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[Richard230]

Check out minute 11 of this video describing the latest motorcycle manufacturer patents of 2020:

[Sklith]

When demand for 350+kW charging becomes pretty high, you can bet that every major station will have massive battery banks to flatten the power draw.

And for the skepticism around 6C charging, it can be done as long as every cell can be kept at that 50c temperature sweet spot, and this is something Atlis claims their cooling can do.

[Crissa]

A minority of a minority of cars can do that sort of charging doesn't really make for high demand.

-Crissa

[princec]

Tesla supercharging pretty much has it sorted does it not?

Cas

[DonTom]

Tesla supercharging pretty much has it sorted does it not?

Cas

If on the main routes, yes. But there are places in the country where superchargers are out of range, such as here in NV trying to get across the state on US50. It still can be done by slow charging at an RV park, if you have all day, but no superchargers within range of most Teslas. But I assume the 620 mile range 2020 Tesla Roadster can do it.

I wish electric motorcycles could have that type of range. Maybe someday, but I won't be around to see it.


-Don-  Reno, NV

[princec]

I'd be happy with 150.

Cas

[NEW2elec]

Richaed I bet dollars to doughnuts that kickstand charger is only for little 12 volt batteries for gas bikes or the aux battery for electrics.
Just easier to use than a battery tender.
The guy in the video thinks it will charge a whole big battery pack but it won't.  Well maybe in a weeks time but that's about it.

[Richard230]

Richaed I bet dollars to doughnuts that kickstand charger is only for little 12 volt batteries for gas bikes or the aux battery for electrics.
Just easier to use than a battery tender.
The guy in the video thinks it will charge a whole big battery pack but it won't.  Well maybe in a weeks time but that's about it.

I have no idea. But since it might be a BMW product some day, you know that it will be a factory option and cost enough to make your wallet cry.   

And then I wonder what happens if your garage floods, or you spill your beer while working on your bike, as your BMW is recharging. 

[TheRan]

I can't be bothered to go back and find the original post but wasn't the kickstand charger inductive? I swear that was the main reason why it would be so ineffective for charging a high voltage high capacity battery.

[Richard230]

I can't be bothered to go back and find the original post but wasn't the kickstand charger inductive? I swear that was the main reason why it would be so ineffective for charging a high voltage high capacity battery.

The kick stand charger patent was shown at the very end of the video that I posted above, I think it started around minute 11.

[TheRan]

I can't be bothered to go back and find the original post but wasn't the kickstand charger inductive? I swear that was the main reason why it would be so ineffective for charging a high voltage high capacity battery.

The kick stand charger patent was shown at the very end of the video that I posted above, I think it started around minute 11.

Oh right, I didn't bother watching the video originally. That's the patent I was thinking of, it's been posted here previous (might not have been this thread). It's a wireless inductive charger so there's no way to make physical conductive contact with a liquid, assuming it's sealed properly.

[Crissa]

https://insideevs.com/news/348233/electric-car-dc-fast-charging-comparison/

Only the Taycan does 350, and there aren't so many of those.  That's just not going to 'generate' enough demand for really expensive chargers except in a few places.

That's why we need both lots of little chargers and a few big chargers.  If we put all our eggs in one basket, we'll never really break out of the routes we have today.

-Crissa

[princec]

You've got to think about the economics of super-fast charging too... it greatly benefits the owners of said chargers if the people using them hang around for half an hour and buy something while they wait that you can make a ton of money on without upsetting anyone too much. I hear petrol stations make tons of money already on shop sales - this situation will actually improve for them if they can pivot their businesses to fit a bunch of cars in doing "fast but not too fast charges". It's a massive opportunity in retail, which is a sector that's been down in the gutter and kicked in the teeth for some time now.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/312207/petrol-station-shop-sales-in-the-united-kingdom-uk/

Cas

[Crissa]

Yeah, convenience stores are where gas stations profit now a days.

 http://www.nbcnews.com/id/23904590/ns/business-retail/t/stations-hope-you-fill-more-gas/

-Crissa

[togo]

You've got to think about the economics of super-fast charging too... it greatly benefits the owners of said chargers if the people using them hang around for half an hour and buy something while they wait that you can make a ton of money on without upsetting anyone too much. I hear petrol stations make tons of money already on shop sales - this situation will actually improve for them if they can pivot their businesses to fit a bunch of cars in doing "fast but not too fast charges". It's a massive opportunity in retail, which is a sector that's been down in the gutter and kicked in the teeth for some time now.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/312207/petrol-station-shop-sales-in-the-united-kingdom-uk/

Cas

There's a reason Tesla superchargers at malls are often are the 70kW variety rather than the 120+ kW variety