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[Specter]

10 percent is a pretty good rate when you compare that to what they charge as tariffs for us goods coming into their country.
i wonder if that applies to just the whole bike or repair parts and stuff too.

Aaron

[Richard230]

10 percent is a pretty good rate when you compare that to what they charge as tariffs for us goods coming into their country.
i wonder if that applies to just the whole bike or repair parts and stuff too.

Aaron

From what I have heard and read, it would also apply to every part imported from any country impacted by a tariff.

Now that Zero is manufacturing their bikes in the Philippines they will get hit with whatever the tariff rate is for that country (30%?) when their bikes are imported into the U.S. That is not going to do anything for their U.S. sales. If the situation continues, I would expect that most of their retail dealers here would just throw in the towel and give up selling Zeros and maybe any electric motorcycle, for that matter. 

[Richard230]

Thinking about it a little more, I wonder why the "import tax" is apparently based upon the retail price of the KTM and not the price paid by the U.S. importer to the factory in India? Something doesn't sound right here. 

[Specter]

there are way around that, i won't expound here but that can be worked around if they really wanted.

aaron

[CagivaRider]

Don't forget - Trump's tariffs are taxes on US citizens. They don't punish the exporters, they punish the importers' customers.

[Specter]

so the price of the item goes up, so the people buy American instead, so I guess it punishes those greedy Americans who now have jobs making the things that American's are now buying, made in America again.  The tariffs are also just a reciprocal to what is being charged against American's anyways.  If they didn't tax / tariff America's products going in, they would not have a tax on their products.  It's a reactionary tariff.  If your country does not like it, then take your 'tax' off American products.  If the customer as you put it,  don't want to pay a tariff, then buy American, yes it really IS that simple, and that's the purpose of it.  USA  USA  USA.


Aaron

[TheRan]

If the customer as you put it,  don't want to pay a tariff, then buy American, yes it really IS that simple, and that's the purpose of it.  USA  USA  USA.


Aaron

As has been said time and time again, the American made stuff just ends up being more expensive if they can even make it at all. If you can afford to pay that extra then that's fantastic for you, just fuck all the poor people right? Just take a look around you at everything you own and see how much of it is made somewhere other than America (even many things from American brands) and then challenge yourself to find American made alternatives at the same price if they even exist at all. Even the might Trump phone was made in China.

[Richard230]

I think that it is more likely that you could find bananas grown in the U.S., than electric motorcycles manufactured here. In fact, I have a friend who has a relative that lives in LA who actually grows bananas in his backyard.    But no one I know of builds electric motorcycles in the U.S. using made-in-America parts anymore, including Zero and H-D.

[Specter]

I have a banana tree in my yard, they grow fine in the usa. many things grow fine here, many things used to be made here too.


the reason stuff is not made much in the usa anymore is because other countries were undercutting american workers and selling the stuff a bit cheaper,  the poor pitiful poor bought the cheap shit, eventually closing the us makers down.  See that's the thing with people, they love their 24 dollar an hour minimum wage just to exist..not be productive, just show up and play on your phone at the office, yet don't have a clue where that money comes from to pay it.  Then they want their 50 cent toys.  They complain they can't  find a job, those few who actually are willing to work and not just the welfare brood... well the jobs went overseas because people quit supporting their fellow countrymen and bought the cheap shit, because ,it's cheap and they are cheap.

this didn't just happen, it took some decades to erode away to this point, but  the end product is irrefutable.  reversing that and making it so that americans CAN buy american products again made at home is going to take some time, and some sacrifice.  See that's another problem with first world people.  lazy, selfish, self absorbed, when you ask them to put some skin in the game, they scream and howl, just like any parasite when you pull it off it's host.  they want their free stuff, they want their cheap stuff, they want their gimme dats and government handouts, and want to put NOTHING of their own into the game.  and THIS is why their beloved communism fails every single time.

starvation is a powerful motivator.  get rid of all these welfare programs and handouts and make it like it used to be, you want to eat, then you better figure a way to earn some money to pay for the food.  too many entitled people thinking they are owed a comfortable life with all the luxuries, just because they exist.  there is plenty of food if you look or are willing to work, it's just not filets and caviar.

aaron

[ESokoloff]

If the customer as you put it,  don't want to pay a tariff, then buy American, yes it really IS that simple, and that's the purpose of it.  USA  USA  USA.


Aaron

As has been said time and time again, the American made stuff just ends up being more expensive if they can even make it at all
……….

Yep

https://youtu.be/3ZTGwcHQfLY?si=dfljuDlN-jaiJpbZ

It took decades to get to this point & will take considerable time to get out. 

Where does the tariff tax go?
There must be full accountability.

[Specter]

supposedly the tarriff is going to pay down the debt, and to pay for 'services' that your taxes supposedly pay for now, at least those who work and actually pay taxes.  he was floating doing away with the irs.  i can't see the latter happening, as politicians are too in love with your money to just let something like that go away.  I can also see many states trying to 'pick up' what the fed lets go of, ie well since you are no longer paying 20k a year in fed taxes we'll increase ours 12 k a year so you still get a break.

they tried that accountability thing with the Doge, and everyone is having a fit, how DARE you expose my honeypot!!  the only thing that is going to clean out the corruption in dc is a nuclear war wiping the place off  the map, or a full blown civil war, which inevitably would turn into a world war as well.

tariffs goto the government, the general fund, ideally... where they get earmarked to after that, god only knows, but yes, some accountability would be nice for a change.  it's just like when you pay income tax, it goes into the general pool to pay for all the free handouts.

aaron

[ESokoloff]

That’s not how it NEEDS to be.

If I’m being penalized for purchasing goods that I CANT obtain (made in) USA then that revenue NEEDS to be allocated such that it causes those unattainable (USA produced) goods to be attainable in the USA.

Many of “his” plains seem half thought out.

[Specter]

oh they have been thought out, very well, you just are not part of them.

Aaron

[TheRan]

You mean we. The kinds of people who benefit from things like this aren't the type who waste there time on things like online forums, we are far beneath them. Which then begs the question, why are you still defending it? It doesn't matter how you imagine it all to work in your fairy tale world, the reality is it just fucks us all over (well, actually I should exclude myself from this "we" because fortunately I'm not American). Even though you don't care because you're a rich boomer you will be paying more or getting lower quality products, for absolutely no reason other than Trumps bruised ego and lining the pockets of the elite.

[ESokoloff]

oh they have been thought out, very well, you just are not part of them.

Aaron

Yeah, I guess I forgot your the expert on everything.

Guess I also forgot about this…
https://youtu.be/PslOp883rfI?si=MaBgtwKUIGCcvknB