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[Specter]

if it's legal there of course people are going to be good with it, it's the law, but when it's not the law, people tend to have this 'ill teach you' mentality about things.  then stupid things happen and people get hurt.

personally i don't have a problem with lane splitting as long as it's done safely and the bikers are respectful and not knocking mirrors and stupid shit.  two cars side by side, i think is dangerous and id probably not be doing that in a state where they will NOT move over for you.  i don't know how it is in  california but here in floriduh, half these zombies are too busy looking at their fucking phones and weaving all over the place.  i don't want to be behind that mfer and i certainly don't want to be alongside them on a bike.

thats one thing i need to re hook up on my redone ribelle is hook up a horn again.  i have a temp setup but it's awkward.

aaron

[princec]

Florida seems to be a completely mental place tbh, I've never seen anything about Florida that doesn't make me think WTF

Anyway - I agree with @Motoproponent regarding the Pulse being an overengineered proof-of-concept at the bottom end of a line of bikes that will eventually contain the Real Deal, but I worry that Can-Am will see terrible sales and pull the whole project, like LiveWire are inevitably going to do.

Cas

[Specter]

cas even if they had a sweet bike, right now electric is not doing well, it'll be some years, and they might still pull it due to slow sales.  at least they have the benefit of having others haven taken the first step so it is out there and not a totally new thing for 'their turn'

aaron

[Richard230]

Plus, there is a plan being tossed around that could be inserted into the Big Beautiful Budget-Busting Bill currently being considered by the U.S. Congress which would tax EVs $250 a year to pay for their share of the federal gas tax that is not being collected because they don't buy gasoline. I also heard that the tax would apply to not only new EV sales, but also existing EV owners. There was a comment that no one is quite sure how this would be enforced on existing EV owners. If this proposal gets passed into law, I would hope that it wouldn't apply to electric motorcycles, but you know that motorcycles are (almost) never mentioned in any law related to EVs, so implementation of the law would end up being the responsibility of the agency that collects gas tax funds. 

[princec]

I think electric would be doing well if they actually tried to compete with gas bikes on any front but there's not a single aspect of any electric bike today that they outcompete on except acceleration, which is a party trick you soon forget about.

Let's see price parity. Or range parity. Or charging parity. There's just no point trying to charge premium bucks for moped abilities. In the current market so far only Zero have got anywhere close - reflected in their market "dominance" (if you can call it that) - and they're still nowhere near. They need to double the battery capacity. Or get charging time down to 15 minutes. Or most importantly - halve the price.

btw the UK gubmint retconned our free road tax already and we start paying it from this year. At least it's only £15 a year

Cas

[Specter]

well if they wanted to be 'fair' about road taxes , how about taking it out of gas prices and just charge a tax across the board at the dmv, you pay a penny a mile or whatever the fuck they come up with.  that way no matter what you drive, you are paying your 'fair share' and it really is fair, and maybe the price of gas will come down a bit.

if they are going to start fucking e cars for road taxes then how about all these natural gas vehicles their cities love to run?  when you going to start surcharging them too?

yah, tax by the mile, if you sincerely want to be 'fair'

aaron

[princec]

I always said, charge tax on tyres. Problem largely solved. We digress

Cas

[Specter]

im pretty sure tires already have a bunch of taxes and fees on them, and  what about non road use tires?
with all the money they DO suck up anyways and you look at the condition of a lot of the roads in the us, it makes you have to ask, where is all that money going?  you sure as hell are not fixing any roads with it.

aaron

[Grauteufel]

A tax on tyres is actually a pretty good idea at first, because the heavier a vehicle is, the more damage to the road surface/the more expensive the road is to construct and typically the more they wear their tyres. However, human nature being what it is you'll find people would just start buying harder tyres (with less grip) which would spur manufacturers to start producing harder and harder compounds (with less grip), which will cause car companies to spec wider tyres....... and so on.

Back to the Can-am, it is curious they have gone to the expense of a fully cooled battery, inverter and motor for such low outputs and charging. The guys saying this is the test bed for more betterer bikes might be on to something.