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[DonTom]

I hope when you say "megs" you actually mean "gigs".

Yep, I don't know why I said megs.

Personally I'm fine with Win10, as I was with Win98, Win2000 and Windows 7. 8 seemed pointless to me, and if I have to pay for an upgrade to W11 I will postpone it for as long as I can. I am on a metered connection and I don't need all this bandwidth eating foofoo stuff. I managed to turn everything off that I don't need but these days it's quite a challenge to go to cnn's home page without a video automatically popping up (not happening anymore here and a firewall also helps a lot locking things out that don't need internet).

Yeah, for the times, they all worked fine for me too.  I once was using Windows 3. I don't recall there ever being a Windows 1 & 2. But even Windows 3 worked well for the times. But things have changed a lot since those days.


I see no reason to upgrade unless later there is some program I want that requires Windows 11.  And I think that is unlikely.


-Don-  Reno, NV

[princec]

Sadly I'm a software developer by trade and I use Windows and Linux daily, and for my sins, I've been doing it for 30 years, though Linux mercifully only for the last 10. I gave up on MacOS because it was just so awfully clunky (don't even get me started on the horror of Xcode just a few years ago), and the price of the hardware is a bit of a joke, and I can't stand Apple the company. I use Linux mostly because I have to use it, not because I want to. Currently Windows 10 is the best desktop OS out there for just getting the hell out of the way and reliably working (YMMV but I've had endless fun with Linux distros... for certain values of "fun")

I used to love Macs back in the 68K days, though I rather liked my Amigas too.

Cas

[Richard230]

My son-in-law is a program developer (coder?) for a small startup company. He just loves Linux and has been using it for the past 20 years. He doesn't care for Windows very much and only has one computer that uses that program. He keeps trying to get me to use Linux, but I don't want to try anything new. Personally, I was as happy as a clam using Windows 95. 

I might add that when I retired my office gave me my old 1952 Underwood Five typewriter. Eventually, I was forced to learn where the on and off switch was on the computer that they gave me at work (which used floppy discs). I still have the typewriter, but the ink on its ribbons has long since dried out. Plus, I really do like my word processing program which corrects all of my typing mistakes and spelling errors, without me having to smear whiteout on my mistakes and wait for it to dry.  Now that is a technology that I really appreciate.

[KrazyEd]

A friend is a programmer at MicroShaft. When Windoze 11 was to be announced, I asked him if I should be excited.
He gave me a rather subdued NO. I then asked if it was similar to the Vista upgrade. He said not to have my hopes so high.

[DonTom]

A friend is a programmer at MicroShaft. When Windoze 11 was to be announced, I asked him if I should be excited.
He gave me a rather subdued NO. I then asked if it was similar to the Vista upgrade. He said not to have my hopes so high.

Somebody once told me there is a reliable pattern for MicroShaft to tell if an OS will be great or junk. It's every other release:


Win ME-Junk
Win XP-good
Win Vista-Junk
Win 7-good
Win 8-Junk
Win 10-good (for those who know how to use it correctly).


So next will be junk (Win 11).


BTW, was there ever a Win 1, 2 , 3, 4, 5, 6 and 9?


-Don-  Reno, NV[size=78%] [/size]

[TheRan]

A friend is a programmer at MicroShaft. When Windoze 11 was to be announced, I asked him if I should be excited.
He gave me a rather subdued NO. I then asked if it was similar to the Vista upgrade. He said not to have my hopes so high.

Somebody once told me there is a reliable pattern for MicroShaft to tell if an OS will be great or junk. It's every other release:


Win ME-Junk
Win XP-good
Win Vista-Junk
Win 7-good
Win 8-Junk
Win 10-good (for those who know how to use it correctly).


So next will be junk (Win 11).


BTW, was there ever a Win 1, 2 , 3, 4, 5, 6 and 9?


-Don-  Reno, NV[size=78%] [/size]

95/98/ME would have been 4, XP is 5, Vista is 6. No 9 because it sounded like No in German.

Personally I haven't hated any of the Windows versions and I've used them all starting with 95. I can't say I've regretted any of the upgrades, for me it's always been an improvement to reliability, ease of use, and features with every new version. Perhaps the only exception would be Windows 8 when it would default to the weird start screen that was based off the Xbox OS or some shit, but that was fixed with 8.1 where you could choose to start on a normal desktop.

I've used Mac OS in the past at school and hated it, it wasn't intuitive to use (although some of that will admittedly be down to not getting used to it) and there was annoying shit that bugged me like not being able to just maximise windows, right click (this was a while ago), and the ugly taskbar dock that took up an unnecessary amount of room.

I've used a few versions of Linux before and they've been okay, I just wouldn't use it on regular basis simply because of the lack of compatibility.

[valnar]

Windows 7 was great.  I still have a laptop that runs it.  My two servers at home run Windows 8.1 since there is less telemetry.  It's the minimum OS required for Quick Sync for some of my apps.

The rest of my boxes run Windows 10, begrudgingly.  You can tame some of the nastiness by running O&O ShutUp10 to turn off the bad stuff.  You don't need to keep it running - just check it after every update to make sure Microshaft didn't reset your parameters.

Windows 11 however, from what I read, will be much more Cloud based and harder to disconnect the tether.  I'll run a copy in a VM when it comes out and see what I can do.

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My biggest issue with Windows 8 - 10 is the lack of cohesion between dialog boxes, menus, user interface, etc.  Pick Classic or Metro, but pick one.  It looks like a kindergartner developed it.  And quck making something that took 1-2 clicks now take 4-5 to get to the same point.

[valnar]

I recall having a copy of Windows 2. It was a CGA monitor program. Windows 3 was the first VGA software, and of course it was a user interface shell that ran on Dos, it was not OS in itself.

I started with Windows 3.0 on an IBM PS/1 with 2Mb RAM.  Damn that thing got much faster when I doubled that memory!

[DonTom]

Another thing. I turn off all updates. Usually next morning I have a message on my screen that my computer has been restarted to install updates.

That has an easy fix if you're using wireless. Just set that wireless connection as a "metered connection" even if not metered. That will stop your updates.


-Don-  Reno, NV

[Richard230]

The first computer that I learned on was in college. I believe it was an IBM 360, which used punch cards to program and I think the operating system was COBAL. Unfortunately, I never have been very good not making mistakes when typing and when punching holes in a big pile of cards I would always make at least one mistake that would screw things up when the cards were dropped into the hopper to be read by the huge machine.  My computer skills went downhill from there. 

[DonTom]

The first computer that I learned on was in college. I believe it was an IBM 360, which used punch cards to program and I think the operating system was COBAL. Unfortunately, I never have been very good not making mistakes when typing and when punching holes in a big pile of cards I would always make at least one mistake that would screw things up when the cards were dropped into the hopper to be read by the huge machine.  My computer skills went downhill from there. 

"To err is human, but to really foul things up you need a computer."
-Paul R. Ehrlich

[Richard230]

I picked up this cartoon on the Royal Enfield forum (of all places). Most likely you will have to be a programmer to fully appreciate it, though. 

[Richard230]

I sent that cartoon to my son-in-law who programs (codes?) all day long. Here is what he had to say about the points the cartoon was trying to make regarding the different types of computer languages:

I get some of those punchlines.

I understand what they're saying about C++ however it doesn't capture the true difference between C++ and most of the other languages.  Building a horse in C++ would take longer and would require more detail than most of the other options but when you're done it would be a sturdy and fast horse.

I don't understand the Java joke.

The JavaScript joke is... maybe funny because they are repurposing the words "backbone" and "angular"?  Not sure.

I don't understand the NoSql joke except maybe they are joking about how if you don't use SQL (hence the "No") then your database is not easily searchable, so data can get lost there unless you remember where it is.

COBOL is an old language and few developers use/know it.  A "dragon" is a large complicated application/system that developers struggle to fix/use/understand.

LISP uses a LOT of parentheses and the interesting behavior can be hidden deep inside those parentheses in non-obvious places.

I don't understand the C# joke.

Assembly is one level above byte-code and can produce the most optimized version of a horse, but you just can't write big complicated featureful horses with it.

PHP is used for websites which can suffer from exploits.  I guess the joke is: if you try to make a horse with PHP then it will inevitably have exploits and many hackers will take advantage of them to make your life miserable.

Interestingly, they couldn't come up with a joke about Python (one of the more popular programming languages).

[Mooseman]

I guess it really was only funny for programmers. If you have to explain a joke it's usually not funny anymore.

What I'm expecting from Windows 11 is nothing that actually benefits the user. More data transfer that I can't control, more cloud based services although I prefer to keep my stuff local, probably 24/7 surveillance through camera and microphone so they can spam me with tailored ads. No thank you. With my current settings Win10 is doing what it is supposed to do and I don't think there is any major functionality missing.

While I can't say anything about usability from a programmers standpoint, I have no issues with Win10 as a user. I never had any driver issues and stuff usually just works.

If it wasn't for the games and some other programs that don't work under Linux (or at least not without major workarounds), I would still switch right away, just because Linux is an open OS without hidden functionality in it.

Maybe that's just me being paranoid, but until proven otherwise, I don't believe that an OS upgrade would benefit me in any way.

[Crissa]

NoSQL and Angular are specific packages to be included in, and they often break.

I guess programming is wide enough that even programmers don't get all the references.

-Crissa