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Down We Go
« on: April 02, 2025, 04:34:16 AM »

Got some broken fingers and thumb so typing is a challenge, ill do my best but excuse the typos
so im at the track and its lookin like its going to be a shitshow.  there are 34 people in novice and 32 im intermdiate.  its packed
i want to work on my turn 1 and 13 entry amd 13 into 14 for the blind imto 1 entry. im going to be trying some new approaches.  because there are so many people you cant really hide out so i decided i better drop back down into novice.  if i cant hide THEY cant hide and you cant be changing your line in intermed. thats bad. so novice it is....besides  itll let me practice ,my passing, something i dont get to do a whole bunch in intermediate  so i thought

So im doing my thing, passing people here and there,  sniping them two at a time in the straight    1 at a time  whatever is safe.  just got past 2 of 3 from the group in front of me behind the last one,   next group is one person and they are ehh 200 feet ahead of us  its good. we are making our way around turn 1 and im lining up behind him on the inside on this turn waiting for turn 2 apex to pass because 2 is no passing.  i also want to wait for the kink to make sure what he does. more experienced peeps stay to the right on a race line   but a lot of noobs will cross over to apex it.  last lap he stayed right which means i blow by him on the left and will have plenty of time to get by and back on the line and then into the lean for the dive into 3.  if he crosses instead. no prob i fly by on his right and im already on the line i need ... either way im good, i just need to know his intent

he stays right.  awesome!!  i duck and hammer it.. duck and twist..wot until im past him.  2 is the fast part of the track so he humps it too.  no problem ive got the torque and hp to fly past him. one of the beauties of electric.

im giving him wide berth.... one thing i learned in novice be a gentleman  play nice.  if you fly up on people you spook them if you are right on their ass you spook them and they can do stupid shit.   if you are nice..... they do stupid shit......if they are all alone...they do stupid shit.. notice a pattern forming here???  always try to have an out.
Besides, this is novice They dont know any better, thats why they  are here, so we can teach them.  dont be an asshole. be an educator

hes moving over slightly so i am watching him as i am closing fast and accelerating fast.  i look ahead  clear sailing..

what i didnt know was that the girl in front of him people were complaining about her all morning.  she'd go balls to the wall in the straightaway then throw a boat anchor into the turns.

when you come into a turn there are countdown markers  3...2...1   so you can gauge when to brake and start prepping the turn.   well right about what would probably be 5 she moved to the center of the track...to get ready for turn 3  600-700 feet ahead....and grabbed a whole handfull of brake/// right in  front of the guy i was passing.   i did not actually see this part, i was told this by 3 or 4 people who seen the wreck unfold and came over to make sure i was ok after the fact.

so here i am passing this guy id say a closure of ehh 25 mph and rising quickly.  i, wot  you dont fuck around in a high speed pass  there was no time to play i had to get past get over WELL in front of him and set up for the dive into 3,  (again its novice.. if you slide right in front of someone it can spook them badly so 6 foot passing alll around) all of the sudden he just dove right into my path and hard!!  He had no choice really. SHE anchored right in front of him he was getting ready to collect her at probably 50 or 60 mph, He did what he had to do, an emergency dive to avoid her.

on a track you have no mirrors  you cant see behind you and you DONT turn around to look, he had no idea he was aiming straight into my path.

i see him coming in and yell no!! no no  im moving over but im out of track hes still coming over fast and im still going hard hes gonna hit me its unavoidable  this all happens in about a second to a second and a half.   time sloes down ....then stands still

i remember saying to myself grass aaron..  i was trying to get into the grass hoping by some miracle he juuuust misses me... ive been in the grass before...its no big deal

i remember feeling a push and hearing plastic crunch.  i remember feeling like i just banged into a HUGE pothole and was sitting down so it was a boot to the ass and the handlebars leave my hand and hearing like a gunshot and thinking did he backfire?? thats odd...it was the airbag going off.  i remember briefly like floating and looking but it was like a dream like looking at empty sky or something it was like a dream or something.

then it felt like someone smashed me with a baseball  bat as i hit pavement bounced and went airborne again.  about half a second later i chest / face planted.  it just felt like someone chest thumped me and i could hear my helmet grinding on the pavement..and then i was off again for my next flip.

i remember smelling that nasty smell of plastic burning or being ground and briefly thinking eww  i hope i dont have to smell that shit all day,    Now that i have had a few days to think upon it and replay this event 1000 times over in my head. i ask  why the FUCK are you worried about the smell of plastic and all of the other trivial things you came up with??  With all the SHIT thats going on right now and you are worried about plastic smell???  I honestly think your brain does this intentionally, its like a coping mechanism, to try to distract you from the reality of the trauma going on right now.  maybe the little distractions keep you from just shutting down totally. i don't know..while its a very interesting subject. i dont think i want to do anymore research into it!!

the next thud i landed flat on my back which knocked the wind out of me  i could hear the leather just TEARING and grinding apart on the pavement and thinking oh shit i hope this suit holds up i also felt like this huge tug like someone was dragging me across the pav ement  that was the deceleration force of the leather burning the energy off into the pavement like a huge brake pad.

this time i flipped i also started rolling  the grind of the leather sound transitioned into a different grinding roaring sound.  off i go again... i remember feeling a burning in my thumb and saying oh just burned thru the glove tuck your arms aaron

imagine looking at a blender and everything is just flying by round and round and every second or so.  the view just stops like someone hit pause for a quarter of a second..and theres your world frozen in time for that instant before it all starts flying by again.  in that instant i see the world again upside down... the pavement is in the sky at an odd angle and that roaring // my bike goes flying past me sparks flying everywhere!!  my vision focus' keenly on the bike watching it slide down the track into the distance and im thinking what the hell is the sparks from..that cant be the battery its not pink and off i go again

i rolled and tumbled several more times and came to a stop right in the middle of the track on my back. i never left the pavement

i laid there for what i thought was a few seconds and began looking around to see where i was at,  i was turning my head back and forth.. my body wasnt moving for sone reason  just then a tire passed about 4 inches from my face and i was like oh shit i need to get off the track before they run me over... immediately like a panic hit me and i was yelling where is thr other guy,  where is he at!!  and began looking around.  about 5 seconds later i spotted him up in the grass so decided to roll over to stand up to go help him...he wasnt moving at all and i got a sick feeling.

i couldn't move

in my brain i was saying push up with your elbows and roll over, but nothing was happening. i said did you break ypur back then immediately said NO id have to had felt that and tried to wiggle my toes. they worked and i said keep trying aaron. my shoulders moved a bit and after about 15 times i was able to rock back and forth a little more each time until i finally flipped over.  i tried to stand but my legs just were not up to the task yet so i limp crawled off the track to go help the other guy.

he started to regain consciousness as i arrived, it probably took me a minute or so  to get there. i wasnt moving too well either yet,  i started triaging him and kept him talking until the ambulance arrived.  at some point he asked if i could remove his glove because his hand hurt. i tried to but couldnt grasp, so had to tell him im sorry bro i cant my fingers are broke and i cant hold onto it hard enough to pull it off and felt really bad about it.

eventually it got sorted the bikes loaded into the crash truck.. he had an ambulance ride and i took the ride of shame on the bike on the back of the truck to keep it from tipping over back there.  then i started walking it off a bit and people who seen the wreck were checking to see if i was ok and telling me what happened since they were further back and got to see the whole picture.   she went home after that totally oblivious, telling the people who tracked her down to let her know that she almost killed two people out there.  that it was  his fault because he was BEHIND  her and that was that.

i tried to dl the data off my suit but it was acting up so had to do it at home where i had tools to work in damaged stuff etx,  what little i did get..
he impacted me i was at 126 mph
the bike had a huge upset and basically catapulted me at 182 mph.. i was highsided and thrown.
i was a bit skeptical on the 180 but my friend said, aaron.. you were at full throttle on a bike that has  HOW many HP???  HOW much torque  ??? it could have been a lot worse.
i flew 2.26 seconds  before i finally hit the asphalt still doing 116 mph
i rolled twisted and flipped 12 times before the data corrupted  the last input was gps 48 mph

my knees and shoulders have titanium sliders on them along with the pucks,  the metal is discolored blue black from the heat of the grind.  when they were helping me take off whats left of my gear after the crash i joked hey look  i finally learned how to drag a knee!!

about half an hour later i was calmed down enough to drive my ass home, i had to get my id to goto the navy hospital Jacksonville, and figured that just in case i stay overnight. let me get all the animals fed and watered/so took care of that too.

i went to the navy hospital to get my fingers set and after telling them i hit the pavement at 116 they asked and you just walked away? i said umm yah...and began explaining airbag technology and level 2 armor and all the stuff we have to keep safe.  the surgeon said wow never heard of that i told him, im parked right outside the door, heres the keys to my silverado go take a look, all my tore up shit is in the front seat. but it is trashed pretty bad.  he said you did all that just today and i said, yes...as i said..that suit saved my life. he made a call then told thr guy working on me..get him in the trauma unit now, and get a cervical collar on him.  im telling him im fine he is like NO you are not, thats the adrenaline talking, im like NO, thats why you wear 5000 dollars of gear, so you CAN walk away...  no help,  spent the next 9 hours getting head to toe cat scan, mri, x rays, ultrasounds, blood, pee, poke here pinch there on and on.

i ended up with a broken middle finger on the left hand and a ruptured tendon that is splinted hoping it scar seals back together.  its also got a lot of blood pooled so they want to check next week  broken thumb on right hand in a cast of sorts and a hairline on mt right ankle but thats the foot i destroyed in last years mishap so its pretty paralyzed anyways and honestly not really bothering me.,  my forearms are bright red  dark red..the impact burst the blood vessels in them (NO it is not road rash) thank god for the Kevlar under the leather skin never touched pavement

I hit the pavement at 116 MPH and walked away,  let that sink in a minute.

Folks:  Airbags save lives.  Safety equipment SAVES LIVES.  I am genuine STILL ALIVE proof of this.

 pavement is pavement world wide and it WILL devour you if given a chance.

See, this is what i don't understand.  You'll spend 30 grand on a bike, then want to get cheap when it comes to the gear thats going to KEEP YOU ALIVE on that bike.  It makes no sense.  Or worse. just wear nothing because your'e badass man.  Let me give you a hint:  When people see you playing squid missile, they don't say WOW what a badass!!  they say, wow, what a dumbass.

Please spend the extra money to get the better gear.  I cant tell you how many wrecks ive seen now, where people are wearing the cheapest crap they can to be allowed on the track, wreck and it chews thru and they end up losing fingers or worse.   When the EMT crew is searching grass for the leg muscle that got torn off, seeing if maybe it can be saved, and not become a snack for the alligators when the sun goes down later on.... that's a bad day for you.

 PLEASE
Do it for your family.  Your kids need a mommy and daddy to raise them properly.
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Re: Down We Go
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2025, 10:20:10 AM »

Which airbag have you gone with? It may not be directly applicable but I'm after one for myself and wifey.

Good to hear you are mostly in one piece, but boy are you going to get sorer for a while yet (lower speed stackson dirt and car crashes), don't ignore the advice of any recover ex phys/physio

Hows the bike?
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Re: Down We Go
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2025, 05:45:27 PM »

Sorry to hear about the crash what I assume is a fairly damaged bike, but glad to hear you're OK. The bit about not being able to move had me worried. Wiggling my fingers and toes used to be the first thing I did after a big crash. (I've not raced for over 20 years, but there have been a few highsides and some impacts with tyrewalls I'm not going to forget in a hurry.)

However, if you've not even got your knee down then you're still very much at the beginning of your on-track journey. It might be worth dialing back the comments on what other riders should and shouldn't have been doing. To someone with a bit more track experience your riding may well seem exactly like the girl you're ripping into. Everyone's got to learn and we've all been the newbie at some point.
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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2025, 07:15:11 PM »

The bike amazingly enough isn't TOO bad,  it face planted so the front is banged up then it looks like it just fell on its side and slid all the way to its stop, using the handlebar and foot pegs as a frame slider.   fairings are destroyed of course, but no bent shocks or anything that looks really major.  new fairings, wind shield, control panel, handlebar, switches on it and a wire harness, and left foot peg.   if this is it then i got real lucky, if it cartwheeled then it probably would have been destroyed.

the part about dragging a knee was sarcasm,  trying to make light of just about killing myself.  I already know how to do that, however that shouldn't really be a goal, but rather a by product of better riding.  if you are pushing yourself to drag a knee then you are really asking for trouble, let it come naturally.

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Re: Down We Go
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2025, 07:32:11 PM »

graetful it was the dianese misano i believe they call it.  this is one of the older techs so ill have to take it in to be recharged and of course see if the suit is even repairable.

alpine stars makes a great one too thats a vest that you put on under your suit, so in my case, if i wasnt injured,  i could just get new gear and put a new cartridge in it and wear it under the next and good to go.

a/s tends to be a bit more user versatile, serviceable, where dianese tends to be more pro racer geared.  I believe their suits are thicker, but heavier, and offer more protection, that's just MY opinion.  Them not wanting you to recharge it your self is, they want to make sure it's working properly.  Just because your suit may not have taken much damage does not mean it's still opeerational.  they want to check that.  That's a good thing  imo

there are some others that are tether operated but i don't think those are the best.  what if you lowside and stay with the bike for a bit, it may not pull it far enough to set it off, and thats bad.


A/S their full leathers have two modes  track and street, and dianese i think it's only racing/track, but i think they are in the process of changing this because a/s is becoming strong competition to them now and they need to keep up with the timed.

You may ask why would you want to wear racing leathers on the road?   well, when it's28 degrees out, the sure as hell help keep you warmer when you are at highway speeds.

please do your research on them and see which model best fits your need, but at the end of the day, ANY airbag is far better than flesh/bone .vs. solid ground in an impact, and grinding situation.


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« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2025, 05:52:56 PM »

Get well soon! 


The track organizations I ride with do not alllow passing once you get into the braking zone or in the corners, you must be only straight up and down to pass, unless you are in the advance or expert group. 

That is a good practice to incorporate in track riding, because you just do not know what the person in front of you is going to do unless they are expert and predictable.

Next time out, ride with the more experienced riders, they will be less likley to surprise... and the differential in speed will be less of a problem.




This video explains it well:

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« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2025, 06:53:08 PM »

i wasnt in the braking zone pard  i was well before it.  saying the numbers  4 and 5 were just to give you an idea about how far before them she was when she hit the brakes.   no way would i want to complete a turn when its time to brake, im not that good yet.  i like to be back on line and settled in if possible before we get to the countdown. ive see  too many run offs being late on a turn because they passed too late / too slow there, and been stuffed before in a turn...trust me.  i genuinely try NOT to do that to other people, that's how wrecks happen!!

agreed on the stay in intermed/exp groups,  was just trying to be nice and not be changing stuff up when im in a group that you are expected to be consistent.   lesson learned.

from this point if i need to be trying something new ill keep it to private track days, where the numbers are smaller and i can let folks know, hey, im gonna be working on 13 today so don't crowd me there.   being in smaller groups its not a problem anyways, nobody else is around you most the time.

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« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2025, 06:54:52 PM »

i wasnt in the braking zone pard  i was well before it.  saying the numbers  4 and 5 were just to give you an idea about how far before them she was when she hit the brakes.   no way would i want to complete a turn when its time to brake, im not that good yet.  i like to be back on line and settled in if possible before we get to the countdown. ive see  too many run offs being late on a turn because they passed too late / too slow there, and been stuffed before in a turn...trust me.  i genuinely try NOT to do that to other people, that's how wrecks happen!!

agreed on the stay in intermed/exp groups,  was just trying to be nice and not be changing stuff up when im in a group that you are expected to be consistent.   lesson learned.

from this point if i need to be trying something new ill keep it to private track days, where the numbers are smaller and i can let folks know, hey, im gonna be working on 13 today so don't crowd me there.   being in smaller groups its not a problem anyways, nobody else is around you most the time.

aaron

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« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2025, 05:24:58 AM »



Thumbs up!

i cant'   it's broke  8) ;D

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« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2025, 12:43:08 PM »

The way the bars got ripped out of your hands and you flipped so many times seems to indicate a violent high side. In a low side, one would mostly slide to a stop, and the damage would be limited to one side of the bike -- unless it had gone off the edge of the track and started flipping.

Although the bike didn't seem too bad, it's possible the frame or subframe is bent. I'm not sure it's possible to tell just by looking. I never checked mine, but I heard mechanics can use some sort of laser measuring device to check the frame. Also, bolts might be sheared off, the forks might be a little twisted in the triple clamps, handlebars might be bent, and other things like that.

Hope you have a speedy recovery!!
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« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2025, 05:41:21 AM »

Do they have corner workers and course control? It sounded like a red flag situation. I'm glad you are OK. I had a few of those when leathers were not even really padded. Road burns hurt.
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« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2025, 12:12:47 AM »

oh it absolutely was a red flag,  they sent the ambulance out for both of us.  luckily after i crawled off the track and settled out a bit i was able to walk off... well  actually rode the back of the bike on the crash truck.

curt yes it was a very violent highside, and the thing i find strange... as time goes on, i remember more and more details of the crash, but still to this day do not remember a thing past the initial impact and bag deployment really...i don't remember the initial launch or any air flipping prior to the initial impact,  it's all like fuzzy dream quality and like i can't lock in on any specific ...thing.. that i try to.

fortunately i walked away though. a testament to how vital safety gear is to rider safety.

i would strongly advise street riders to get an airbag unit.  not necessarily a full body suit, but a leather jack with airbag vest like the alpine stars 5 or 7 would absolutely be a life saver.

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« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2025, 09:54:20 PM »

Seconded on the airbag recommendation! I bought a Dainese Misano airbag jacket secondhand and 3 days later someone ran right into the back of me at a red light at full speed while looking at his phone. The bike was totaled (a new-to-me MV Agusta Turismo Veloce that I never even got a chance to properly ride), but I walked away with only some muscle soreness. I came off the saddle and landed flat on my back, which was like landing on a bouncy house castle due to the airbag. If not for that, I don’t know what the impact would have done to my spine.
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« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2025, 12:57:41 AM »

i can not recommend enough the back armor as well.
lets say there was a sharp rock there ,you rake across it,  that sharp point on that rock is going to jam right smack into your spine, at one vertebrae, or what, with all it's force... grinding, scraping, just the inertia and initial impact, if focused on a small point like that can easily break your back, paralyze you.   now put a back protector on, with the force mitigated across the entire plastic entity and the blunt force impact / sharp point, like you sticking a knife blade into a chicken knuckle to cut a leg quarter as an example, is now dissipated across the plastic, and you feel like a gentle hand giving you a bit of a push on your back instead.
you really don't feel the armor either after about a minute or so after donning it and adjusting properly.

thats how many spine injuries happen, a sharp input poking and ripping at one spot.  that airbag probably saved a spinal injury.
glad you are ok there.   traffic accidents are the worst especially when you are sitting unable to even move out of the way,  total sitting duck.

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