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Specter

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Re: Very interesting development
« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2026, 05:57:13 AM »

Cas it would be no different than a battery.  as long as ya keeps yer dick skinners away from where they don't belong, ya should be fine!

Seriously though, it'd be just as insulated, and protected and protecting as any battery would to keep itself, the bike, and you safe.

Lets say that you did get into a catastrophic wreck.  With a battery, it's chemical, so it's generating electric as long as the chemical action is going on, so in theory could possibly keep making electricity and fire for well... several minutes after the event, depending on how fast it finally all burns through, being a threat for that entire length of time.  With a capacitor ALL the electricity is already there, stored as an electrostatic field. When it goes, it all goes at once, you'll get the blow out, then it's over, it's all used up, no chemicals making more electric, to continue the power hazard.

With this in mind, one could say that capacitors may even be safer.

Just make sure when you set it off, you are below 88mph.
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Re: Very interesting development
« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2026, 08:17:01 PM »

Fortunately there's a failsafe mechanism built-in to the design anyway, which is by virtue of it costing £40000 I'll never sit on one :)

Cas :)
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Re: Very interesting development
« Reply #32 on: January 10, 2026, 10:58:03 PM »

Fortunately there's a failsafe mechanism built-in to the design anyway, which is by virtue of it costing £40000 I'll never sit on one :)

Cas :)
I'm with you on THAT!!  For that price it would have to be a LOT more practical. Right now, it's just "garage candy." What's the point of increased range if you can't take anything or anyone with you??
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Re: Very interesting development
« Reply #33 on: January 10, 2026, 11:58:41 PM »

For 40k I'll be buying an electric car that goes and charges faster and further.

Cas :)
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Re: Very interesting development
« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2026, 07:10:34 AM »

I feel like it would be ideal for those that can't charge at home, but then who can afford a 40 grand bike and doesn't have a house with at least a drive way.
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Re: Very interesting development
« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2026, 09:41:14 AM »

Not fond of traction motor contributing to unsprung mass just wondering how it handles...don't like the exposed phase conductors either...

Lot's of YouTube chatter regarding this subject makes me dubious but hopeful that a single Verge bike can be documented going 600km.

Simple as that...no chemistry disclosure or details about the battery is needed....just a GoPro camera on a chase vehicle will prove it or not.

Physics...doesn't require guts or compromises IP, but it would shake the EV world...hey DonutBoy, are you listening?

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Re: Very interesting development
« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2026, 03:21:11 PM »

Shhh !!  it's secret, if they tell you, they'll have to kill you.  but they got a slightly used lightning they'll sell you dirt cheap !!
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Re: Very interesting development
« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2026, 11:20:08 PM »

No point in speculating about it really, either everyone's wrong and they're right, or the other way around, and nobody will know until there's a bike to ride.

Regarding the unsprung weight ... a couple of 'tubers have ridden the thing and they basically said, yes, you can feel it's got a really heavy rear wheel and it handles a bit oddly as a result, rather like a cruiser. My main thought concerning it is wear or accidental damage and subsequent astronomical replacement cost.

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Re: Very interesting development
« Reply #38 on: January 12, 2026, 07:41:25 PM »

They did release a video demonstrating how to do one thing I'd wondered about: 
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« Reply #39 on: January 12, 2026, 11:56:42 PM »

The thing is though the video literally doesn't show the one thing it promises to show.
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Re: Very interesting development
« Reply #40 on: January 13, 2026, 12:14:22 AM »

Honestly I'm sick of every conversation about this thing turning into pages and pages about whether you can change the tyre that just rehash the same points over and over. Clearly you can change the tyre.
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« Reply #41 on: January 13, 2026, 01:33:51 AM »

Maybe they shouldn't have made the process absurdly stupid and maybe also let you BALANCE the tire. Which you cannot do.
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« Reply #42 on: January 13, 2026, 01:47:59 AM »

No point in speculating about it really, either everyone's wrong and they're right, or the other way around, and nobody will know until there's a bike to ride.

You're no fun...speculation is the spice of life.

If I were a betting man, I would speculate that Nordic Nano is very good at what they do and stumbled on something that makes battery fabrication easy. 

Having had a front row seat to industry methods for such manufacturing the hardest process step to deal with is the separator because of the key role it plays e.g. the thinner the better and the more difficult it is for automation handling that results...it's the biggest burden a battery manufacturer will face in the pursuits for higher energy density...solid state requires a press operation and integrity testing to ensure no voids or bubbles exist and contrary to conventional thinking, solid state electrolyte is tacky and impregnated into the separator...ugly has heck for handling like I said.

Just a guess, Nordic Nono has eliminated the separator as a laminate layer of material but instead has vapor deposited a polymer suitable for the task...permeability to ions but maintaining the electrical insulation necessary.  So huge would this be...Donut Lab claims it can be cut (or grown) in virtually any geometric requirement...eliminate the separator in the classical sense and this statement has meaning.

The rest has been proven in transistor doping technology to deposit positive and negative ions parking them within the carbon nanostructure prior to this novel means for electrical insulation.
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Re: Very interesting development
« Reply #43 on: January 19, 2026, 06:23:45 PM »

This video goes fairly deep in investigating what might be inside the battery. Very interesting and does some proper investigative journalism, although obviously no inside info.
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Re: Very interesting development
« Reply #44 on: January 19, 2026, 11:19:14 PM »

As a certain Vulcan would say: "Fascinating."
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