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[ultrarnr]

Because in the US without CCS charging on the Live Wire you would only have L1. The EU can take advantage of the 11kw charging that is possible on the SR/F. L2 charging that is faster than 6.6 is rare in the US.

[BigPoppa]

That's the issue I think. The Livewire's competition in the US (SR/F and Energicas) will do actual L2 charging, whether at 3kw or 6kw in the case of the SR/F Premium.

The Livewire completely misses the large L2 infrastructure for charging making the bike useless if you don't have access to L3/DC chargers which I believe is the reason they forced dealers that are selling the Livewire to install DC chargers. It also looks like HD has signed a partnership with one of the DC charger providers to provide free DC charging for Livewire owners for a period of time. I guess in an attempt to address the public charging shortcomings.

[ultrarnr]

H-D signed an agreement with Electrify America for free charging. While VW has done a great job installing DCFC systems around the US they do have their growing pains. If you check on Plugshare you will see examples where people couldn't get any of the chargers to work.

[MVetter]

Like... maybe it's just me but the promise of CCS should bring, along with it, the promise of 2C+ charging. These aren't massive batteries. The stations have MORE than enough power to supply it.

[DonTom]

L2 charging that is faster than 6.6 is rare in the US.

I  wonder why, as any of my three houses can all do 240 VAC @ 48 amps which comes to 11,520 watts at my Tesla Wall Stations. But I use a Tesla Tap to work with my Zeros with a couple of Quick-Chargers, which is only a few thousand watts.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[ultrarnr]

MVetter, But a much higher charging power also brings a much sooner taper. Right now my Eva 107 starts to taper at about 67% SOC. My Model 3 starts to taper at around 47%. And when you look at the V3 Superchargers they will taper even sooner. I am not sure max power is as important as what the taper curve looks like as far as charging speed goes.

[NEW2elec]

The new Audi Etron is addressing the taper issue by telling you we're limiting you usable range.  They have a 95kWh battery but you only get the range of about a 70 kWh battery so you can charge at a high rate all the way to your usable "full".  We'll see if that bit if marketing works for them.

[DonTom]

The new Audi Etron is addressing the taper issue by telling you we're limiting you usable range.  They have a 95kWh battery but you only get the range of about a 70 kWh battery so you can charge at a high rate all the way to your usable "full".  We'll see if that bit if marketing works for them.

I would think most would rather have the extra 25KWH of range.  Sounds like a dumb idea to me as  you can still have the choice to charge to 70 KWH with a 95KWH capacity. So all they are really doing is limiting your choice.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[DonTom]

BTW, anybody here planning on buying a LW?

-Don-  Reno, NV

[NEW2elec]

DonTom the report on Transport Evolved said their research showed people valued the "gas pump experience" so a faster charge up is what  these, lets say EV wary, customers wanted.
Now I agree I wouldn't want it but it may also be a way for companies to be able to avoid the dreaded "replace the battery for free under warranty" because of range loss in a set period.  You can't lose it if I don't give it to you. 

As for the LW the specs seem much better than the early numbers were hinting at so maybe a Christmas discount may sale a few more than I first thought.

[DonTom]

As for the LW the specs seem much better than the early numbers were hinting at so maybe a Christmas discount may sale a few more than I first thought.

Yep, the LW specs are better than I expected. But I cannot say it's worth the 30K$ price tag.

What I think is more important than range is to have more places to charge in the middle of nowhere so range is less of an issue. It does little good to have the many J-1772 charge stations in the larger cities when there are none at all in places such as Portola, CA or anywhere else on Hwy 70 in CA.  That is our real limit to our range.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[BigPoppa]

BTW, anybody here planning on buying a LW?

-Don-  Reno, NV

Since I just bought an Energica I won’t be getting a Livewire. Given the state of current production models and bikes releasing this year the Zero SR/F and Energica EsseEsse9 are the only ones that provide the best “value”. Given comparable specs the LiveWire is overpriced. The Strike is a non starter since it doesn’t have traction control or ABS (in my personal opinion electrics are extremely dangerous without some form of traction control given the way they deliver their torque).

Hopefully next year or the year after will see a cheaper LiveWire or one with improved specs to warrant the price premium and the Strike will be fitted with safety features on par with the Zero, Energica, and HD bikes.

[MVetter]

MVetter, But a much higher charging power also brings a much sooner taper. Right now my Eva 107 starts to taper at about 67% SOC. My Model 3 starts to taper at around 47%. And when you look at the V3 Superchargers they will taper even sooner. I am not sure max power is as important as what the taper curve looks like as far as charging speed goes.

Any way you look at it the Energicas do a 0-80% in ~20 minutes and the LiveWire is claiming 0-80% in ~40 minutes. Same stations. Same interface. Stations capable of delivering at least 4C rates for either pack.

Even if Energica magically tripled their battery packs (and we can all dream), it would still do 0-80% in ~20 minutes at these stations.

[Crilly]

I have a Livewire on order.  I am going to have fun with it for sure.

[Richard230]

Speaking of H-D prices, I just read in the last Motorcyclist magazine (or was it Motorcycle Consumer News?) that H-D has one very fancy ICE model that sells for $44K.     So if you are one of the "faithful" your pricing limits can be pretty high.