec]

The graphene tech is particularly interesting because it requires virtually no changes - same packaging and form factor for the design, just a wee bit of carbon strategically inserted into the process. Graphene probably will arrive a good bit quicker than solid state to the mass market.

Cas

[KrazyEd]

   I want to say YOU'RE WELCOME to everyone here for the New battery from GM.
I am SURE that I am responsible for it, since I purchased my 2020 Bolt In January.
 

[Crissa]

Funny, Ed! ^-^

-Crissa

[KrazyEd]

I was hoping that someone would see the humor.

[DonTom]

   I want to say YOU'RE WELCOME to everyone here for the New battery from GM.
I am SURE that I am responsible for it, since I purchased my 2020 Bolt In January.
 

Likewise, I am responsible Energica's new 21.5 KWH battery because I purchased my Esse Esse 9 a few weeks before they announced it.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[Richard230]

There was an article in my newspaper today regarding the new GM "Ultium Battery Technology".  Here are three quotes from the article written by Peter Douglas:

"Pioneered in conjunction with LG Chem, Ultiums will compete with the incredible batteries made by Tesla. They are fashioned from interlocking cells that are encased in a polymer instead of metal, and they use 70% less cobalt, a problematic metal. GM will mass-produce them at a new plant in Lordstown, Ohio.  They hope to drive battery costs below $100 per KWh, reducing the price of their EVs considerably."

"The Ultium battery cells can be stacked vertically or horizontally to produce lighter batteries in an endless variety of sizes and shapes. The flexibility will allow GM to customize battery configurations for a wide variety of vehicles. Battery capacities will theoretically range from 50 to a whopping 200 KWh. GM claims that their largest arrays will deliver 400 miles on a single charge."

"Most Ultium vehicles will run on 400 volts and accept rapid supercharging at 200 KW. GM's electric trucks will crank the voltage up to 800 and supercharge at a blazing 350 KW!"

[Fran K]

Richard you find lots of good articles, the third and fourth paragraph are quite informative.  As for the second one.

Is that price for the battery or really just for the cells in the battery?

70% less cobalt than what? the most modern 2170 batteries coming out of the giga factory joint venture of Panasonic and Tesla?

[Richard230]

Richard you find lots of good articles, the third and fourth paragraph are quite informative.  As for the second one.

Is that price for the battery or really just for the cells in the battery?

70% less cobalt than what? the most modern 2170 batteries coming out of the giga factory joint venture of Panasonic and Tesla?

Frankly I wasn't all that thrilled with the way the article was written, which is why I placed what I copied in quotes.  I didn't want to be blamed for the poor writing.  I don't know any more than what the author said, however later on he mentioned that GM would be using the batteries on their more expensive models because they generate more profit for the company.  It also didn't sound like they were planning to sell their battery components on the open market.   

[Crissa]

Less than previous GM batteries.  So basically following Tesla.

-Crissa

[Alan Stewart]

Look at the Tesla Cybertruck Tri Motor AWD specs to see where Tesla thinks they will be in late 2021. Greater than 500 miles of EPA range, less than 2.9 second 0-60, greater than 14,000 lbs. towing capacity.

https://www.tesla.com/cybertruck

[princec]

The Cybertruck still faces an uphill battle (ahem ahem, I'll get me coat etc)... the range looks great until it's asked to actually do the work of a real pickup truck, which might be, for example towing a caravan up into the mountains 300 miles away, at which point it suddenly looks pretty a grim idea. I suspect they're going to get serious on that battery and maybe double its size.

Cas