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Re: Help-This is new to me - Experia Chain Drive
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2026, 06:33:16 PM »

Hi,
my first post here:
I´ve mounted a Berotec Lube System at my Experia. It works with a electronic timed Valve, there is a LED and a switch for "Rain-Mode"  in the cockpit, a little switch for the timing and a applicator at the sprocket.

Greetings from Germany
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Re: Help-This is new to me - Experia Chain Drive
« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2026, 06:37:58 PM »

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Re: Help-This is new to me - Experia Chain Drive
« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2026, 06:38:31 PM »

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Re: Help-This is new to me - Experia Chain Drive
« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2026, 06:38:59 PM »

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Re: Help-This is new to me - Experia Chain Drive
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2026, 03:03:07 AM »

Nice neat installation you have there...Bear-Tiger. How many km on your Experia..??

I found my Experia liked to eat chains & sprockets, I'd had 3 sets in the ~40k km that they were fitted....before fitting the belt drive.

I was just a bit tired of the constant cleaning, adjustment & replacement etc...

Smithy.
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Re: Help-This is new to me - Experia Chain Drive
« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2026, 04:37:20 AM »

Nice neat installation you have there...Bear-Tiger. How many km on your Experia..??

I found my Experia liked to eat chains & sprockets, I'd had 3 sets in the ~40k km that they were fitted....before fitting the belt drive.

I was just a bit tired of the constant cleaning, adjustment & replacement etc...

Smithy.
IMO, for most bikes, I find belts superior to chains. Chains are a big hassle on motorcycles. 


I used to fear belts snapping, but I think they have greatly improved in the last ten years or so.


When I changed the belt in my Zero SR, at just under 30,000 miles (48 km), I could not tell the used belt from the new.


I would like to do the same as you have done. Can you post a parts list and any possibly needed  instructions?


I wonder if it can be done to my 2020 Esse Esse 9- too. It needs a chain around right now at 13,000 miles (21KM).


-Don-  Auburn, CA
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Re: Help-This is new to me - Experia Chain Drive
« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2026, 10:44:42 AM »

Nice neat installation you have there...Bear-Tiger. How many km on your Experia..??

I found my Experia liked to eat chains & sprockets, I'd had 3 sets in the ~40k km that they were fitted....before fitting the belt drive.

I was just a bit tired of the constant cleaning, adjustment & replacement etc...

Smithy.

11500km on the Experia, i´ve bought it Ende of September 2024 used with 6200km. At this Time i hat to change Head stock bearings and Brakediscs. The Sprocket at the Rear Wheel ist now worn, i think, i have to change the Chain-Kit at 15-20.000 km.
That Part-List do you mean? For the Berotec? That´s a complete Set with all expect the two sides Aplicator. That costs extra. Mounting is a little work, instructions are in the Kit. I´ve done not enough photos for a detailed instruction, my english is also not good.

https://shop.berotec.de/kettenoeler-mofessor
https://shop.berotec.de/mofessor-doppelduese-gleichmaessiger-oelauftrag-antriebskette
Next Project is coming, i´m building a Center-Stand for the Experia.

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Re: Help-This is new to me - Experia Chain Drive
« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2026, 11:19:02 AM »

@Bear-Tiger: In case you do not already know, the rear sprocket is the same as for a Benelli TRK 502, at least that works for a 525 pitch.
Inner diameter 76 mm, hole circle diameter 100 mm, hole diameter 10(-/+) mm. It's the spec for Marchesini rims.
Manufacturers are: AFAM, JT Sprockets, Supersprox, Esjot, Superlight.
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Re: Help-This is new to me - Experia Chain Drive
« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2026, 07:00:18 PM »

Thanks for this Information, i didnt know.
Chain an sprockets in 520 are in my starge for next change.
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Re: Help-This is new to me - Experia Chain Drive
« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2026, 03:43:01 AM »


I would like to do the same as you have done. Can you post a parts list and any possibly needed  instructions?


I wonder if it can be done to my 2020 Esse Esse 9- too. It needs a chain around right now at 13,000 miles (21KM).


-Don-  Auburn, CA

Hi Don,

I'll do a fairly detailed explanation on what is required soon.

Regards fitting a belt to the SS9/Rebelle/Ego...not possible unfortunately...the chain actually goes "through" the swingarm...getting a belt to do the same thing is as you know...not possible....unless a different swingarm is used. The Experia has a normal swingarm unlike the other three bikes.

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Re: Help-This is new to me - Experia Chain Drive
« Reply #25 on: April 11, 2026, 02:16:33 PM »

Hi Don,

I'll do a fairly detailed explanation on what is required soon.

Regards fitting a belt to the SS9/Rebelle/Ego...not possible unfortunately...the chain actually goes "through" the swingarm...getting a belt to do the same thing is as you know...not possible....unless a different swingarm is used. The Experia has a normal swingarm unlike the other three bikes.

Smithy.


OIC, I was just looking at my 2020 SS9- and my Experia swingarm.   I really cannot tell much buy looking, but it didn't look any more difficult than on the Experia, but it's one of those things I will not know unless I try to do the job. t. I cannot tell if the swing arm can be lifted to make room for a belt, as on my 2017 Zeros.


Perhaps the 2020 SS9-  is different than the Plus bikes?


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Re: Help-This is new to me - Experia Chain Drive
« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2026, 02:43:44 AM »


OIC, I was just looking at my 2020 SS9- and my Experia swingarm.   I really cannot tell much buy looking, but it didn't look any more difficult than on the Experia, but it's one of those things I will not know unless I try to do the job. t. I cannot tell if the swing arm can be lifted to make room for a belt, as on my 2017 Zeros.


Perhaps the 2020 SS9-  is different than the Plus bikes?


-Don-  Auburn, CA

As far as I'm aware, the early SS9 swingarm is the same as the later ones. Pic below is of a 2018 model. As you can see, the chain goes through the swingarm.

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Re: Help-This is new to me - Experia Chain Drive
« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2026, 05:10:46 AM »

As far as I'm aware, the early SS9 swingarm is the same as the later ones. Pic below is of a 2018 model. As you can see, the chain goes through the swingarm.Smithy.
Same with my Zeros with their belts.


But can the SS9-  swingarm be moved out of the way as it is on Zeros to make room for a belt and then put back?  While a little more work, I do not see why it's a big problem if the swingarm pivot point goes thru the chain / belt.


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Re: Help-This is new to me - Experia Chain Drive
« Reply #28 on: April 13, 2026, 01:20:47 AM »

As far as I'm aware, the early SS9 swingarm is the same as the later ones. Pic below is of a 2018 model. As you can see, the chain goes through the swingarm.Smithy.
Same with my Zeros with their belts.


But can the SS9-  swingarm be moved out of the way as it is on Zeros to make room for a belt and then put back?  While a little more work, I do not see why it's a big problem if the swingarm pivot point goes thru the chain / belt.


-Don- Auburn, CA

Nope....unless you cut the swingarm or fit a swingarm from another bike....the chain going "through" the swingarm is the problem. You can't cut the belt to make it fit, but you can cut a chain....whereas the Experia doesn't have this problem, as you can see, circled in red in the pic below:

Smithy.
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Re: Help-This is new to me - Experia Chain Drive
« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2026, 01:45:19 AM »

Hi Don,

Just to follow up on our conversation re fitting a belt drive to an Experia:

Not an simple operation I'm afraid unless you're handy with tools, lathe, mill etc... Minor modification to the inside-left of the swingarm is required where the pulley comes very close, not too much, just enough for rear pulley clearance, otherwise the pulley will hit the swingarm. The rear pulley and belt are from a BMW F800 GT and the rear pulley is 80T, I fitted/bolted it to one of my old Experia rear sprockets, I used an old Vortex sprocket for this as it has 5 main spokes which marry up to the BMW pulley well, then the sprocket must have all the teeth machined off to the correct diameter to fit inside the BMW pulley with a little clearance....and then the pulley be spaced correctly to get it as close to the swingarm as possible for the belt to line up and the centre lines of both pulleys as close as possible....in the end, a space of only ~1mm between the pulley and swingarm is the best you can do, not perfect but very doable using spacing wahsers between the pulley mount face and the sprocket. I used 10mm A2 stainless shoulder bolts and stainless "nyloc" nuts to mount the pulley to the sprocket. The bolts are plenty strong enough with tensile strength ~5x the required sheer torque loading.

The front pulley is a different matter though...finding a pulley to fit and have the correct drive spline & tooth count is nigh-on impossible...so one must be made. I initially used a 26T hardened cast iron pulley from a Yamaha T-Max 560/Kymco 560 muscle scooter, the centre of which has to be machined out to form a nice flat rebate for the sprocket to be mounted and the width also has to be reduced, this pulley is originally for a 40mm width belt...however this will not fit the Experia, a 34mm wide belt is the widest that will safely fit....then, a front sprocket from an Aprilia Tuono/RSV has to me modified to fit inside the pulley, the teeth machined off and holes drilled through both the pulley and sprocket so they can be bolted together...the countershaft splines for the Aprilia and Energica are the same. The completed pulley must be fitted as close as possible to the motor to help bring the centerline of the pulleys as close as possible.

Ideally a 24T front pulley would be perfect, however a 24T pulley made from cast iron or steel is just not available unless custom made and as I have found....unless you get a minimum batch of 500 done, it's just not cost effective, there isn't even 500 Experias in existence world wide. I did find a source of 7075-T6 aluminium pulleys in 24T & 25T made for drag racing superchargers, spendy but available...I modified one of them to see if it is useable....It is, and I have used one for several thousand km.... and although they are hard anodised 7075-T6, I suspect wear of the aluminium will be an issue when longer distances are covered. Time will tell.

As mentioned previously in other posts, the swingarm must be removed to fit the belt, surprisingly it's not a difficult job and only takes ~1/2 hour or so to remove, I removed the chain protection rubbers from the swingarm as it's not needed with the belt as it kinda gets in the way.

Here's a pic below with the swingarm removed from my bike whilst fitting the belt/pulleys etc...I took the oportunity to re-lube/re-grease the swingarm pivot bearings and shock linkage bearings whilst I had the swingarm out. Surprisingly the needle bearings and spacers were in very good condition and well lubed from the factory.

Smithy.
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