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Specter

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Worlds Fastest E bike
« on: August 04, 2025, 03:21:46 AM »

White Motorcycle Concepts WMC250EV

Now this is an interesting concept, but unless I am missing something, you are sitting way the hell up in the sky on this one!

https://choiceclips.whatfinger.com/2025/08/03/the-worlds-fastest-e-bike-revolutionizing-speed-with-a-hole-in-the-middle/

has quite a bit of a writeup on the bike, and below is a quick X clip showing it in action.

https://x.com/MarioNawfal/status/1951878194811875399

This would be an absolute game changer and pretty much end range anxiety.  Still, it looks like the rider is too tall jones, and for shorter people like me, hopping up on this thing, you better have mommy close by to hold the bike up until you get up to speed  ;D

This bike could put Energica and all of them to test.  Hell, maybe they can partner with the new Energica and between the two of them, come up with some stupid fast bike that's going to not just set new records but destroy anyone's chances of even nearing them for a while!  As for handling, having more down force absolutely would be nice, the EGO can get a bit light up front and if you get on a seam on the track, that can get...interesting, but there's more to handling turns than down force, how does it take a corner at speeds, if you are much higher up?

I'd love to get my hands on one to try on the track.

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Re: Worlds Fastest E bike
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2025, 03:45:48 PM »

This technology has successfully been applied to the Zero SR/S already:

https://newatlas.com/motorcycles/big-hole-zero-electric-motorcycle/

It actually looks good, and doesn't modify the silhouette at all. I hope it gets into production :)

Cas :)
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Re: Worlds Fastest E bike
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2025, 10:24:41 PM »

This technology has successfully been applied to the Zero SR/S already:

https://newatlas.com/motorcycles/big-hole-zero-electric-motorcycle/

It actually looks good, and doesn't modify the silhouette at all. I hope it gets into production :)

Cas :)

"May increase range up to 5%"

They'll literally do anything BUT actual known proven aerodynamic improvements and instead focus on stupid minutia like this and winglets.
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Re: Worlds Fastest E bike
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2025, 01:32:24 AM »

I think given that it barely changes anything in the silhouette that, well, 5% is 5%, that's another 5 miles for me without adding any weight, so not to be completely sniffed at. Now combine that with a ZZR1100 fairing and we might see some even bigger gains.

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Re: Worlds Fastest E bike
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2025, 07:56:47 AM »

according to them, fairings are childs play, cutting a hole in the middle of everything makes it more efficient.  maybe we should put a donut on the very front of the bike, right under the headlight to help channel the air in, and if you get pulled over by a cop doing 235 mph, well, maybe it just might get you out of a ticket!

It just seems to me, the mass of the motor and battery are still there, the hole is basically adding another level or story to it, bike, hole, rider.  it just seems counterintuitive but they said the wind tunnel says otherwise.  im not sure, static tests well...id still want to see real world, but again, this is a design just to make it go straight and fast,  when it comes time to turn, ummm maybe not so nifty then.


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Re: Worlds Fastest E bike
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2025, 11:57:18 AM »

I think given that it barely changes anything in the silhouette that, well, 5% is 5%, that's another 5 miles for me without adding any weight, so not to be completely sniffed at. Now combine that with a ZZR1100 fairing and we might see some even bigger gains.

Cas :)

You either have a fundamental misunderstanding of aerodynamics or you are cheering for stupid engineers wasting hours for news bytes.
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Re: Worlds Fastest E bike
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2025, 03:26:11 PM »

I have a reasonable grasp.
Of course, that 5% is only going to manifest over 100mph so it's probably a bit irrelevant anyway... but my empirical observations about the ZZR remain proven and valid. It was about 30% more efficient than any of its contemporaries in ordinary riding.

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Re: Worlds Fastest E bike
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2025, 07:15:48 PM »

The latest "aerodynamic" (?) devices that I have seen on a motorcycle were on a new BMW M1000RR sport bike. Not only did it have really large wings on the side of its fairing, but it also had a carbon fiber cover over the lower 1/3rd of the front brake discs. Even the owner of the bike wasn't sure what those were for. Maybe aero, or maybe disc cooling, or maybe it was just another place to locate more expensive carbon fiber farkles.  ;)
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Re: Worlds Fastest E bike
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2025, 09:44:14 PM »

I'll ask Nate, he's their (BMW's) brand ambassador here and he races that bike,  not that one but the RR, his is of course tricked out though.

I'll take a  shot and say the cover is for aerodynamics, a smoother air flow instead of turbulence thru the brake assembly, but i would have to wonder, how does that affect brake cooling when you reduce airflow to an air cooled device?

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Re: Worlds Fastest E bike
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2025, 10:40:48 PM »

Anything designed for FIM or AMA racing is fundamentally hamstrung by restrictions set in 1957 designed to slow down bikes from going too fast.
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Re: Worlds Fastest E bike
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2025, 11:39:00 PM »

According to Fortnine the winglets actually make drag worse and their purpose is the same as the "fences" (to stop the air defecting) on old soviet fighters.

Anyway, last I checked aero for ordinary street use was impractical for motorbikes because 1) You don't ride scrunched up like a pretzel wearing the right slippery gear 2) You probably have something strapped or clamped to the bike to carry useful items 3) Smoothly integrating the airflow at the rear is both very important and very hard 4) People want to buy naked bikes.

I tried a while back but found it very hard to research but basicly a modern EV car is about .225-.25cd, a transit van or pickup truck is about a 0.4, a MotoGP rider at full tuck is roughly 0.6, a properly tucked Hayabusa is a little better, and it's *really* hard to get numbers for someone sitting normally on a naked bike but it's somewhere in the ballpark of 0.8.
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Re: Worlds Fastest E bike
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2025, 12:43:55 AM »

Watch for “Blow Aero” https://youtu.be/kzZu6T6cokQ?si=izLGsCGfqRpzi4fo on upcoming (B)ust (M)y (W)allet motorcycles soon? 
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Re: Worlds Fastest E bike
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2025, 01:09:22 AM »

That is an AI video. Get it together, people.
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Re: Worlds Fastest E bike
« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2025, 01:12:17 AM »

stone, someome sitting normally on a naked bike.
like a ribelle?
the difference between race hunch and sitting upright sticking out like a dick on a dog... at 70 mph can be 10kw.  a number of things affect this.
wind is huge, after around 35 to 40 mph, my experience, your number one thing killing speed and/or efficiency is wind drag.

even with fairings, the difference is a lot.  you have a screen that tells you your consumption on an Energica, give it a try, get on the highway, set cruise control at whatever.....let it settle out, and do minute or two minute runs both tucked and sitting straight up and see for yourself the differences in how much power you eat, just for sitting up.

how much drag coefficient is this, i couldn't tell you, i have not done any math, just looked at power use.

another tidbit, my truck, towing an empty trailer, get shitty gas mileage, the trailer is a huge parachute basically.  towing the same trailer *same drag* but with 1200 lbs of shit in it, mileage goes up a lot, because now it's not just wind pushing you back, but all that mass on it pushing you forward too, helping maintain the momentum.

even an open bike trailer, empty it's a parachute, put an almost 600 lb bike on it to split the wind before hit hits the back ramp, mileage goes up 4 mpg.  sometimes things that are not even in the wind path can change outcomes.

ps, the ribelle can touch 150 with bags on it on a good day, rider crunched way down, not recommended though.  normal street speeds tend to be lower anyways, the condition of the road can really cause issues at higher speeds, even little things add up to a lot of problems at 160 mph

aero for street bikes IS important imo, even though people may not be doing everything right, it can make a difference, especially if you are racing, drag, or just saturday night street racing. 10 to 15 mph is very significant.

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Re: Worlds Fastest E bike
« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2025, 07:51:50 AM »

That is an AI video. Get it together, people.
Maybe so (AI involved with the video) but it’s a thing (BMW is exploring this concept).

https://www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle-news/bmw-blow-aerodynamics-better-cornering-performance/
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