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[TNCreator]

could it be possible to have the ac charger out of the like like with a zero ? that would remove a bit of weight and not change much as I charge with ac in my garage only, and with dc elsewhere.

[szczur333]

could it be possible to have the ac charger out of the like like with a zero ? that would remove a bit of weight and not change much as I charge with ac in my garage only, and with dc elsewhere.

track energicas doesnt have AC charger bcoz weight savings, I dont know exactly but I think charger weight about 8kg

[Specter]

A track energica does have an ac charger.  you still need the comms cables to talk, which is part of the overall assembly.  The only difference really between a J plug and CCS is the two bigger DC lugs to carry DC.  otherwise it's the same setup.

aaron

[ElectricRebel]

So with the home office being sold for parts and Energica USA not really in the financial position to repair/replace stuff for free anymore?

Anyone gonna start tinkering?

If so what would be your wishlist?

A center stand?
6KW AC Charging?
Bluetooth diagnostic?

Will we ever get to the point that the Zero guys did with racks of diginow third party chargers and shit?

My wishlist?
Liquid Cooled Battery with active cooling (with a HV AC compressor and heat exchangers)...
That it's possible to extract as much thermal heat between two DC charges, for prolonged 24 kW max charge power, and repeatedly having the possibility to charge with 24 kW over a day ...! Also a quieter gear train would be nice ... xD

I was riding/cruising on ss9+ in Tatra's in Slovakia 2 years ago with friend on ICE bike

conditions are perfect - sunny + ambient temps 18-22*C, my battery bms was faulty back then so I have to charge between 25-75% only but still on 50% of battery  I still can do about 100-120km - and I always get 22-24kW charging speed at start

my friend can;t even finish his meal between charges

Yes, but then ride 120 km and try again. You'll end with 18 kW midway through the 2nd DC charge and at around 12-14 kW when nearing 80% SoC, and it isn't able to dissipate much heat in between charging. The Rapidgate does affect the 21,5s more than the 13,4s with the cooling channel. Overall the smaller batteries thermal management is way better than that of the bigger ones.
I would love to have like an active AC unit, that cools down the cells to like 20°C while riding, and then when charging the battery heats up again (higher Temperatures are generally better for charging, but the cycle life will be affected at elevated temperatures when that high temps are hold for longer timeframes, but also higher temperatures mean less internal resistance and higher heat dissipation). So let the battery heat up during DC charging, then cool it down actively during riding, to be ready for the next fast DC charge  session.
I'm currently working on something, but I'm only able to continue when summer is over (riding is more important now xD)...
There will be separate posts here about BOTH my wishes when I'm finished 😉

[Ingineer]

No, the AC charger is a separate module.  On most bikes it's under the seat.  You can most definitely unplug this and remove it and the bike will still run.   It would be pretty trivial to permanently leave it at home, but I guess they figured as heavy as these bikes already are, whats a few more kilos worth of on-board charger?

[Motoproponent]

The Zero "flat 6" AC Charger weighs about 8 kg, according to the internet.

Would be cool to be able to swap them out.

[DonTom]

No, the AC charger is a separate module.  On most bikes it's under the seat.  You can most definitely unplug this and remove it and the bike will still run.   It would be pretty trivial to permanently leave it at home, but I guess they figured as heavy as these bikes already are, whats a few more kilos worth of on-board charger?

I don't think it can be called CCS without the AC charger. The first "C" is the problem, stands for "combined".


-Don-  Reno, NV

[Ingineer]

I don't think it can be called CCS without the AC charger. The first "C" is the problem, stands for "combined".

-Don-  Reno, NV

Yes, that's hat it "stands" for, but it's definitely possible to remove the onboard charger (AC to DC power supply) and still have CCS work for DC fast charging.  The onboard charger is not used for CCS.  (Separate pins on the CCS inlet even!)

[Phaedrus]

Has anyone removed the AC charger - and had the bike continue to function without errors?

[Specter]

you wouldn't have to remove it, just unplug it really.  as long as the plug is intact it should work i think.  if i am not mistaken it should be something like this the bike tells the switch how many amps to send, it sends, the charger turns that ac into dc and puts in battery.

for a dc charge, the bike tells the charger how many amps to send, charger sends directly to battery.

the issue i see is, even if you put a 6 kw charger in there.  lets call it 25 amps.... the energica's software is only going to go up to 15 amp max so will never tell the bigger charger TO send the 6 kw.  it will send 15a tops.  the only work around i see is, if you had a charger at 480 volt. since the ac hits the charger only you should be good ... EXCEPT that the energica knows the voltage you are sending to know whether it is 1.6 or 3.2 kw you are charging at, and it's sensor may not like seeing 480v even though the charger don't mind.

Aaron

[Ingineer]

Has anyone removed the AC charger - and had the bike continue to function without errors?

Yes, on my 2023 SS9 the bike functions normally with it unplugged.

I haven't attempted to put more amps in than the OBC normally does, but I will try it sometime soon.

[DonTom]

Yes, on my 2023 SS9 the bike functions normally with it unplugged.

On my 2020 SS9-, when the OBC fan opened, it gave me an error message.

I haven't attempted to put more amps in than the OBC normally does, but I will try it sometime soon.

I am curious about how you're going to do that.


-Don-  Reno, NV

[szczur333]

Yes, on my 2023 SS9 the bike functions normally with it unplugged.

On my 2020 SS9-, when the OBC fan opened, it gave me an error message.

I haven't attempted to put more amps in than the OBC normally does, but I will try it sometime soon.

I am curious about how you're going to do that.


-Don-  Reno, NV

depend how sophisticated energica software safaety is - if you put second charger in parallel on HV lines from original charger, then MAYBE this will charge faster - also it depends of wiring and contactors/fuses sizes etc, but for test +1-2A to max charging will no harm it and will be enough to just TEST IT - if this will work then you can replace wires/fuses in battery and probably even make 9-10kW ac