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 71 
 on: June 11, 2026, 10:45:44 AM 
Started by giacomo - Last post by DonTom
Do you mean in general, or specifically from Verge? They don't have one, never did, probably never will. If you didn't know (that long video explains it all) they're the parent company of Donut Labs, it was a spin off in an attempt to save the dying brand (and I guess it's worked for now with all the funding they've got) however Donut only actually makes motors. The batteries were supposed to be coming from Nordic Nano using technology developed by CT Coatings. However this supposed miracle battery never materialised (no surprise there), but Donut decided to continue the lie. The main guy running the show is a con man, I can only assume his intention is to keep it going and get as much money as he can and then do a runner.
Sound like both, Verge as well as the SSB is all BS. They cannot put a type of  battery in the Verge that doesn't exist!


-Don-  Auburn, CA

 72 
 on: June 11, 2026, 09:54:55 AM 
Started by electrictwowheeler - Last post by Specter
Even though it's boat cable, which has a higher rating than standard building cable, 80 amps is pushing it, unless it's a fairly short run, like a few feet jump to a starter or only intermittent use.  otherwise it's typically rated at around 60, would be derated to around 50 or so in an engine compartment due to temperatures being hotter. Given it's boat cable, as you claim, it is being rated using marine standards ABYC instead of normal NEC standards for buildings.  nec would rate it only around 30 amps for open 10ga wire.

 if you have it up under cowling or in a box, might want to keep that in mind but I don't think that'll really be an issue for you, you won't be seeing those kinds of amps very often at all.  No need for switches and stuff, just more stuff to add resistance and corrode on you.  Tinned wire is a good thing, fine wire is even better, its easier to work with.  personally i love using welding cable when i can get away with it. 

it's up to you but a simple Anderson connection might be a quick and easy way to connect / disconnect it, and you can even put the fuse inline with it.  that way you are not playing with nuts and bolts, stretching threads and up in that stuff every time you want to use it.  an Anderson would also protect the disconnected ends too from most accidental shorting.

the lg batteries tend to be one of the higher grade batteries on the market, so you are good there, and yes, charging, most manu's prefer 0.5 to 1 C but will allow a bit more safely.  10A - 4C discharge, yah that right in range with a standard grade battery,

another place to look for cheap batteries, sometimes you get good finds, is portable tools, people hunk the pack because one cell dies and it kicks the whole pack but the rest of the cells are usable.  home depot, lowes, or placesl ike that often have free battery disposal, and a quick talk to the manager, many times they are more than happy to give the old ones for free, because they have to otherwise pay to dispose generally.  depending on what brand, size etc, the cells vary but you can build plenty of 'aux power' for essentially free.

aaron

 73 
 on: June 11, 2026, 09:36:05 AM 
Started by electrictwowheeler - Last post by electrictwowheeler



I googled
https://www.google.com/search?q=Ancor+marine+cable+rating&client=safari&hs=9M3p&sca_esv=dc3936d1c026acb1&hl=en-us&ei=g9Upas7_DbvIkPIP7IuAmA4&biw=430&bih=730&oq=Ancor+marine+cable+rating&gs_lp=EhNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwIhlBbmNvciBtYXJpbmUgY2FibGUgcmF0aW5nMgUQIRigATIFECEYoAEyBRAhGKABMgYQABgWGB4yBhAAGBYYHjIIEAAYFhgKGB4yCxAAGIAEGIYDGIoFMgsQABiABBiGAxiKBUivMFCQCljVHHADeAGQAQCYAV2gAcQEqgEBN7gBA8gBAPgBAZgCCqAC6wTCAgoQABiwAxjWBBhHwgIXEC4YsAMYuAYY2AIYyAMY2gYY3AbYAQHCAgUQIRirAsICBRAAGO8FwgIIEAAYgAQYogSYAwCIBgGQBg26BgQIARgZkgcCMTCgB94nsgcBN7gH4ATCBwUwLjIuOMgHIIAIAA&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp#lfId=ChxjMe
and still only see a 40 amp rating (at least it’s better then 30).
In the AC world, the circuit breaker protects the wire & the fuse protects the device. 
In your case, the fuse must protect both. 

FRN fuses are readable available….
https://www.homedepot.com/pep/Cooper-Bussmann-FRN-Series-35-Amp-Brass-Time-Delay-Fuse-Cartridges-2-Pack-BP-FRN-R-35/100184701?g_store=&source=shoppingads&locale=en-US&fp=ggl&pla&mtc=SHOPPING-CM-CML-GGL-D29K-059_027_S_O_WIN_CVR-NA-NA-NA-PLA-7087500-NA-NA-NA-NBR-NA-NA-NEW-PRIO_FY26&cm_mmc=SHOPPING-CM-CML-GGL-D29K-059_027_S_O_WIN_CVR-NA-NA-NA-PLA-7087500-NA-NA-NA-NBR-NA-NA-NEW-PRIO_FY26-23586043094-191837963685-294682000766&gclsrc=aw.ds&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=23586043094&gbraid=0AAAAADq61UddcvSEfqqN_ptK4MEaOPKkf

As far as protecting electronics, I’m not sure how this applies as from what my minds eye sees (over the internet) your not subjecting the system to more voltage then it normally is subjected too. 


Can you charge both batteries out on the road with the on-board charger?
Will that overload the charger?

Is the only time you have to worry about Delta V is upon installing the fully charged (off the bike) extender?
The extender is only installed when you know extra range is needed?

Yeah, sounds like you don’t need the extra components but I would still consider dropping the fuse size but it’s your project so your piece of mind is what matters.

Whatever the rating is we agree that the wiring is adequate.

Yes, both batteries charge together from the onboard charger. The charger will charge at the same rate as always, 1,3 KW on 120v and 6KW on 240v. It will take slightly longer to charge.

Yes, I'll only use it when I'm going on a longer trip.

The voltage difference is a problem when the packs are connected together for the first time and also if the bike sits for a long time with the extender installed because they are only connected when the bike is keyed on or charging and the extender contactor is closed. I don't see this as a problem though because it would probably take months for the two packs to get more than 4 volts apart and I don't envision long term use of the extender. They both have very slow self-discharge rates.
 
Reducing the fuse size sounds like a good idea.

I did a hundred miles today, mixed riding. Worked perfectly!

 74 
 on: June 11, 2026, 09:26:00 AM 
Started by giacomo - Last post by Specter

the tech never existed, didn't stop them from playing it.  probably a few layers of con men.  oh the tech will be here any day now, we just need one teeny little step (inventing it) and it's finished!   con man 2 spins it, hands off to 3, who embellishes more, each getting their little cut of the grifter cupcake until the rat turds fall out and someone realizes hey, those ain't chocolate chips!!

Supercaps kind of went thru the same schtick as they evolved.  these amazing devices that could do 100k's of cycles, bla bla woof, then like an elon musk wall battery, slowly and silently the specs halve in the middle of the night and nobody was supposed to notice.  now are good for 10 maybe 20 k and are fairly current limited.   now they have so called hybrid supercaps or are calling them lithium supercaps, basically they glued a battery onto a capacitor and are pretending its some new marvelous tech.

believe half of what you hear, less of what you see, especially with ai now.  it will keep you from looking like a fool and/or getting scammed when you double and triple down on something that just isn't true.

whats funny is,  sodium batteries are making the rounds again, and they are trying to pretend they are the next disruptor, when they have been around quite a while, and have plenty of problems, and simply won't work the way lith's currently do.

whats even more funny is... terms like solid state,  they can't even make up their minds what that really even means, what you must have to qualify.   is it genuine or Genuine ?

Aaron

 75 
 on: June 11, 2026, 06:00:03 AM 
Started by thebes - Last post by thebes
I have a practically new and unused stock zero fx on board charger. Its the gwp/calex EVC-116-720 that should (correct me if Im mistaken) fit on all 2014+ zero fx/fxs/fxes. I was going to originally use it for my 2009 zero x rebuild but Im going in a different direction as it was a bit too slow haha...

Located in the SF Bay Area, would prefer not to ship but perhaps we can work something out!

Asking $220


If you have any more questions feel free to ask!

 76 
 on: June 11, 2026, 04:08:55 AM 
Started by giacomo - Last post by TheRan
Do you mean in general, or specifically from Verge? They don't have one, never did, probably never will. If you didn't know (that long video explains it all) they're the parent company of Donut Labs, it was a spin off in an attempt to save the dying brand (and I guess it's worked for now with all the funding they've got) however Donut only actually makes motors. The batteries were supposed to be coming from Nordic Nano using technology developed by CT Coatings. However this supposed miracle battery never materialised (no surprise there), but Donut decided to continue the lie. The main guy running the show is a con man, I can only assume his intention is to keep it going and get as much money as he can and then do a runner.

 77 
 on: June 11, 2026, 03:53:09 AM 
Started by electrictwowheeler - Last post by ESokoloff



I googled
https://www.google.com/search?q=Ancor+marine+cable+rating&client=safari&hs=9M3p&sca_esv=dc3936d1c026acb1&hl=en-us&ei=g9Upas7_DbvIkPIP7IuAmA4&biw=430&bih=730&oq=Ancor+marine+cable+rating&gs_lp=EhNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwIhlBbmNvciBtYXJpbmUgY2FibGUgcmF0aW5nMgUQIRigATIFECEYoAEyBRAhGKABMgYQABgWGB4yBhAAGBYYHjIIEAAYFhgKGB4yCxAAGIAEGIYDGIoFMgsQABiABBiGAxiKBUivMFCQCljVHHADeAGQAQCYAV2gAcQEqgEBN7gBA8gBAPgBAZgCCqAC6wTCAgoQABiwAxjWBBhHwgIXEC4YsAMYuAYY2AIYyAMY2gYY3AbYAQHCAgUQIRirAsICBRAAGO8FwgIIEAAYgAQYogSYAwCIBgGQBg26BgQIARgZkgcCMTCgB94nsgcBN7gH4ATCBwUwLjIuOMgHIIAIAA&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp#lfId=ChxjMe
and still only see a 40 amp rating (at least it’s better then 30).
In the AC world, the circuit breaker protects the wire & the fuse protects the device. 
In your case, the fuse must protect both. 

FRN fuses are readable available….
https://www.homedepot.com/pep/Cooper-Bussmann-FRN-Series-35-Amp-Brass-Time-Delay-Fuse-Cartridges-2-Pack-BP-FRN-R-35/100184701?g_store=&source=shoppingads&locale=en-US&fp=ggl&pla&mtc=SHOPPING-CM-CML-GGL-D29K-059_027_S_O_WIN_CVR-NA-NA-NA-PLA-7087500-NA-NA-NA-NBR-NA-NA-NEW-PRIO_FY26&cm_mmc=SHOPPING-CM-CML-GGL-D29K-059_027_S_O_WIN_CVR-NA-NA-NA-PLA-7087500-NA-NA-NA-NBR-NA-NA-NEW-PRIO_FY26-23586043094-191837963685-294682000766&gclsrc=aw.ds&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=23586043094&gbraid=0AAAAADq61UddcvSEfqqN_ptK4MEaOPKkf

As far as protecting electronics, I’m not sure how this applies as from what my minds eye sees (over the internet) your not subjecting the system to more voltage then it normally is subjected too. 


Can you charge both batteries out on the road with the on-board charger?
Will that overload the charger?

Is the only time you have to worry about Delta V is upon installing the fully charged (off the bike) extender?
The extender is only installed when you know extra range is needed?

Yeah, sounds like you don’t need the extra components but I would still consider dropping the fuse size but it’s your project so your piece of mind is what matters.

 78 
 on: June 11, 2026, 02:53:15 AM 
Started by giacomo - Last post by DonTom
It's not solid state, it's just a regular old lithium battery. It's a plain old scam, I don't think it meets any of the claims they made.
Thanks, I will forward this thread to a buddy of mine who has a Verge on order.


But the main thing I would like to know is if the entire SSB thing is just BS, or if the SSB really does exist, at least for its biggest claim that it cannot catch fire.


-Don-  Auburn, CA

 79 
 on: June 11, 2026, 02:14:01 AM 
Started by terryo - Last post by thebes
Its been down for a about a week now. The snapshot in august on the wayback machine is sadly only a partial archive as I never got around to feeding their crawler the rest of the links, and its also missing quite a few images... Id gladly throw a few dollars to help whoever was last responsible for hosting it! (not sure if that is Brian, or someone else). If it ever comes back up Ill scrape it and host a mirror like I did with the the official legacy service manuals!

 80 
 on: June 11, 2026, 01:52:43 AM 
Started by terryo - Last post by TheRan
Same for me, says access is forbidden. That really sucks. It is available on the internet archive with the most recent snapshot being from back in August, probably hadn't changed much since then to be honest. I don't know what happened to it but I noticed maybe a year or two back some articles had been messed up, all the content missing and then a nonsensical message at the top as if someone had edited the page and didn't know what they were doing.

https://web.archive.org/web/20250101000000*/https://zeromanual.com/

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