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[stevenh]

Or to rephrase. It adds 10%, 'only' in the city, nearly none while cruising.
While 10% in the city is certainly nice, it is exactly the place where most people have least worries about range.

Or to rephrase even better:   Regen is great then you MUST slow down. Such as coming up to a red light or stop sign. Then, you want as much regen as possible.


Otherwise, the misuse of having too much regen can waste a lot more energy than it gains, such as having too much regen to go down hill when you have to go uphill again at the bottom. Then it's better to coast down the hill, or just stay at a steady speed.


As a general rule, use the most regen at slower speeds.   Use very little or none at all at higher speeds. That's for deceleration regen.


For braking regen, I see no reason to NOT keep it at 100% at all times. When you want to use the brakes, it means you must want to slow down or stop regardless of speed.


-Don-  Reno, NV

Regen on the SR/F, SR/S is progressive.  You control the amount on deceleration based on the throttle position.  To me this is ideal, you use what you need.  100% is just the maximum applied, you don't need to apply it.  It just depends on how much you roll off the throttle.  It seems like many people are still confusing regen on the new bikes with the old ones (where regen was not progressive).  The only time I use my friction breaks is in a fast/panic stop, or coming to a full stop at a light, and I can "coast" by just controlling throttle position.

Steve

[princec]

It'd be nice if the regen throttle position and curves could be adjusted with the app. I still don't see a sane use case for turning on regen when the brakes are applied though. Braking is like, one of the most finely controlled and critical things you can do - the last thing you want is the rear to suddenly jam on the anchors at the slightest touch of brake application. For one thing it'll fuck with trail braking.

(If you don't know what trail braking is yet - hie thee to Youtube and find out, quickly, before you discover the hard way about what happens if you do as you've been taught by the official instructors. Seriously this will one day save your life)

Cas

[stevenh]

It'd be nice if the regen throttle position and curves could be adjusted with the app. I still don't see a sane use case for turning on regen when the brakes are applied though. Braking is like, one of the most finely controlled and critical things you can do - the last thing you want is the rear to suddenly jam on the anchors at the slightest touch of brake application. For one thing it'll fuck with trail braking.

(If you don't know what trail braking is yet - hie thee to Youtube and find out, quickly, before you discover the hard way about what happens if you do as you've been taught by the official instructors. Seriously this will one day save your life)

Cas

You get some control with the percentage (really max regen applied fully off throttle), but it would be really nice to be able to "set the curve", I'd like a little wider zero regen zone coming off throttle before regen starts to be applied.  It is also not "smooth" it seems that Zero applies different levels in steps based on the throttle position, not really a linear curve.

Steve

[Mooseman]

The original poster stated "I use a custom profile with full regen to extend range as much as possible and to reduce brake wear." It was to that comment that I originally replied of regen being practically useless.

Just to clarify: The max regen is set to 100%. It doesn't mean I usually go fast so I can use the full regen in order to extend my range. Regen always happens at questionable efficiency, so it's better not to waste energy to begin with. Most of the time when a speed limit changes fron let's say 80 kph to 60 kph I will close the throttle only far enough to get slowed down by air drag without actually using regen.
Still, if I have to slow down faster I prefer to do it through regen rather than friction brakes. I do agree though that this helps with range less than going just a bit slower. Regen is definitely not a huge range extender.

[Richtea]

Re: parking brake - you could try one of these:
http://www.ifam.es/en/product/rpm-motorcycle-lock/



As a bonus, it's more of a deterrent than a disc lock, and you can't forget it.

[Mooseman]

While all the offered solutions seem to work, I feel like this is something that should be addressed by the manufacturer and not by the end user. I shouldn't have to buy a pair of crutches just to make up for their shortcomings. This is supposed to be a high-tech bike and they can't even come up with a solution for a usable parking brake? Zero Motorcycles has been around for many years now and I refuse to believe that none of their engineers has ever noticed that there is some basic functionality missing.

I do appreciate all of the offered workarounds, though. I do have a velcro in my pocket now. Still a disgrace but at least it works.

[Richard230]

My recollection is that a number of ICE scooters with a variable belt drive have a brake lock that is automatically activated when the side stand is deployed. That seems like a good idea to me.

[princec]

Not automatically deployed, there's a parking brake lever on them (I've owned two).

Cas