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Richard230

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BMW's new C Evolution electric scooter
« on: July 28, 2012, 03:15:46 AM »

It looks like BMW has finally decided that its electric-powered version of their IC C600 and C650 scooter line is now ready to be introduced to the buying public.  The launch is at the Olympics, naturally - I assume to get the largest splash for the least money.  Here is a short article by Motor Cycle News about the scooter:

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/New-bikes/2012/July/jul2612-bmw-cvolution/

The scooter makes some serious peak HP, 46, but is rated at 14 HP continuous. Top speed is electronically limited to 74 mph and the range is given as 60 miles.
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Re: BMW's new C Evolution electric scooter
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2012, 11:58:02 AM »

looks like a Lego scooter, I think it looks good.

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Re: BMW's new C Evolution electric scooter
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2012, 11:08:11 AM »

I like it!  Maybe I'll switch back to a scooter after I'm done with this mid-life crisis thingy. :)
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Re: BMW's new C Evolution electric scooter
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2012, 04:50:39 AM »

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Re: BMW's new C Evolution electric scooter
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2012, 08:44:57 PM »

Here is a riding review, with lots of interesting photos, by Visor Down of the new BMW C Evolution scooter. The scooter looks pretty fancy and (in typical German fashion) seems over-engineered a bit. Just in time for (some year's) Christmas, but they are going to have to lower the price a bit.  Plus, who wants to lease a scooter? 

http://www.visordown.com/road-tests-first-rides/bmw-c-evolution-electric-scooter-review/21280.html

I think BMW is going to be left behind by Zero and Brammo in the two-wheel EV market.
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Re: BMW's new C Evolution electric scooter
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2012, 09:26:47 PM »

I just received the September issue of the BMW ON (BMW Owners News) magazine and it contains a four page (with photos) interview with Dr. Christian Ebner, the Project Manager for the BMW C Evolution electric scooter.  There were a few things in the interview that I hadn't heard before and found interesting, so I will mention them here.  Dr. Ebner said that BMW has been working on electric concept models for some time, but the current version of their electric scooter has been under development since 2010. They have 5 working prototypes and have saved a lot of money by using the batteries and other electric equipment from the BMW i3 automobile.  However, the scooter uses three of the Li-ion battery storage modules, while the car uses 8.  The scooter's speed is electronically limited to 72 mph and has a realistic 62-mile range from the 8 kWh battery pack "according to the vehicles' weight and rolling resistance".

One thing that caught my attention is that the article says that: "There are regulations in dealing with voltages above 60 volts DC - known as "high-voltage" - in an automobile environment, such as protection, isolation, warnings, and so on."  (I wonder if that is why the Zero is still operating with 57 volts?)  Dr. Ebner goes on to say that:  "This vehicle is also the first powered two-wheeler that has been developed according to ISO 26262 (a well known standard for functional safety and reliability established by the automotive sector), which is unique in this segment".

BMW is proud to have developed an energy recuperation technology system that is activated by closing the throttle, unlike other scooters on the market.  "The machine itself does all the work automatically.  For example, one of the energy recuperation points is the throttle grip. When you release this grip on the BMW C evolution, the e-motor actually "simulates" engine torque, which feels to the rider like conventional engine braking, so as soon as you release the throttle you have a degree of deceleration that you wouldn't normally have on an electric vehicle, but which also has the advantage of regaining energy for the battery."  Dr. Ebner goes on to say: "The other area where regeneration is also carried out is during braking. When brake pressure is sensed on the front and rear brake lines by the levers being activated, the power electronics detect this and the e-motor builds up drag torque, which not only aids the braking effect but also recuperates energy."  (All this sounds kind of familiar to me.) BMW says its "simulations" have shown that the range of the BMW C evolution can be extended by approximately 15%.  The scooter contains an informational display in the cockpit that has a graph which illuminates on the right side when energy is being used and a graph on the left side of the display that shows when energy is being fed back to the battery. "We believe that this will make riders think more sustainably and perhaps even change their riding style!"

The interview concludes Dr. Ebner stating that "...there is no denying that the C evolution is an exciting new chapter in the history of the brand. It's a special kind of electric scooter that follows the BMW Group's sustainability strategy and we hope that it will become a long-term part of the model range.

There was no hint in the article when the C evolution might actually be mass-produced by BMW and offered to consumers, nor what its price might be.

For more information on the BMW C evolution, visit:  www.bmw-motorrad.com/c-evolution.
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Re: BMW's new C Evolution electric scooter
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2012, 10:29:18 PM »

I just received the September issue of the BMW ON (BMW Owners News) magazine and it contains a four page (with photos) interview with Dr. Christian Ebner, the Project Manager for the BMW C Evolution electric scooter.
Is this the article?

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One thing that caught my attention is that the article says that: "There are regulations in dealing with voltages above 60 volts DC - known as "high-voltage" - in an automobile environment, such as protection, isolation, warnings, and so on."  (I wonder if that is why the Zero is still operating with 57 volts?)  Dr. Ebner goes on to say that:  "This vehicle is also the first powered two-wheeler that has been developed according to ISO 26262 (a well known standard for functional safety and reliability established by the automotive sector), which is unique in this segment".
The 2012 Zero bikes are 65V nominal, 72V max. The high-voltage cables are sheathed in orange (SAE requirement for > 60V).

Without knowing anything about ISO 26262 (beyond that it is an excellent palindrome),

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BMW is proud to have developed an energy recuperation technology system that is activated by closing the throttle, unlike other scooters on the market.
Nice qualification there. Zero and Brammo both work like this. Vectrix has a patent on their multimode reversible throttle.

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There was no hint in the article when the C evolution might actually be mass-produced by BMW and offered to consumers, nor what its price might be.
I wouldn't be surprised if the C evolution shows up before the i3. Get six months of limited-run customer data on battery usage before doing a larger run of sedans. Supposedly the i3 is < 12 months away.

Technically the C evolution is probably on the same level as the latest Zero and Brammo bikes. The BMWMOA article mentions an integrated plug-in charger, kind of vague but wonder if it is integrated with the motor controller. Regen braking (AC to DC) and wall charging (AC to DC) can be integrated together, but there are patent hazards in this area. BMW might be able to navigate or license past them.
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Re: BMW's new C Evolution electric scooter
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2012, 02:42:25 AM »

Yes that is the article that is in my magazine. 

Check out the photos at the bottom of this article. They show some interesting details of the BMW scooter: 

http://www.visordown.com/road-tests-first-rides/bmw-c-evolution-electric-scooter-review/21280.html
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