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[Fran K]

And what was said before about the electrical supply - it's not even remotely rated for the sort of loads envisaged.

Except it is.  There is loads more than we need, and most car charging is at night, anyhow.  Sure, we'll need some scheduling, but that's hardly a fancy thing.


-Crissa

You seem to be making a choice for scheduling as opposed to a battery absorbing energy when possible and then charging vehicles as needed.  Re think the recharge

  There is loads more than we need, and most car charging is at night, anyhow. 
…….
We need small chargers everywhere.  Then we can worry about the high-voltage-highwattage chargers needed for road trips.

-Crissa

I guess for you and I to discuss we really need a definition of what a charger is.  More or less my understanding is
A 120 volt outlet and the charger is in the vehicle or a suit case like thing.  I guess the KTM and Alta would be here but 250 volt.  Category 1

Category 2  the charger is still in the vehicle but there is an interface of some sort J1772 or whatever but AC current is what is supplied

Category 3  Dc charging with communication between vehicle and charging device more advanced.

To discuss in an electric motorcycle forum even a definition of we could be in order.  It sure seems to me quite a few folks on here are capable of purchasing a motorcycle new that runs on a 5 1/2 inch wide rear rim.  Such folks should surely have a place to plug it in at their residence.  If you read the comments section for multiple linked articles it is the lack of range especially at the velocity those 5 1/2 inch wide rim bikes are capable of that keeps the motorcycle segment that is electric small. 

Now if "we" is kind of a political issue of how to force things a desired way, why not put all the battery production toward the railroad and over the road long haul trucking where the locomotive or tractor (front half of a semi) could be switched out. 


Fran

[Crissa]

You seem to be making a choice for scheduling as opposed to a battery absorbing energy when possible and then charging vehicles as needed.  Re think the recharge

That's expensive (you need two or more batteries and more equipment) and wasteful (you lose about half the energy).  If you can schedule your re-charge to when it's cheaper, that's a good thing.

Even so, Tesla isn't the first to market to do this, but they've added it to their code.  And it's how I hope to use the next EV I buy.

I'm just saying we need to not think of recharging like gasoline - we need to think of it like parking.  And yes, I already pay for parking.  We all do, whether we think we do or not:  Spread out neighborhoods with surface parking make every trip longer, take more time distance and tenergy.  Spread out buildings consume more energy.  We're always paying for this.

Now if "we" is kind of a political issue of how to force things a desired way, why not put all the battery production toward the railroad and over the road long haul trucking where the locomotive or tractor (front half of a semi) could be switched out.

The vast majority of rail is already using electric-hybrid motors.  Most don't have batteries yet, but where they go into cities they had to be hooked up to electrification.  All of the big passes were originally electrified, because electric motors always had more torque.  We should push to have them electrified again.

This is actually a good place to use hydrogen:  Trains and ships don't care about bulk so much, so bulky fuel doesn't matter.  They also ply pretty static routes, so you can build only a few refueling stations.

And while most lines can be electrified, some can't (like for instance the ones in my county) so they're looking at hydrogen and battery solutions.

But just like converting lamp posts and parking meters to L2 charging points... We need to create the political will to build it.

-Crissa

And this is clearly the holy grail of charging solutions:  https://www.electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=9991.msg84469#new

It saves energy by allowing direct connection to DC micro-generation or consumption.  My friend with two EVs (an old Leaf he rents and a Bolt he drives for Lyft when he's not at his day job) will salivate over this.  He has a home built powerwall, a solar system, a Tesla powerwall, and this in the middle would make all work together seamlessly.

[togo]

The idea that we have charging stations in each set of restaurants or downtown shopping areas is exactly why all Whole Foods have them.  Why Costcos have gas stations - and should have charging stations.

-Crissa

Maybe where you live.  NONE of the Whole Foods markets around here have charging stations that I can see...

It's a California thing, maybe.  Expensive EVgo CCS/chademo stations.  Network created as an Enron-era settlement.  They'll charge a Tesla at about 1/3 the rate and cost 10% more than a Tesla Supercharger. Charging an Energica costs about 20% more than that and a Live Wire at about 20% more than that.

[Crissa]

The annoying thing about the Whole Foods chargers is that they replaced the previous paddles and J-plugs they had instead of adding to them.

Which means I don't go to Whole Foods 'cause why would I?  I'll go downtown to New Leaf and plug in if I need to.

-Crissa

[gregj]

Partially related to this topic. This is a vid from MotoGP.com about the MotoE safety measures and charging . Sorry but it probably will only work if you have the MotoGP video pass.
https://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2020/03/11/new-motoe-safety-measures-come-into-effect-for-2020/328019

[princec]

I foresee a rejuvenation of the motel industry.

Cas

[togo]

> The annoying thing about the Whole Foods chargers is that they replaced the previous paddles and J-plugs they had instead of adding to them.

Paddle chargers?  Really?

[Crissa]

Well, I don't begrudge them changing out the paddles since nearly all those vehicles are fifteen, twenty years old and not common on the road ever.  But the J-plugs are gone which was my point.

-Crissa

[togo]

Yeah. But I bet they were free and they probably had cheapskates hogging them all the time not shopping. A better approach would have been to a little, so there's no savings over charging at home.

How many paddle chargers were there?

[NEW2elec]

So Atlis trucks has stated their new approach to battery design allows them to go from 0% SOC to 100% SOC in 10 minutes.
They say they want a truck that does what any gas truck will do as a work truck and refuel in a short time since time is money.
It sounds like their goal is what I've stated here has to happen for mass EV adoption.   
Here's Nikki to tell you all about it.

[NEW2elec]

Thanks Don.

[Crissa]

I don't think that will help EV adoption because that requires a big change to the grid.  Large pulses of power are just not going to be okay far from sub stations, which means the fastest charging points will be in weird places.

We need more common charging that doesn't require rewiring our cities.  It we aren't willing to do the one, we won't be willing to do the other, either.

-Crissa

[NEW2elec]

Fewer charging stations that can charge in 10 minutes > a bunch of 110V outlets for the masses.

"Look honey we need to charge up"  "Ok dear.  Do you see an Exon windmill solar tower charging station around?"  "Oh honey of course how can we miss it, they are 100 feet tall."

"I'm going inside to use the restroom."  "Better hurry up, in 10 minutes I'm leaving without you."  "Oh you kidder you."

(Plot twist, he wasn't kidding)   

[valnar]

So Atlis trucks has stated their new approach to battery design allows them to go from 0% SOC to 100% SOC in 10 minutes.

So its a lithium (LiNiMnCo 'ish) battery being charged at 6C.  I don't buy it.

[princec]

Well, they never claimed it wouldn't explode at the end did they?

Cas