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[Motoproponent]

So with the home office being sold for parts and Energica USA not really in the financial position to repair/replace stuff for free anymore?

Anyone gonna start tinkering?

If so what would be your wishlist?

A center stand?
6KW AC Charging?
Bluetooth diagnostic?

Will we ever get to the point that the Zero guys did with racks of diginow third party chargers and shit?

[Ingineer]

You don't need to void your warranty for faster charging.   Just need a small CCS charger.  Wouldn't be too hard to build a 12kW unit from on old Tesla charger module.  (of course this requires a 60A 240V single-phase or 20A 3-phase circuit!)

[Stonewolf]

Most Energicas are already out of warranty anyway, it's not a long one.

[Specter]

remember the charger has to talk to the bike, even on ac, so building a new one, or even piggy backing a second one on may not be that easy, even as a master / slave setup it may be tricky, so might just go with a cheap DC fast charge.  you would need to get a 20 kw rated one though to get 12 kw true into the bike,  40A  x 330 ish volts.  the rating shown on chargers is not what they put out all the time but max potential.  500 volt 20 amp for 10 kw.  or 1000 v 10 amp if you got a hipot ccs1 (yes they make them to a kilovolt now since chevy and a few others came out with their ultium platform?? that runs around 800 volts.)

Aaron

[szczur333]

you are right but its depend of manufacturer
most of them rating power with 400VDC but some at 300V

so 20kW charger can have 50 or 75A module

also energica has 80S pack so this 336V is on 100% in theory, in real world max is about 331-332V, and on deep 0% is about 252V

ANYWAY - 20kW dc charger (50A) is a basic one, 10-15kW cost 100-200$ less so not worth to buy it for home usage, MAX DC amps are adjustable in charger

but if we talk about 6kW OBC, this can be done, but software part is the hardest

[Specter]

The CCS1 standard was originally 500 volts if i am not mistaken, then raised to 1000 volts when they started seeing packs that were above 500.  A 500 volt charger won't help an 800 volt bus.  When I had my custom charger built they asked me if i wanted 500 volt or 1kv.  I choose 500 as i was only thinking about the bike at the time.  NOW that i am looking at a Tesla cyber truck, im hoping it's under 500 volt so my charger still works, although i think a jumper will fix my charger as it just halves the amps by running the board pairs in series .vs. parallel per unit output.

Aaron

[Ingineer]

I can make a CAN bridge from the existing charger to a 12kW Tesla one, I've done this before on other platforms.  (If there is a reasonable demand, it's still some amount of work)

[Specter]

 but if energica's software is programmed to only go up to 15a on AC that's all you are going to get.  no matter how big the charger is, it tells it how much to do.

Aaron

[smithy]

but if energica's software is programmed to only go up to 15a on AC that's all you are going to get.  no matter how big the charger is, it tells it how much to do.

Aaron

Yep...I have a 32amp AC charger at home and the bike limits it to 15amps.

Smithy.

[Specter]

but if energica's software is programmed to only go up to 15a on AC that's all you are going to get.  no matter how big the charger is, it tells it how much to do.

Aaron

Yep...I have a 32amp AC charger at home and the bike limits it to 15amps.

Smithy.

i don't want to be splitting hairs with you, since i understand what you meant, but technically, that little box you plug into the wall and your bike is really just a sort of fancy switch, it puts AC to the bike and may limit how many amps.  the actual charger is part of the bike and under the seat.  It  is where the AC is converted to DC and sent to the battery.  your switch is a 32 amp switch, so is mine, but the charger which is on the bike, is 15 amp

aaron

aaron

[Ingineer]

I've solved this before.  The Tesla CHG has it's own J1772 interface, so all you need to do is watch the CCL from the BMS and respect that.  You could also just "pretend" to be a CCS and go in that way.  Plenty of options.

[ElectricRebel]

So with the home office being sold for parts and Energica USA not really in the financial position to repair/replace stuff for free anymore?

Anyone gonna start tinkering?

If so what would be your wishlist?

A center stand?
6KW AC Charging?
Bluetooth diagnostic?

Will we ever get to the point that the Zero guys did with racks of diginow third party chargers and shit?

My wishlist?
Liquid Cooled Battery with active cooling (with a HV AC compressor and heat exchangers)...
That it's possible to extract as much thermal heat between two DC charges, for prolonged 24 kW max charge power, and repeatedly having the possibility to charge with 24 kW over a day ...! Also a quieter gear train would be nice ... xD

[szczur333]

Yep...I have a 32amp AC charger at home and the bike limits it to 15amps.

Smithy.

bike is limited but if someone can reverse engineer software its easy to increase to even 48A
but then, you have to change all the wiring and ofcoruse charger it self

a lot easier to to will be just use external ccs or plug it to ccs port underneath, but with more quanity of dc station, faster ac is not that neceseary

[szczur333]

So with the home office being sold for parts and Energica USA not really in the financial position to repair/replace stuff for free anymore?

Anyone gonna start tinkering?

If so what would be your wishlist?

A center stand?
6KW AC Charging?
Bluetooth diagnostic?

Will we ever get to the point that the Zero guys did with racks of diginow third party chargers and shit?

My wishlist?
Liquid Cooled Battery with active cooling (with a HV AC compressor and heat exchangers)...
That it's possible to extract as much thermal heat between two DC charges, for prolonged 24 kW max charge power, and repeatedly having the possibility to charge with 24 kW over a day ...! Also a quieter gear train would be nice ... xD

I was riding/cruising on ss9+ in Tatra's in Slovakia 2 years ago with friend on ICE bike

conditions are perfect - sunny + ambient temps 18-22*C, my battery bms was faulty back then so I have to charge between 25-75% only but still on 50% of battery  I still can do about 100-120km - and I always get 22-24kW charging speed at start

my friend can;t even finish his meal between charges

[Ingineer]

Yep...I have a 32amp AC charger at home and the bike limits it to 15amps.

Smithy.

You have a 32A EVSE at home.  All it does is forward AC power to the on-board charger that actually does the power conversion.  That's the bottleneck for AC charging.