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[Richard230]

KTM gets into the city 125cc-class electric motorcycle game with the E-Duke (baby steps): https://www.motorcycle.com/new-model-preview/pierer-mobility-confirms-a-ktm-e-duke-is-in-development.html

[princec]

Awesome I love KTMs.

Cas

[TheRan]

The supermoto Freeride looks interesting but the price is ridiculous, and I imagine the Pilen and Duke will be the same. I can't see anyone buying them over the 125s at like half the price (or the 390/401 is they're not on an A1 licence) or just paying a little more for a Zero.

[Fran K]

This is a quote from the article.
"Pierer says the smaller battery capacities result in higher sales margins, while the lower voltages are safer to use. "
After seeing what doubling the kwh as an option for the Polaris quad or 4 wheeler thing I have to doubt this statement.  Really made me wonder if the high %of vehicle cost being the batteries is less than common thinking.  It was like double and some other upgrades for $5000 more.

My freeride is about 250 volts nominal.  Is the next generation one due in 2023 really going to be lower?  It does seem to be going to have a swapable battery for that one.

Ktm best as I am aware only has a dozen dealers that sell the electric bike that I have currently.  Not sure about the child bike.  There is a quite large Honda/KTM dealer in Manchester Ct. who has taken on Ubco the two wheel drive bike made sort of e-bicycle parts.  (Two year warranty on the battery).  I asked them why that and not the Freeride, (at least 3 year warranty on the battery) don't recall what the response was but it did not seem a realistic answer.

How far will this segment really go with these short warrantly on the battery?   Ktm makes nice stuff generally but the parts are generally believed to be more expensive than the Japanese big 4.  The battery for one of these things is likely to be in the price range of a new unused Yamaha xt250.

[Fran K]

The supermoto Freeride looks interesting but the price is ridiculous, and I imagine the Pilen and Duke will be the same. I can't see anyone buying them over the 125s at like half the price (or the 390/401 is they're not on an A1 licence) or just paying a little more for a Zero.

Ktm seems to have a 200cc model that is quite low in cost.

I guess one really has to know the out the door price.  Sort of consider the charger whether included or an extra or how many extra Zero ones for the FX line to equal the ktm one if the on board one is to be suplemented.

My experience with the local Zero dealership in Enfield Ct. is they have multiple extra costs, sure I generally bought new left over ice bikes which don't play that game, conveyance, shipping, document I don't even recall it all but think the sales person must get a cut off (some) this stuff.   It is non negotiable but then they call on the phone to negotiate with the wife listening.     The electric ktm dealer in NY is msrp plus Ny state tire tax.  They do mail the certificate of origion later perhaps the dealership does not have to buy the bikes out right and this is why.  I think the one in PA (Solid Performance) is the same way no extra fees.  Sales tax not discussed here. 

[TheRan]

I've just noticed that it's a nominal output of 10kW and not peak, so that could make them slightly more appealing. If peak power is closer to the A2 limit like a Zero then it's far closer to being competitive. Shame about the much lower battery capacity though, it would really need 1C charging or better to make up for that.