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[Phaedrus]

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https://www.electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=13382.msg128909#msg128909

[Specter]

energica is running low on all body parts,  im seeing this first hand as well.  until the bankruptcy mess is settled, they really can't buy anything,  the account custodian typically is the only one to make major purchases, and well sorry but your and my bike are not a very high priority to that 3rd party person right now.

aaron

[szczur333]

I have crashed ss9+ 2020 - its not dead, it turn on and charging - I almost I can put in gear but give me a kill switch pressed message


as looking for parts - I realized energica is very simolar bike with DUCATI 848 STREETFIGHTER - i mean look at it -  overall shape/frame/fairings/front suspensions/front wheel/brakes

as far as I know for now my only electrical issue is related to complety destroyed abs pump - mechanical damage + missing plastic and also torn out connector so i have bare cables exposed

I was quoted for 800euro with used energica abs pump but as I see ducati 848 has the same pump (at least physically) prices for used are from 50euro I will try to use it - just need to find proper connector to it and also most important thing - electrical diagram

[DerKrawallkeks]

Hello,
you should find the electrical diagram easily, it's available on the internet.
Your Killswitch problem is caused by the "seat switch" I think. That's a switch that detects that the seat is closed, otherwise it won't go into drive mode.

[szczur333]

yeah, it seat switch, i pressed id by finger and i can able to put it in GO

[Specter]

well that part is an easy fix.  the rest now. good luck.  just because a pump may look the same, does not mean it is,  be careful on that.

aaron

[most]

as looking for parts - I realized energica is very simolar bike with DUCATI 848 STREETFIGHTER - i mean look at it -  overall shape/frame/fairings/front suspensions/front wheel/brakes

as far as I know for now my only electrical issue is related to complety destroyed abs pump - mechanical damage + missing plastic and also torn out connector so i have bare cables exposed

Please don‘t use any other ABS module than the one for your bike. The parts might be physically identical, but the black plastic part houses an ECU that drives the ABS solenoids (valves). And this depends on SW that is specifically customized for each model. The SW consists of base SW that drives the valves and motor and the application SW that manages how the ABS is run. This depends on available variables, like a set of given parameters that is specific for the bike model plus variables that the ABS collects from external sensors (IMU if present, ABS wheel sensors, pressure sensors etc.). There is already a high likeliness that the ABS module part numbers are different for the Ribelle, SS9 and Ego. For sure it is different for the Experia as only the ExPee has a 6-axis IMU.

So you risk a proper ABS function if you just swap a Ductati ABS module into the Energica. I can‘t say if it even powers up without errors.

BTW: The cylindrical part is the ABS motor and the aluminum block houses the mechanical part of the pump and the solenoids for the front and rear brake circuits. The black part houses the connector and the ECU, which in turn contains the SW plus driver ICs for the ABS motor.

[szczur333]

as looking for parts - I realized energica is very simolar bike with DUCATI 848 STREETFIGHTER - i mean look at it -  overall shape/frame/fairings/front suspensions/front wheel/brakes

as far as I know for now my only electrical issue is related to complety destroyed abs pump - mechanical damage + missing plastic and also torn out connector so i have bare cables exposed

Please don‘t use any other ABS module than the one for your bike. The parts might be physically identical, but the black plastic part houses an ECU that drives the ABS solenoids (valves). And this depends on SW that is specifically customized for each model. The SW consists of base SW that drives the valves and motor and the application SW that manages how the ABS is run. This depends on available variables, like a set of given parameters that is specific for the bike model plus variables that the ABS collects from external sensors (IMU if present, ABS wheel sensors, pressure sensors etc.). There is already a high likeliness that the ABS module part numbers are different for the Ribelle, SS9 and Ego. For sure it is different for the Experia as only the ExPee has a 6-axis IMU.

So you risk a proper ABS function if you just swap a Ductati ABS module into the Energica. I can‘t say if it even powers up without errors.

BTW: The cylindrical part is the ABS motor and the aluminum block houses the mechanical part of the pump and the solenoids for the front and rear brake circuits. The black part houses the connector and the ECU, which in turn contains the SW plus driver ICs for the ABS motor.

ouch, so ego 2017 will be not good for 2020 ss9 ?

[most]

For sure Ducati 848 will be incompatible. I don‘t know if Ego 2017 will work. Worst case for you is that you mount it and it *seems* to be working fine but some tiny parameters are different which only have an effect in Some borderline situation. Well I would not gamble like that…

Try to compare part numbers. Same part number means identical SW and parameters!

[PWM]

Saw You-Tube video (some time ago) about an OEM developing ABS for vehicle specific stopping / profile and the iterative testing plus regulatory steps needed to implement...it's not cheap and takes a long time, like 24months...Energica likely submitted once and applies the same ABS assembly to all models is just a guess.

That said, these modules are built by single vendor (probably Bosch?) and they will have common color code assignments for power, sensor and actuator wiring...maybe even same connector type but the firmware profiles are OEM model specific, as already mentioned e.g. Ducati has different weight distribution so agreed, it's not compatible but Ego is virtually identical to SS9, so no hesitation on what selection to make, IMO.

Bummer about the crash, good attitude about getting back on, keep us posted on the progress.

Just looked at 2020 Energica wiring diagram and ABS controller is standalone, interacts thru CanBus, so maybe a code compatibility risk still exists...

[most]

(probably Bosch?)

It is produced by Bosch. Continental has been RFQ‘ed for the early models and again for the Experia but Bosch got nominated.
Safest bet really is to compare part numbers.

[szczur333]

can anyone tak dimensions of original rear brake lever, diameter and lenght

I will order it from china probably but I want something with similar dimesions

Mine is totally gone

[Specter]

drop it or crash it?  hopefully the first as the second can get very expensive!

new england shop might have one if energica san fran does not.  otherwise, isn't that one of the parts that other oem's fight on?  ducatti comes to mind.

aaron

[szczur333]

crash, but i know now - its 50mm, i ordered from aliexpress for 4$ (40mm)

but if this will be enough I can always fit some spacers in between

[Specter]

that's one thing that sucks about the bike,  if it goes over, pretty much a guarantee the brake handle is borked,  50 / 50 rear brake takes it in the keyster too.  let us know how the ali part fits for you

aaron