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Error battery module ineligible happened while riding
« on: December 18, 2024, 05:32:28 AM »

OTW to work, exit highway, sitting on the ramp to turn left. A space opens up in the adjacent lane that will get me closer to the light and hopefully make it through without having to wait for another light change. I move the throttle to go, but the bike doesn't move. No response.
ERROR BATTERY MODULE INELIGIBLE banner pops up on the display. I hit the kill switch, key off, key on, and it's back to normal, working fine. Battery was at normal temp with 44SOC left. Never seen this before in 4 years and 60k miles. The rest of the commute was uneventful. At work I checked and error 31 was set. I cleared it.
Any opinions? I'd rather not go to a dealer if I can avoid it. If its some rare glitch... sucks but ok I guess.
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02033     12/17/2024 14:07:43    ¿©ûMod 2 needs disconnect   
 02034     12/17/2024 14:07:43   ØÊªûDisable flags changed. Old: 0x0000 New: 0x0008   
 02035     12/17/2024 14:07:43   ÀΫûState change from RUN to STOP   
 02036     12/17/2024 14:07:43   0x51 0xa8 0x49 0x04 0x00 0xac 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x38 0x8f 0x01 0x00 0xb4 0x14 0x00 0x00 0x2d 0x09 0x00 0x00 0x2c 0x48 0x8f 0x01 0x00 0x89 0x9e 0xff 0xff 0x53 0x54 0x4f 0x50 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x90 0x0b 0x00 0x00 0x4c 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x29 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x32 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x27 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xd8 0xfe 0xc7 0x00 0xb2 0x48 0xfd ???   
 02037     12/17/2024 14:07:43   M­ûDisch limits: curr 1063 cap 1063 act 2147483647 pow 108638   
 02038     12/17/2024 14:07:43   M®ûCh limits: curr 0 cap 0 act 0 pow 94   
 02039     12/17/2024 14:07:43   0x54 0x90 0x4d 0x04 0x00 0xaf 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xd8 0xfd 0xff 0xff 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x5e 0xa8 0x01 0x00 0xb2 0x41 0xfd ???   
 02040     12/17/2024 14:07:43   `U°ûFault pending: MODULE_INELIGIBLE sets in 30 seconds   
 02041     12/17/2024 14:07:43   0]±ûFault set: MODULE_DISABLED   
 02042     12/17/2024 14:07:43   a²ûFault set: BMS_CHARGE   
 02043     12/17/2024 14:07:43   èh³ûFault set: BMS_STATE   
 02044     12/17/2024 14:07:44   ?x´ûDisable flags changed. Old: 0x0008 New: 0x000c   
 02045     12/17/2024 14:07:44   p|µûMod_num:(elig, discharge_elig, charge_elig)   
 02046     12/17/2024 14:07:44   X?¶û; 2(0x200, 0x08, 0x14)   
 02047     12/17/2024 14:07:44   @?·ûState change from STOP to WAIT   
 02048     12/17/2024 14:07:44   ?£¸ûEnabled bms 2 clear faults flag   
 02049     12/17/2024 14:07:44   0x51 0x38 0xa9 0x05 0x00 0xb9 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x60 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x54 0x69 0x01 0x00 0xb0 0x04 0x00 0x00 0x1d 0x09 0x00 0x00 0x2c 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x57 0x41 0x49 0x54 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x90 0x0b 0x00 0x00 0x4c 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x29 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x32 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x27 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xe8 0x26 0xc8 0x00 0xb2 0x48 0xfd ???   
 02050     12/17/2024 14:07:44    ­ºûDisch limits: curr 1063 cap 1063 act 2147483647 pow 103217   
 02051     12/17/2024 14:07:44   ±»ûCh limits: curr 0 cap 0 act 0 pow 94   
 02052     12/17/2024 14:07:44   0x54 0x08 0xb1 0x05 0x00 0xbc 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xd8 0xfd 0xff 0xff 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xb2 0x45 0xfd ???   
 02053     12/17/2024 14:07:56   09
½ûCHARGER LSS: Freeing CHARGER node id 0x10 for charger 0   
 02054     12/17/2024 14:08:13   ÀE¾ûFault set: MODULE_INELIGIBLE   
 02055     12/17/2024 14:08:13   ÀE¿ûOBD-II - Set Confirmed DTC: 24 = P1A1E   
 02056     12/17/2024 14:08:19   h¿ÀûKill Sw = STOP   
 02057     12/17/2024 14:08:19   8ÇÁûDisable flags changed. Old: 0x000c New: 0x000d   
 02058     12/17/2024 14:08:19   ?m
ÂûKill Sw = RUN   
 02059     12/17/2024 14:08:19   Pu
ÃûDisable flags changed. Old: 0x000d New: 0x000c   
 02060     12/17/2024 14:08:22   ??ÄûControl flags changed. Old: 0x4046 New: 0x4066   
 02061     12/17/2024 14:08:23   øâ ÅûKey Sw = OFF   
 02062     12/17/2024 14:08:23   (R
ÆûControl flags changed. Old: 0x4066 New: 0x4068   
 02063     12/17/2024 14:08:23   (R
ÇûState change from WAIT to HIB   
 02064     12/17/2024 14:08:23   Ð³
ÈûMTC pending change by 3 from 0 to 0
   
 02065     12/17/2024 14:08:23   0x51 0xb8 0xb7 0x0d 0x00 0xc9 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x60 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xc8 0x32 0x00 0x00 0xb0 0x04 0x00 0x00 0x0a 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x2c 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x48 0x49 0x42 0x00 0x00 0x30 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x8b 0x0b 0x00 0x00 0x49 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x28 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x68 0x65 0xc4 0x00 0xb2 0x48 0xfd ???   
 02066     12/17/2024 14:08:23    »
ÊûDisch limits: curr 1063 cap 1063 act 2147483647 pow 103217   
 02067     12/17/2024 14:08:23   ?¿
ËûCh limits: curr 0 cap 0 act 0 pow 94   
 02068     12/17/2024 14:08:23   0x54 0x88 0xbf 0x0d 0x00 0xcc 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xd8 0xfd 0xff 0xff 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xff 0xff 0xff 0xff 0xb2 0x2e 0xfd ???   
 02069     12/17/2024 14:08:23   @Ë
ÍûFault cleared: MODULE_INELIGIBLE   
 02070     12/17/2024 14:08:23   (Ï
ÎûFault cleared: MODULE_DISABLED   
 02071     12/17/2024 14:08:23   øÖ
ÏûFault cleared: BMS_CHARGE   
 02072     12/17/2024 14:08:23   àÚ
ÐûFault cleared: BMS_STATE   
 02073     12/17/2024 14:08:23   °â
ÑûControl flags changed. Old: 0x4068 New: 0x0060   
 02074     12/17/2024 14:08:23    ú
ÒûStopping 12v charge.  DC-DC 12881272uV, Battery 12871016uV, Combined 12897423uV, Ambient 30C   
 02075     12/17/2024 14:08:23   àÔÓûKill Sw = STOP   
 02076     12/17/2024 14:08:23   °ÜÔûDisable flags changed. Old: 0x000c New: 0x000d   
 02077     12/17/2024 14:08:28   èÇ   ÕûKey Sw = ON   
 02078     12/17/2024 14:08:28   ¸Ï   ÖûControl flags changed. Old: 0x0060 New: 0x006e   
 02079     12/17/2024 14:08:28    Ó   ×ûState change from HIB to WAIT   
 02080     12/17/2024 14:08:28   ?
ØûControl flags changed. Old: 0x006e New: 0x0066   
 02081     12/17/2024 14:08:28   P

ÙûRequesting 12v charge. DC-DC 440744uV, Battery 13101776uV, Combined 12333321uV, Ambient 30C   
 02082     12/17/2024 14:08:28   0x51 0x50 0x04 0x0b 0x00 0xda 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x60 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xc8 0x32 0x00 0x00 0xb0 0x04 0x00 0x00 0x0a 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x57 0x41 0x49 0x54 0x00 0x30 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x8b 0x0b 0x00 0x00 0x49 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x28 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x70 0xfa 0xc6 0x00 0xb2 0x48 0xfd ???   
 02083     12/17/2024 14:08:28   8 ÛûDisch limits: curr 1063 cap 1063 act 2147483647 pow 103217   
 02084     12/17/2024 14:08:28   8 ÜûCh limits: curr 0 cap 0 act 0 pow 94   
 02085     12/17/2024 14:08:28   0x54 0x20 0x0c 0x0b 0x00 0xdd 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xd8 0xfd 0xff 0xff 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xb2 0x3c 0xfd ???   
 02086     12/17/2024 14:08:28    ÞûFault pending: THROTTLE_MAP sets in 90 seconds   
 02087     12/17/2024 14:08:28   Ø ßûControl flags changed. Old: 0x0066 New: 0x4066   
 02088     12/17/2024 14:08:30   ¸|àûDisable flags changed. Old: 0x000d New: 0x0005   
 02089     12/17/2024 14:08:30   ¨? áûRegistering Mod 2 (102951mV, 0 brick )   
 02090     12/17/2024 14:08:31   ?âûState change from WAIT to STOP   
 02091     12/17/2024 14:08:31   ?2ãûAll Contactors open   
 02092     12/17/2024 14:08:31   h6äûABS light changed. Old: 1 New: 0   
 02093     12/17/2024 14:08:31   h6åûMTC light changed. Old: 1 New: 0   
 02094     12/17/2024 14:08:31   (?æûKill Sw = RUN   
 02095     12/17/2024 14:08:31   ø?çûDisable flags changed. Old: 0x0005 New: 0x0004   
 02096     12/17/2024 14:08:31   0x51 0x50 0xb1 0x03 0x00 0xe8 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x60 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xc8 0x32 0x00 0x00 0xb0 0x04 0x00 0x00 0x0a 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x2c 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x53 0x54 0x4f 0x50 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x8b 0x0b 0x00 0x00 0x49 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x28 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x31 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x27 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xf8 0xcd 0xc5 0x00 0xb2 0x48 0xfd ???   
 02097     12/17/2024 14:08:31   8µéûDisch limits: curr 1063 cap 1063 act 2147483647 pow 103217   
 02098     12/17/2024 14:08:31   8µêûCh limits: curr 0 cap 0 act 0 pow 94   
 02099     12/17/2024 14:08:31   0x54 0x38 0xb5 0x03 0x00 0xeb 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xd8 0xfd 0xff 0xff 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xb2 0x2b 0xfd ???   
 02100     12/17/2024 14:08:31   ðÀìûFault set: CONTROLLER_WARNING   
 02101     12/17/2024 14:08:31   ÀÈíûcontroller warning 200   
 02102     12/17/2024 14:08:31   ÀÈîûFault pending: DC_DC_LOW sets in 30 seconds   
 02103     12/17/2024 14:08:31   ÀÈïûFault pending: ALL_CONTACTORS_OPEN sets in 30 seconds   
 02104     12/17/2024 14:08:31   ¨ÌðûFault pending: MODULE_AWAITING_CONNECTION sets in 30 seconds   
 02105     12/17/2024 14:08:31   0EñûPrecharging from module 2, Vpackoc: 103150mV   
 02106     12/17/2024 14:08:31   IòûConnecting mod 2. V_(mod: 103150, bus: 0, bus_oc: 0)mV,   
 02107     12/17/2024 14:08:31   èPóûI_(out: 0, lim_dischg: 1064000, lim_chg: -24000, lim_CC: 100000)mA   
 02108     12/17/2024 14:08:32   Ð< ôûModule 2 Contactor is now Closed   
 02109     12/17/2024 14:08:32   ¸@ õûAt least one contactor is now closed   
 02110     12/17/2024 14:08:32   pL öûDisable flags changed. Old: 0x0004 New: 0x0000   
 02111     12/17/2024 14:08:32   @N
÷ûFault cleared: ALL_CONTACTORS_OPEN   
 02112     12/17/2024 14:08:32   (R
øûFault cleared: MODULE_AWAITING_CONNECTION   
 02113     12/17/2024 14:08:33   ÀÂùûFault cleared: DC_DC_LOW   
 02114     12/17/2024 14:08:34   @?úûState change from STOP to RUN   
 02115     12/17/2024 14:08:34   0x51 0xe8 0xf1 0x02 0x00 0xfb 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xf4 0x91 0x01 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x2c 0x36 0x92 0x01 0x00 0x59 0x01 0x00 0x00 0x52 0x55 0x4e 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x8b 0x0b 0x00 0x00 0x1e 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x1c 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x31 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x27 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xc8 0xd6 0xc7 0x00 0xb2 0x48 0xfd ???   
 02116     12/17/2024 14:08:34   ÐõüûDisch limits: curr 1063 cap 1063 act 2147483647 pow 109382   
 02117     12/17/2024 14:08:34   ÐõýûCh limits: curr 26 cap 26 act 2147483647 pow 2675   
 02118     12/17/2024 14:08:34   0x54 0xd0 0xf5 0x02 0x00 0xfe 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xd8 0xfd 0xff 0xff 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x1b 0x39 0x00 0x00 0xb2 0x29 0xfd ???   
 02119     12/17/2024 14:08:34    ýÿûFault cleared: THROTTLE_MAP   
 02120     12/17/2024 14:08:34   ?ûFault set: CONTROLLER_WARNING   
 02121     12/17/2024 14:08:34   X   ûcontroller warning 50   
 02122     12/17/2024 14:08:37   XûFault cleared: CONTROLLER_WARNING   
 02123     12/17/2024 14:09:16   ?4ûControl flags changed. Old: 0x4066 New: 0x4046   
 02124     12/17/2024 14:09:17   ?ûABS light changed. Old: 0 New: 1   
 02125     12/17/2024 14:09:17   ?ûMTC light changed. Old: 0 New: 1   
 02126     12/17/2024 14:09:34   0x51 0x28 0x88 0x04 0x00 0x06 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xe8 0x93 0x01 0x00 0x30 0xf8 0xff 0xff 0xaa 0x02 0x00 0x00 0x2c 0xe3 0x93 0x01 0x00 0x60 0xe1 0xff 0xff 0x52 0x55 0x4e 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x8b 0x0b 0x00 0x00 0x46 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x2a 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x30 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x27 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xf8 0x4e 0xc8 0x00 0xb2 0x48 0xfd ???   
 02127     12/17/2024 14:09:34   ?ûDisch limits: curr 1063 cap 1063 act 2147483647 pow 109914   
 02128     12/17/2024 14:09:34   ?ûCh limits: curr 106 cap 106 act 106 pow 10960   
 02129     12/17/2024 14:09:34   0x54 0x10 0x8c 0x04 0x00 0x09 0xfb 0x80 0x6f 0x4d 0xff 0xd8 0xfd 0xff 0xff 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x5a 0xad 0x01 0x00 0xb2 0x2b 0xfd ???   
 02130     12/17/2024 14:10:13   Ø?
ûclearing firmware update data   
 02131     12/17/2024 14:10:24   ?
ûclearing firmware update data   
« Last Edit: December 18, 2024, 05:38:12 AM by 2020_SRS_Commuter »
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Re: Error battery module ineligible happened while riding
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2024, 03:44:16 PM »

Wet conditions? I had exactly the same two weeks ago. My SR/S was outside in a short shower in the morning, got the message on my way back in the evening in dry conditions. Turning off and on, erased the error and hasn't showed up since.
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Re: Error battery module ineligible happened while riding
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2024, 06:48:44 AM »

Any opinions? 
Yes, a couple of them.

1. Forget it happened, you probably will never see it happen again.

2. Don't buy an Experia if bugs like that bother you. I cannot count all the times it died on me for no apparent reason, but usually when I try to activate the cruise control or put the bike in reverse. It then often gets an "undefined fault".  Scary at times when it has happened when I was not touching anything, such as right after (30 seconds of riding) a DC fast charge.

No such bugs in my 2020 SS9-.  Also, my 2023 Zero DSR/x is bug free--so far with many thousands of miles on them.

But even in my ICE bikes, such as my 2013 TTSE, it has died on the freeway for no apparent reason and set an OBD2 code that I have not seen since.

This stuff has been happening ever since they started putting in the computers in our bikes. Expect the occasional bug for no apparent reason.

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Re: Error battery module ineligible happened while riding
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2024, 07:19:28 PM »

How many other people are plagued with this problem on their Experia?  Fortunately not hearing of too many.  Did you tinker with something and are not telling?

After charging I always turn all my bikes off and then back on, that way it does a reset and a fresh / hard reboot / restart on them.  Ive found that charging doesn't always end properly, some chargers in specific like to give issues, not sure if it' s the final handshake and handoff or what but it's just easier to take 20 seconds to cycle power and Ive never had any oddities like that.  I'll let folks know if I do.

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Re: Error battery module ineligible happened while riding
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2024, 09:42:05 PM »

No, it was dry and cool the first time. I had just finished a high speed 15 minute highway segment and stopped at the exit.
Last night it happened again. Same situation in reverse, I had run that highway segment otw home. Stopped at the end, wouldnt go when the light turned green. This time the battery was showing red, the last time the battery was showing yellow I think. I suspect that there is a brief thermal issue that causes it to reject using the pack because some part of it is too hot. In the last month my battery capacity started dropping and now, using a wattmeter, I can see that from 2%SOC to full 100% draws only 8.6kwh, and thats including whats used by the chargers. I think the battery is on the way out.
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Re: Error battery module ineligible happened while riding
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2024, 06:12:20 AM »

I can see that from 2%SOC to full 100% draws only 8.6kwh, and thats including whats used by the chargers. I think the battery is on the way out.
"Draws only 8.6KWH" doesn't make any sense.


What was your charge rate (in KW or volts and amps, but not "KWH") and how many hours did it take to go from 2 to 100% SOC?


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Re: Error battery module ineligible happened while riding
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2024, 06:52:14 AM »

It makes perfect sense. kWh is a measure of energy and a wattmeter can calculate that based on the power draw over a certain amount of time. It only tells you the energy input and the actual energy in the battery will be less because they're not 100% efficient, but still 8.6kWh is far below what he should be expecting.
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Re: Error battery module ineligible happened while riding
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2024, 10:01:16 AM »

It makes perfect sense. kWh is a measure of energy
KWH the measurement of energy used or gained in one hour or is the power capacity of battery, which is also measured in KWHs.  "Draws 8.6KWH" makes no sense. But if the battery drained down 8.6 KWH, or gained 8.6 KWH that would make sense.  if that is what was meant.

If it made sense to you, please explain it in different words. Such as it had an 8.6 KW(not KWH) load, etc.

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Re: Error battery module ineligible happened while riding
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2024, 11:47:57 AM »

What I meant was, the wattmeter recorded 8.6kwh energy used as the bike charged from 2 percent SOC until it thought it was fully charged , showed 100% and stopped charging. When I look at the watt meter after that event, that's what it showed. That includes power consumed by the chargers in doing their job, as well as the power that actually went into the battery.
Today I rode just as fast as I usually, do, and no problems. I'll just keep going and see what happens, this ought to be good for a laugh.
Also to answer your question it charged at the rate you get from 120v... I think it shows 1300w or 1200w on the screen when thats occurring. I don't know how long that took, I was asleep for most of it. I have a lamp timer that turns on at around the right time so that when its done charging, its time for me to leave for work. 
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Re: Error battery module ineligible happened while riding
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2024, 12:20:52 PM »

What I meant was, the wattmeter recorded 8.6kwh energy used as the bike charged from 2 percent SOC until it thought it was fully charged , showed 100% and stopped charging. When I look at the watt meter after that event, that's what it showed. That includes power consumed by the chargers in doing their job, as well as the power that actually went into the battery.
Today I rode just as fast as I usually, do, and no problems. I'll just keep going and see what happens, this ought to be good for a laugh.
Also to answer your question it charged at the rate you get from 120v... I think it shows 1300w or 1200w on the screen when thats occurring. I don't know how long that took, I was asleep for most of it. I have a lamp timer that turns on at around the right time so that when its done charging, its time for me to leave for work.
OIC.


What were you using for a wattmeter?


Anyway, a defective battery can charge to full much faster because it will not hold as many KWHs.  I had that problem with my Zero DS when it was around two years old.  I first noticed it seemed to charge a lot better from the regen. Later, I noticed "magic charging" and it charging to full three times faster than usual. And the range was about a third of what it should have been. It acted just as if my 6.5 KWH battery turned into a 2 KWH battery. Anyway, I got a new battery in warranty, Zero no longer had any 6.5 KWH batteries so they gave me the 7.2 KWH so now it has more a little more range than when it was new.


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Re: Error battery module ineligible happened while riding
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2024, 10:08:51 PM »


The chargers especially if you are only charging at 115 volt can eat up to 10 percent of the total energy or more going into the bike, switching power supplies are not very efficient in that manner.  Even though it is showing KW, is it showing you KW burned from the wall, or is it measuring it as it goes into the battery? 

You said that you use a lamp timer so it turns off, or I should say, is done charging right about the time you are ready for work?.   Why don't you leave it set for an extra hour or so?  Is there an issue that you don't want the battery to fine balance at the end or soak a bit, even though Lith tech really doesn't need to soak in like Lead Acid does, it will probably still balance out at the end of the bulk charge.   Just thinking, this may help balance the pack a little better and possibly reduce the chance of you waking up one morning and finding the bike not ready because of a power fart in the middle of the night.

Hopefully it fixes itself but keep a close eye to see it's not slow sliding into doom on you.
Good Luck !
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Re: Error battery module ineligible happened while riding
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2024, 10:40:22 PM »

I'm pretty sure he's using something like a kill-a-watt, so it will be measuring energy consumed by the chargers from the mains and will include the energy wasted by the chargers. He also said he uses the timer to start the charging, not end it, and it's finished by the time he leaves for work in the morning. My guess would be that electricity is a little cheaper overnight.
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Re: Error battery module ineligible happened while riding
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2024, 11:25:43 PM »

I made a box to select between 120 and 240 volts supplied to the Webasto charger supplied with the bike.
There is a contactor inside.
It has two sources of power, obviously.
The 120 is sent or not sent by the lamp timer. This is for contactor control, and for supplying the 120 to the charger if that is selected.
I use the timer, together with the SOC target setting on the bike, to initiate charges automatically that are ended by the bike when the target is reached. Or... I did. Now I don't use the target, it just charges to 100% and turns off. I just have the timer set to initiate a charge so the bike should reach 100 and stop charging, say, around an hour before I leave.
So, to be clear, the bike has plenty of time to reach what it thinks is a full charge.

Sometimes I switch to the 240 if I need a quicker charge. Here instead of supplying the 120, the timer supplies a control voltage to the contactor for the 240 instead, and the bike gets that.

At the other end of the trip, at work, I use one of those Chargepoint stations in the parking lot.  What happens there is I plug in, go in to to work, and use the bike's charge delay feature. It sits until nightfall in the 30-40SOC range, and at 9:30 PM charges and finishes shortly before I arrive in the lot to get it and go home.

Following this post are pictures of the timer and the power monitoring thing, cheap but really good, from Amazon.



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Re: Error battery module ineligible happened while riding
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2024, 11:26:45 PM »

timer and display from Amazon
I reset the display  with the little blue button so I can see kwh accumulation for each charge staring from 0
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Re: Error battery module ineligible happened while riding
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2024, 11:32:47 PM »

Selector
The light switch looking thing disables a charge if I want to, blocking both the 120 to the bike and the control signal to the 240 contactor
This has the form it does partially because this is the stuff I found rummaging around in the junk piles at work. Sort of a synthesis of the features I wanted and what was available for free to build it.
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