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[Specter]

 you are going to get a range of answers highly politicised depending on which side of the aisle the person is on.

frankly  in trumps eyes, companies tarriff american goods when we sell there,  ie you want THEIR product, then pay 50 percent more.
yet they can pour their goods into america and sell like crazy and not get charged an extea dime to do so.
he, and many other Americans do not think that is fair.
he wants to level the playing field,  you want to charge 50 percent more for american products to dissuade people from buying them, then we can do the same for your product.

yes there will be some pain, personally i think its a good idea,  it has cost america a bunch of money and jobs.   Many outside don't see it, or even care, because it's not them getting smashed by it.   Now they are getting a taste of what the american manufacturer is up against.

personally, while the theory is sound, I am no sure how well,  if i have a 20 percenrt tarriff,  why can't i just say ok, ill drop it to zero, ... but then raise the price of my goods 20 percent,  so,  look, no tarriff, but  still same price.  THAT though would help the manufacturer out, because they would get the money in the item cost, versus a tarriff, which the govt keeps I believe.

now the governments who have been pillaging the us are having a fit, because the gravy train of us cash to them is being cut essentially.
the people end up paying for it  in the long run, because no matter what the name or excuse, any price increase is ALWAYS borne by the customer.  Again most people don't give a rats ass about the long run or bigger picture, all they see is higher price, orange man evil.

most people are too emotional and irresponsible to be handling money anyways.  if you are a daytrader,  now is the time to get rich.  you not only know how the sheeple  will react, but they are broadcasting it as well.   oh YEAH, WELL IM  GONNA DO THIS!!!.

Don't know about you but im making mint on the crypto during this kerfluffle and hope it lasts till the end of the year tbh....at this rate, ill rake in another 1 to 1.2 mm  by august.

Aaron

[T.S. Zarathustra]

XKCD explaining tariffs.  https://xkcd.com/3073

[Specter]

  that is also why this mess is so bad anyways...  because government education is so pathetically poor, the kids would actually think that IS the reason for it all.  not having a clue about how both sides can make pizza's really... to put it in those terms.
Throw in a huge dose of narcissism with that and nobody gives a rats scrotum about anything but themselves.
I got my weed and wifi,  the world can burn down around me,  i don't care.  blorp blorp blorp.  pass the bong man.

for the one complaining about their lifes savings evaporating.... you need to seek financial counselling...seriously....
but on that,  just sit tight, in a few weeks,  a month ...this corrects and everything is right back where it was.

buy the dip.  learn to leave your emotions at home when dealing with money,  if you are a woman, yah i know that's a hard ask, but try.

aaron

[TheRan]

Sure everyone can make a pizza, but not to the same quality and price. "Made in the USA" isn't the universal sign of quality it once was and the stuff that is decent is generally way more expensive, just take a look at Snap-On, Harley (well, I suppose that one is debatable when it comes to quality), Zippo, made in the USA New Balance are like double the price. There's a reason I own nothing made in the USA except for my Zero and a couple Zippos, and quite frankly I wouldn't really want anything from there. To me America is just an exporter of resources to be used by other countries.

[Richard230]

The game of tariff chicken continues. China has raised its tariff on U.S. products entering the country to 125% starting tomorrow. China says that this is the last time they will participate in the tariff-raising fun. They say, correctly, that it has become a stupid game. Meanwhile, this is not going to help the price of most electric vehicle batteries and specialized parts.

BTW, the CBS radio news reports that the U.S. dollar is dropping against the Euro, with the value of the Euro rising to $1.30 this morning. That will raise the price of things imported from EU countries, such as certain German and Austrian motorcycles, including cars made in the EU and their replacement parts and accessories.

[Specter]

Of course china is going to say it's a stupid game, they are losing, and can't win in the long run.

Trump is correct on one thing though.  Being reliant on ANY other country, for vital stuff such as medicine etc, is just pure crazy.

NO Country should EVER make itself beholden to another for a critical product.

All of these so called games,  fixes this.
IF it  causes the prices to rise short term, thats the price you pay for your stupidity for letting yourselves get into that position to begin with.
hanging politicians would be a good start towards fixing the root causes of this stupidity / greed / corruption.

Aaron

[TheRan]

They're hardly losing, it's not like the US is the only country buying from them. And these tariffs fix nothing, they're just going to make Americans poorer or they go without. America isn't suddenly going to be able to cope without Chinese products by being able to make the same stuff at the same price. Like it or not but we are all reliant on China either for the cheap products they can produce or the unique materials they can supply.

[Richard230]

I am not looking forward to the time if I need to replace my 10-old Dell desktop computer due to a failure or because it can not be upgraded to Windows 11 when Windows 10 goes by-by this summer.   

[Specter]

if i had my way, id be running windows 7.  speaking from an ability to get under the hood, i think 7 was about the best for that, but yah the forced obscelescence is not fun.

i don't think 10 goes bye , just they stop supporting it, meaning they stop putting bugs and spyware on it in the guise of 'upgrades'.

 TheRan  you are correct, America is hooked on the cheap shit china floods us with.  will it work,  i think it will.  it will hurt a bit, any time someone quits a dependency whether it be drugs, social media, or... china.  it will be painful but they will be better for it.  You probably disagree, and i respect your right to do so, and well...  time will tell here.   Either way we all are in for one hell of a ride.   one can either sit back and cry about it all, or play the market and profit from it.   NO itS not evil to do so, if people want to knee jerk and sell on emotions.... that's their fault. ill gladly cash in on it.  I think we both agree there isn't a thing you or i can do to change it...so  use it to the best of your advantage.  Like I used to tell my men in the navy, you can't beat the system, but you CAN learn how it works, and make it work for you.

aaron

[TheRan]

TheRan  you are correct, America is hooked on the cheap shit china floods us with

But that's the thing, it's not just cheap Chinese trash. They make most of the good stuff too and it's the price it is because it's made in China. I dare you to take a look through all your electronics and then try and find American made alternatives, and then to make it even harder at the same price. And out of the few products that won't be made in China I imagine they will still be from countries getting hit with massive tariffs. Now are all of those products necessary? No, you can cope without, but it would be a massive decrease in quality of life.

[Richard230]

TheRan  you are correct, America is hooked on the cheap shit china floods us with

But that's the thing, it's not just cheap Chinese trash. They make most of the good stuff too and it's the price it is because it's made in China. I dare you to take a look through all your electronics and then try and find American made alternatives, and then to make it even harder at the same price. And out of the few products that won't be made in China I imagine they will still be from countries getting hit with massive tariffs. Now are all of those products necessary? No, you can cope without, but it would be a massive decrease in quality of life.

You might find this video interesting. The presenter follows your thoughts:

[Specter]

Sadly there have been a few companies that did solar made in the us.  they went under because although they cut costs to the bone, china slashed their prices by a few pennies a watt to eventually crush them out, even if it cost them in the short term.  This is part of the tactics that the tarriffs are trying to prevent as well.  unions are another evil that have made the cost of things unbearable for many.  yeah sure if you have a union job it's an absolute gravy train and you will fight for it and lie about your real 'worth' tooth and nail to protect it.  Unions have put countless people out of work as well and killed countless companies.   Bringing jobs back is only part of the battle.  Giving them to union shops is only guaranteeing that the stuff will be unaffordable to the little man.  Subsidies are NOT an answer either.
so whether the us strangles itself out via it's corrupt unions, or an outsider like china does it, the end result is the same.  lets bring high paying jobs, that just means the products they make are going to be high priced.
at least this way, if the mess is all 'american' ... if america truly wants to fix the problem, it's ALL there, right in their laps to fix.

lets say right now china says  fuck you round eye, we stop sending medicine to you !!  we can't even produce our own at this point, even at inflated prices.  THAT is totally unacceptable, AND totally OUR Fault.  It isn't just medicine either.  Our own ignorance and apathy led us into this mess, so do we just sit around the stereotypical fat wallowing american slob and let it continue, because... weed and wifi man, it's just easier... or do we start adulting and start fixing the mess we created / allowed to happen?

IT'S not an easy fix, and will require a bit of sacrifice from everyone, but nobody wants to be the one who sacrifices.  Everyone wants prices to go down, but NOT THEIR PAYCECKS.  I can make a car 1000 cheaper,  but the auto workers will need to take a 10/hr paycut.   I can make it go down another 1000 but the dealer will need to cut 1000 from his markup.. meaning his employees will have to take a paycut to make ends meet....  i can make it go down another 1000 but you'll have to adjust your own mirrors, and seats, and no fancy radio's and satellites, and climate controls... oh you need to pay cash for it too... that way we don't have to pay the bankers fees and interest etc...

so what's it going to be?

Aaron

[TheRan]

If they want to bring the medicine production to the US then why not just do that, why fuck up everything else just for the sake of sticking it to China? And the fact that another country produces it shouldn't even be a problem, it hasn't been a problem, unless you're someone like America who likes to go around making enemies. You only have to fear another country cutting you off if you give them a reason to, they still want money and they're not going to give that up just to spite you. Medicine is really no different to any other product, and isn't the only one that could be considered "vital". Just take a look at Russia, they invade another country and commit war crimes so everyone else cuts them off. That is all their own fault and could have been avoided if they had simply not been arseholes. They dug their own grave and now they will lie and rot in it because quite frankly, none of us need them. And America isn't in that much of a better position than them especially to someone like China (as shown by them raising their tariffs in retaliation).

[Richard230]

My understanding is that most of our prescription medicine comes from India, not China.

[Fran K]

...........Just take a look at Russia, because quite frankly, none of us need them.

I want a Kalashnikov electric motorcycle.