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[NEW2elec]

Ah the Tesla Roadster II.    Believe me if I could afford it that would be my final car. 
I hope and mostly trust that the car will have all those specs but to be completely fair it hasn't been proven yet.

But also to be fair almost a quarter million is more than just a little expensive.  Again if I were in the super car market that is the one I'd have.

But as to other EVs, as we're talking about the refueling/recharging process, most don't come close to Tesla or Porsche for fast charging.
Your logical and you do seem to travel a great deal but it's the 9 to 5 crowd who frankly likely don't like their jobs and hate their commute that resents the idea of having to wait around to go more miles when they didn't have to in their gas car.

It may only happen once or twice a month or even a year but that will sour some people off of it for good.  I see so many very low mile EVs coming up for sale.  Even factoring leases in, it's a very high number and when we know the best way to recoup the high up front cost is to really put miles on them I can't think of another reason for the quick resale.

As for charging stations, almost all of them.  The 6kw stations will be free charging perks at some locations, but the business model doesn't work to make a profit.  If they keep crashing or when the charging cable wears out I feel they will just go away.  I saw them as EV buying bait in the first place.  You can plug in but your not going far for your time.

The Taycan was supposed to charge at up to 450W but I see reports it's going at 250W.  That's fast by today's standards for sure but people want is sub 15 minute charging to "full" because that's what they have now.

[Crissa]

...for most people even on 120 VAC even at 3 MPH of charge.

IMO, the main reason we hear all the excuses against EVs is because most people do not like changes. People fear what they know very little about.

This.

The problem is, people buy cars for that once-a-year trip.

-Crissa

[JaimeC]

...for most people even on 120 VAC even at 3 MPH of charge.

IMO, the main reason we hear all the excuses against EVs is because most people do not like changes. People fear what they know very little about.

This.

The problem is, people buy cars TRUCKS for that once-a-year trip.

-Crissa

There... fixed it for you.

[Crissa]

There... fixed it for you.

I doubt it's different.  But it is probably why they buy trucks, too.

-Crissa

[JaimeC]

Every morning I just shake my head in wonder at all of the giant SUVs with just one person in it, and the big pickup trucks with one person and empty beds commuting back and forth.  Seriously... WTF?? 

[Crissa]

People don't think of TCO and dollars per mile.

-Crissa

[DonTom]

The problem is, people buy cars for that once-a-year trip.

An RV is the better way for a once or twice per year trip, if an over-nigher. And I would be in the market for a decent E-RV, if they ever make one with a reasonable way to charge such on the road along with at least a 400 mile range, as with the RV I now own.

I was born too long ago for some of the things I want to see. I am sure they are coming, but I will most likely be dead by then. Seems E-RVs are not even yet in the vapor-ware stages.

-Don-  Auburn, CA

[Fran K]

People don't think of TCO and dollars per mile.

-Crissa

That is a whole different discussion and not sure the electric advocates like some ways of analyzing it.  What is expensive is tipping over or worse.  The thread pertains to charging which is kind of uncertain of the cost unless at home or work or at the town hall or food/spirit establishment etc.  Maybe like the bathroom and air not always the way it is supposed to be.  Do we buy tesla stock with the monies saved with ice?

[NEW2elec]

The problem is, people buy cars for that once-a-year trip.

An RV is the better way for a once or twice per year trip, if an over-nigher. And I would be in the market for a decent E-RV, if they ever make one with a reasonable way to charge such on the road along with at least a 400 mile range, as with the RV I now own.

I was born too long ago for some of the things I want to see. I am sure they are coming, but I will most likely be dead by then. Seems E-RVs are not even yet in the vapor-ware stages.

-Don-  Auburn, CA

Don just go to YT and type in Electric RV and there are all kinds that pop up.  They aint cheap but they're out there.

[JaimeC]

Back to the subject at hand:  Since, even with DCFC, recharging is going to take longer than refueling, it would make sense that the charging stations be located where you can kill time; preferably something that'll help the property owner make some money (because in the end, it's ALL about the money).

I'm reminded of the time DECADES ago, when Nolan Bushnell sold Atari to Time Warner.  Part of the deal was that he would have to stay AWAY from the video game industry for a period of years (I can't remember how long it was).  Like many people looking for a job at that time, he looked to the fast food industry.

Americans LOVE hot dogs, hamburgers and pizza.  Why, he wondered, were there no "Fast Food Pizza" chains?  In his research, he learned that there is no way to make pizza quickly, it's going to take as long as it will (kind of like grits from "My Cousin Vinny") so he took another tact:  What about if his pizza restaurants gave his customers something to do while they waited for their pizza?  And thus was "Chuck E. Cheese" born.

They are a shadow of their former self, but you can still find them.  But back in the day they were a gold mine and Bushnell made a fortune on it before he sold the chain and got back into electronics.

This is the kind of thinking that needs to go into charging stations, I think... FREE charging... but the opportunity to spend money while you're waiting.  Shopping Malls are a natural, so are multiplex cinemas.  Many Cracker Barrels now have charging stations as well which is ironic because they started out as gas stations (believe it or not).

[DonTom]

Don just go to YT and type in Electric RV and there are all kinds that pop up.  They aint cheap but they're out there.

Yeah. I know about the short range ones, which is a start. But for an RV,  a short range is not practical. I want around the same range as my ICE RV, which is around 500 miles. And ways to recharge on the road.   Not much room for RVs at many of the charging stations.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[DonTom]

Back to the subject at hand:  Since, even with DCFC, recharging is going to take longer than refueling, it would make sense that the charging stations be located where you can kill time; preferably something that'll help the property owner make some money (because in the end, it's ALL about the money).

So far, every DC fast charger I have seen fits your criteria, just some locations are better than others, depending mainly on what you wanna do.

It's a requirement for Tesla Superchargers to be at a place that has at least a restaurant and rest room within a short walking distance. But I find that to be the case with all DC chargers anyway. At least at the places I have been to.

-Don-   Reno, NV

[JaimeC]

Wish I could say the same about the Chargepoint Level2 AC chargers around here.  A lot of them are at really odd locations (for example, the easternmost station I could find is on Shelter Island at a police station).  You do need more time for that kind of charge than you do for DCFC, so it would make sense.  I'm planning an "Around Long Island" loop this Spring or Summer; roughly a 200 mile loop.  Be nice to have some options to kill an hour or so recharging...

[DonTom]

Wish I could say the same about the Chargepoint Level2 AC chargers around here.  A lot of them are at really odd locations (for example, the easternmost station I could find is on Shelter Island at a police station).  You do need more time for that kind of charge than you do for DCFC, so it would make sense.  I'm planning an "Around Long Island" loop this Spring or Summer; roughly a 200 mile loop.  Be nice to have some options to kill an hour or so recharging...

Yeah, not all J-1772 stations are at good locations, not even in this area. But most of them are at casinos here in Reno which always have a restaurant or two (or more).

But J-1772 stations  are also at  places such as the Sparks, NV  City Hall, libraries and some train stations that are kinda out of the way.

But the only DC fast chargers that I can think of without at least a  restaurant close by are  those at some of the Harley shops. But the Harley shops at least have a restroom--and a place to spend some money, such as 30K$ on a new Livewire. 

-Don-  Reno, NV

[togo]

> But the Harley shops at least have a restroom--and a place to spend some money, such as 30K$ on a new Livewire. 

More likely to get offended that your non HD is there tempting real HD customers...