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[ultrarnr]

Just noticed looking at photos of the LiveWire that the tires are the same size as what I have on my Energica Eva. Which means from a physical size perspective the LiveWire is more like Energica instead of Zero. There is also the possibility the weight of the LiveWire is a lot closer to what an Energica weighs .

[Richard230]

Just noticed looking at photos of the LiveWire that the tires are the same size as what I have on my Energica Eva. Which means from a physical size perspective the LiveWire is more like Energica instead of Zero. There is also the possibility the weight of the LiveWire is a lot closer to what an Energica weighs .

I don't think the cross-section of tires means much anymore.  I have been seeing mid-size motorcycles that are now coming with what used to be sportbike size tires, 120/17 in front and 180/17 in the rear.  My Royal Enfield seems quite happy with 3.25/19 and 3.50/19 tires, though.  Personally, I think large rear tires are more of a styling statement than an engineering necessity.

But now that you mention it, I haven't seen any statement of the LiveWire's weight yet.  Just looking at it, my guess is 550 pounds. However, H-D has never been too concerned about what their motorcycles weigh, so it could be even heavier. 

[NEW2elec]

Here is really all you need to know from what sounds like a Harley insider.  Yes there is no level 2 charging 1 or 3 on CCS.  Also it uses a 12V Li ion battery and not a DC-DC converter we'll see how that works out.   If the dealer near me demos one I may go ride it but disappointing over all in my view.

[Richard230]

But will H-D be copyrighting the sound?   

[DonTom]

But now that you mention it, I haven't seen any statement of the LiveWire's weight yet.  Just looking at it, my guess is 550 pounds. However, H-D has never been too concerned about what their motorcycles weigh, so it could be even heavier. 

The LiveWire is 460 LBS.

It weights little because it has a little 7KWH battery. But it still weights quite a bit  more than my Zero DS ZF 6.5 which is 317 lbs.

I find nothing impressive about the 30K$ Livewire.


-Don-  AUburn, CA

[Richard230]

But now that you mention it, I haven't seen any statement of the LiveWire's weight yet.  Just looking at it, my guess is 550 pounds. However, H-D has never been too concerned about what their motorcycles weigh, so it could be even heavier. 

The LiveWire is 460 LBS.

It weights little because it has a little 7KWH battery. But it still weights quite a bit  more than my Zero DS ZF 6.5 which is 317 lbs.

I find nothing impressive about the 30K$ Livewire.


-Don-  AUburn, CA

The production LiveWire is starting to sound a lot like the original prototype. 

[Fran K]

Where has Hd released the kwh of the battery?  I found one place that put 7kwh as an estimate but they also called it direct drive.  Is the angle drive 1:1?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harley-Davidson_LiveWire

[DonTom]

Where has Hd released the kwh of the battery?  I found one place that put 7kwh as an estimate but they also called it direct drive.  Is the angle drive 1:1?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harley-Davidson_LiveWire

That's where I found the info. also.  I would not be surprised if it uses the same 7.2 KWH battery as the newer smaller Zeros use.

"Direct drive" in this case means  no transmission. IOW, motor direct to the wheel via a belt.

IOW, exactly what was stated there:

"Direct drive (single speed), belt drive via bevel gear"

-Don-  Auburn, CA

[Crilly]

On my c evolution I get a little over 7 miles per kWh of mixed riding. So I get a range of 70 to 80 miles.  I can live with a mix of 110 miles of mixed riding.  When they take my order I well stipulate a useful kWh of at least 15.

[Fran K]

"Direct drive" in this case means  no transmission. IOW, motor direct to the wheel via a belt.

IOW, exactly what was stated there:

"Direct drive (single speed), belt drive via bevel gear"

-Don-  Auburn, CA

"A direct drive mechanism is one that takes the power coming from a motor without any reductions (such as a gearbox). "

I can see Zero uses a direct drive and the front sprocket at the swingarm pivot.
I do not consider my Ktm or an Alta direct drive any more than an one speed electric drill with two stage reduction. 

The range that is supposedly using commonly used testing procedures would seem to indicate more than 7kwh battery.  Seems that way.  It is not like Harley put the owners manual specifications out lately.

[yhafting]

Where has Hd released the kwh of the battery?  I found one place that put 7kwh as an estimate but they also called it direct drive.  Is the angle drive 1:1?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harley-Davidson_LiveWire

That's where I found the info. also.  I would not be surprised if it uses the same 7.2 KWH battery as the newer smaller Zeros use.

There is no way HD would release a 7.2kwh heavy motorcycle claiming 110Miles range. Wikipedia is simply not updated. HD has not released the battery spec, how should Wikipedia know? HD does not post their specs primarily on wikipedia, and all the sources for that article are from 2014.  We can all guess a number, but 110 miles range mixed driving on a heavier bike requires at least 11kwh, more likely 12-15.

[ultrarnr]

I am going to guess 11kWh usable battery capacity. Have seen it mentioned about 8 1/2 hours to charge on L1. Charging power much above 1300 watts and the chances of blowing fuzes goes up a lot. 1300 watts X 8.5 hours = 11050 kWh.  Thoughts?

[centra12]

Plausible. Harley gives a CCS loading speed of 192 miles / hour.
In the video you can see the APP with the info about CCS 300Volt 50Amper

The rest is mathematics

 300Volt * 50 Amper=15W
 15W/192 miles= 0,078125
 0,078125*117miles =9,14kWh usable power + 1-2 security kWh = 10-11kWh 100% battery size

[Crilly]

My c evolution charges 10 mph at 13 amps.  For Harley to get 13 mph charging, they have to charge at 17 amps.  120 volt at 17 amps is about 2 kWh.  2 kWh times 8.5 hours is 17 kWhs.  I hope I am right. 

My Prius prime charges at 16 amps.  16 times 120 equals 1920 watts times 8.5 equals 16.3 kWh usefull.

7.3 miles per kWh times 15 equals 110 miles.

So my conclusion is it has to have at least 15 kWh.  If not I will buy a zero sr (F).

I might need two.  One before lunch and one to ride after.

[ultrarnr]

I think 17 amps is more than most home outlets in the US can handle. I know the outlets in my garage are only 15 amps.