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[Stonewolf]

If you skip to after him wandering around looking for his airpods in his third video he takes it for a pretty illegal ride up Horseshoe pass (it's all 40mph limit) and I dunno if it's just the lines he chose or whatever but man is he going wide on some of those left handers.

[Specter]

if he would wear the proper type of helmet it wouldn't feel like it's ripping off his head, his over exaggerated words.  that right there , oh wow the power i can barely control it, umm no that's the wind pushing your head around because you have a what is that bmx helmet on, on the road?  where the head goes the body, and bike tends to follow.  if he wore a helmet that had a bit better aerodynamics he's have a bit better time with the bike.  if you are fighting just to see straight, you are going to also be fighting to steer straight.   just an opinion.

aaron

[princec]

Still no way I'd get one. That bloody rear wheel is the daftest idea. Then there's the exposed HT cables just waiting to be shredded open in a lowside.

Can't be too much longer before Zero gets in on the DCFC act but tbh they could just go for 22kW AC charging and make most people in Europe happy.

Cas

[TheRan]

Regarding the exposed cables, those are only going from the controller to the motor so in theory in the event of a crash the tip over sensor should cut any power going to the motor. But I would be concerned about general wear from being exposed, especially being placed right next to where your boot goes.

[Stonewolf]

Can't be too much longer before Zero gets in on the DCFC act but tbh they could just go for 22kW AC charging and make most people in Europe happy.

They'd have to abandon their whole platform IIRC. Zero deliberately uses a fairly low voltage but DCFC has a minimum system voltage and they're way under it.

Someone said it was to make it easier to sign up dealers, I'm not sure how true that is but if so moving to DCFC doesn't just mean completely redesigning their battery, power electronics, and motor but also potentially losing dealers. They're gonna have to do it at some point, I don't think they can avoid it long term but I wouldn't expect to see it until it really starts killing their sales.

[Specter]

DCFC has a minimum voltage of 100 volts,  or 200 volts for the hv - dcfc that can goto a kilovolt, they basically put two of the pc cards in series to get the 1000 volts out.   not sure about elon's chargers if they have a min but probably do

aaron

[MVetter]

Regarding the exposed cables, those are only going from the controller to the motor so in theory in the event of a crash the tip over sensor should cut any power going to the motor. But I would be concerned about general wear from being exposed, especially being placed right next to where your boot goes.

Did you know that, despite everything Verge wants you to believe, road debris is a real actual thing that exists. They can deny it as much as they want but I've seen sharp pieces of metal on roadways with my own two eyes. This means that, in theory, a sharp piece of metal on the roadway could be impacted by something and soar through the air at a high velocity, and if a rider on a Verge TS was juuuuuust unlucky enough it could shear one or more phase leads while they are blissfully unaware and riding upright.

While the odds of this happening are low, the odds of this happening on an Energica, Zero, or LiveWire bike are nonexistent because the phase leads are guarded by being inside the frame.

And you are correct; the sun's UV rays eat everything. But hey, someone cleverly decided to put the wires on the side that is exposed to more sun because the kickstand is guaranteed to really make those bad boys drink that delicious ultraviolet light. Hell yeah

[Specter]

hell, even at the track you pick up little pieces of wire, the wire they use to secure crap to the bike, little clippings all over the place.  one of those get lodged into a wire and you happen to brush it with your leg mid lean on a hard turn and you are going to be in for a nasty surprise.

i think the hv wires are shielded, and the shield is grounded, but still, you arc flash that shit away on one undefined fault,  wtf derp, reset the bike, hmm everything is fine... go for a ride and now it's waiting for you.   even though / even if, you are just exposing one more not very cheap part to damage in the event of, hell, even a simple tipover now,  not cool.

Aaron

[Stonewolf]

Range seems to be broadly comparable to an Eva Ribelle but obviously we don't know what kind of average speeds he's really doing (it'll be fairly slow down those single tracks) or how the thermal performance shakes out (he doesn't really charge often enough to say). I dunno why starting out on low charge he headed for the coast, he'd have been better off going to Rhug estate where there's a large reliable installation at a cafe.

Sadly his experience with not being able to overnight charge is pretty normal, a lot of campsites in the UK have capacity concerns (and a fair few actually run generators rather than mains supply). I usually book a powered pitch, don't tell them I'm bringing an EV, and charge overnight at 4A. Which raises an interesting question, most EVs don't have the ability to manually set a charge speed limit from what I've seen, Energicas seem to be an outlier so I wonder if the Verge can.

[Specter]

i would think they would  all be. i mean you never know how loaded a circuit is, or how old.  just because the plug says it can handle 15A, they are not designed really to do that for hours.  When brand new install maybe, but after say a few dozen of those stints, and the heating loosens stuff up, the next step is it will btfu.  being able to dial down to control heat seems like just common sense imo.  id give it maybe 12 to 13A max, maybe dial it to 10 or 11 in the hot ass florida sun, otherwise you end up melting stuff.

Aaron

[Stonewolf]

Most here are 240V and rated to 16A with a 10A breaker but you really shouldn't be trying to pull anything close to 10A continuous load because the whole system capacity is not gonna be able to take it if enough people do that. That's why I set mine to 4A when camping.

[ESokoloff]

………
 just because the plug says it can handle 15A, they are not designed really to do that for hours. 
………

80% rule (NEMA)
https://www.google.com/search?q=80%25+rule+NEMA&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari

[flynnstig82r]

Did you know that, despite everything Verge wants you to believe, road debris is a real actual thing that exists. They can deny it as much as they want but I've seen sharp pieces of metal on roadways with my own two eyes. This means that, in theory, a sharp piece of metal on the roadway could be impacted by something and soar through the air at a high velocity, and if a rider on a Verge TS was juuuuuust unlucky enough it could shear one or more phase leads while they are blissfully unaware and riding upright.

While the odds of this happening are low, the odds of this happening on an Energica, Zero, or LiveWire bike are nonexistent because the phase leads are guarded by being inside the frame.

And you are correct; the sun's UV rays eat everything. But hey, someone cleverly decided to put the wires on the side that is exposed to more sun because the kickstand is guaranteed to really make those bad boys drink that delicious ultraviolet light. Hell yeah

I had something very similar happen just recently. Was riding in heavy traffic and there was a metal rod I couldn’t avoid so I tried to run it over straight, but it still got kicked up and severed my kickstand sensor. Had to wait 2 hours for a tow truck and then a week for the replacement part to arrive, but I don’t even want to think about the expense and hassle if it had been a phase wire on a low-volume hub motor.

[Specter]

let alone when that thing potentially flashes, and the collateral damage of arc blast, and other btfu equipment, controls etc.
what happens when your soft meaty delicious leg is the closest path to chassis ground?

Aaron

[MVetter]

Like a Christmas ham