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Energica / Re: Tesla charge adapter
« on: December 22, 2018, 03:08:48 AM »


There was another player Quick Charge Power in this who wanted in from San Diego... They ripped tesla tap off for $200k and have tried to steal all the work we have put into this for their own crappy design. Made me real sad to hear, because this guy hads been a real asshole to me already, and then he turned into a real asshole for the Tesla Tap guy and actually stole his money. I wish I had given a firmer warning to them about him.

-EC

Well this makes me feel better about not buying his version of the Duosida and just making my own adapter cable.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / ELI5: J1772 Instead of a Printer Cord?
« on: January 18, 2018, 12:45:33 AM »
It is certainly possible, after all, that is what an EVSE is, and any of us with LEAFs have one.  But as has been said, it was value engineered out because Zero's expected/desired market isn't aware, whereas the customers who are aware will figure out what they want.


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As a hopefully future owner of a Zero, I also hope to have fast charging.

Even if this component is what he says it is, I will never join in a buy with him because if that attitude.  I'd rather pay the higher unit cost to NOT deal with that.

That said, I think it is also far better to support someone who is familiar with my bike and his business supporting it. The "overpriced" product supports warranty claims on that product and future development of newer product.

I'd rather not support the behavior of someone who seems to have a beef beyond the product, insulting the customers of the product is a sure way to make sure they are never customers of yours.


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General Discussion / Re: 2018 Nissan Leaf upgraded
« on: September 25, 2017, 04:23:56 AM »
I saw the new 2018 Nissan Leaf news as well.  While it looks like it has some limited, semi-auto pilot capabilities; for not much more $ one can get a Chevy Bolt with way more range or wait to get a Tesla model 3.  I think the Leaf will have a much harder time selling like it did in the past.  I have a 2015 Leaf SL with a 3 year lease term that is just ending in a month or two and I can't imagine exercising my purchase option for around $ 15 K.  There are just better choices out there for me.  I might end up going with a new Hyundai Ioniq hybrid for around $ 22 K.  The Bolt sounds great, but I think I want something that could take me long distances if needed and I like the warranty and 58 mpg of the Ioniq.  I'm not sure which car I'll choose, but I need to choose something fairly soon.

Unlike others, I will advise you to start calling your dealer (because NMAC has handed this to the dealers) three months prior to end of lease. They can get rid of these units now, so if you wait to show interest, they aren't likely to cut a deal. As it is, we had enough taken off the residual that it was about equal to buying another on the used market (including other acquisition costs), but with a history of operation I knew.


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Looks like 13,500, I believe this is his bike on the trader...


http://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2017-Zero%20Motorcycles-ZERO-DSR-121322398


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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: DC-DC charger
« on: February 15, 2017, 12:55:34 AM »
You misunderstand. These are supercharger based DC fast chargers for zeros.

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Perhaps?

I thought the thread question was how to get voltage reduced to what a Zero could take in, noting the difficulties prior with non standard CHAdeMO. Your answer to that is the SCv2 as the SCv2's upper bound works at a level compatible with most DC charging infrastructure, as well as consumer level AC, in most cases with the appropriate cabling.

And, drawing off of the modular design, that things that aren't possible with it yet might yet be possible by adding "to be developed" bits as additional modules?

I was admitting a misread on the spec page for me (and possibly others, but definitely me) where I saw a voltage range that covered the standard 120/240 operating ranges (and obviously then some) and immediately filed it as an AC spec, not understanding it was DC, and figuring out how much this does change the game.

Or am I assuming incorrectly this was directed to me?


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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: DC-DC charger
« on: February 14, 2017, 08:31:29 PM »
We are also building SC based DC fast chargers for Zeros ;)
As in, new "SC v3" hardware or a completely new control box?

Actualy, it works as is ;) it's built into your charge control box too.  If using your Super Charger (v2!!) as an offboard DC station, I just reccomend you plug it into the bike while the bike is off and the contactor is open.

Ah, of course. The spec page said 85-265v with no indication of what type because it doesn't matter. The answer was there the whole time. And with most charging infrastructure able to handle 250vDC, and a lesser amount even down to 200vDC, the SC2 simply works with most configurations, and with some time and effort, potentially more later.

Bravo! A truly extendable option.

Now this plus Terry's idea of side mounted batteries...*evil grin*

I think I need to learn to weld and work with fiberglass.




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General Discussion / Re: Charging stations
« on: December 20, 2016, 06:49:30 PM »

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/11/29/new-european-charging-network-speed-350-kw/

I can picture stations like this coming to USA by 2020 and EV manufacturers adopting the standard.  Would be so cool to have electric motorcycle that gets 200 mile highway range and could charge in 5 minutes.  How much would you pay for this convenience when doing a weekend ride with friends?

It's not the same amount as Europe, but it is also not 2020 -- number 1 is coming soon.

http://insideevs.com/evgo-installing-first-350-kw-ultra-fast-public-charging-station-us/


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1) the federal tax credit is written with December 31, 2016 as the end date. It does not roll over because in government land, budget rollover simply means they plan to spend the same amount of money, they don't plan to get more/less on the income side (well, they do, they just don't write it down until later)

2) GM has already announced plans to produce 30,000 Bolts for the year. No matter what you think they get in compliance, $270 million is a steep price for it, and I think that number ($9000 loss per) is way too high. There would be much cheaper ways to get there than to produce that many cars at that kind of loss.

And, if this was just a loss leader compliance car, GM wouldn't have bothered to produce anything that would win any awards, which the Bolt seems to keep doing.

GM's commitment to electric in general can be questioned with their lack of support for charging networks, but I do think they made a decent car to sell in a niche (for them) with a decent profit, because the battery/motor/electronics package was sourced outside, and isn't necessarily limited to GM's success with the Bolt.


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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Just Bought a New 2017 ZERO DSR
« on: November 24, 2016, 08:17:01 PM »
Very glad to see at least two sales since my demo ride at Blue Moon. That inspires confidence in the market here in GA.


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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Zero 2017
« on: October 30, 2016, 11:59:15 PM »
I am not usually good at predicting future events, so take this with a grain of salt.

The two biggest criticisms of electric vehicles are cost and range, and those are pretty related as trade offs.  There are folks who want to be able to do longer runs (me included), and folks who want a low cost efficient commuter (also me). The commuter folks don't need as much battery, but maybe the FX/S doesn't quite fit them. The lower capacity S/DS fits nicely, and will make it more affordable. Resell will suck no matter what.

What scares me (and others) about sinking the money into one of these bikes is finding it doesn't quite fit, battery wise. Or that my circumstances change, and it may no longer fit. Then I have to buy a new unit at significant outlay of cash, while also trying to sell my old unit at significant loss.

This doesn't set up as a customer friendly option.

What would be a better scenario is if I could buy additional capacity as I need it, and have faster charging for what capacity I have. A 6.5 S/DS would be pushing my range, but at work I have level 2 chargers all over, so said bike would easily charge during the days for the ride home (26 miles). Then when I am ready to take a foliage trip to North Carolina, buy in some additional capacity when I could afford it.

You know, kind if like the modular bricks in the FX/S.

What if this year's innovation was a pack layout change, such that the monolith was no more; that the capacity could go modular like the FX/S, but now in the S/DS lines? Perhaps even to the point that any 2017+ Zero can swap batteries out.

Want extended range on the lower price S/DS? Buy an add on pack. Perhaps with future cell development (though this is more out there of an idea), the pack format stays compatible, so later, denser packs can be an upgrade on your older units. Or a pack that is failing early can be replaced at dealerships. Future proofing the lines a little.
And, like the FX/S series, you can buy off board chargers for extra batteries if you want that option.

And, for Zero's benefit, a standardized physical brick size across their lines. Zero and their dealerships won't have to worry about multiple inventory items until denser packs come along.

It is probably a pipe dream, but one fed from the smaller spec DS to be shown at the event.




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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Zero 2017
« on: October 29, 2016, 11:49:52 PM »
http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/promotions/event.php?t=2170

Looks like someone screwed up. Demos listed are a new SR13.0, DS6.5 with charge tank, and FXS6.5. 

So no battery increase for 2017, but a new battery arrangement for at least the DS line. This would be a brick down, would it not? Makes me think they are trying to add flexibility to get model prices down by giving smaller pack options. I believe some one mentioned that possibility before...

EDIT: KrazyEd was the one who mentioned this earlier in the thread.


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General Discussion / Re: Does Zero need to step up their PR campaign?
« on: March 31, 2016, 07:40:19 PM »
Well, let me come at this as a probable future customer of Zero...

They sell, what, a couple thousand bikes a year right now. Having only followed this site for only a few weeks, I see various problems folks are having both with their bikes as well as dealers (and deserved applause for Hollywood Electrics). A larger awareness campaign would likely bring in more customers, but if they were less informed about technical issues, then the problems being dealt with right now would also likely generate a LOT more negative press.

Zero's current targeting of more informed buyers (online ads, geared to the technology inclined) is probably spot on because those folks are going to be more patient with the shakeout processes with the product and dealerships. Could they target towards the general motorcycle market than they are now? Perhaps. Certainly the folks who are willing to plunk down serious money are tempting targets, but the reality is that a lot of those people are into buying style (big cruiser types) or insane performance. They still see this as mostly an experiment, and they have solid dealerships they can turn to that aren't far enough away to have to worry about getting the ride hauled there. Of course they have bad or unsupportive dealerships too, but they are still able to find better.

Zero doesn't have the resources yet to solidify that kind of support. They don't have millions to invest in that angle when they are working hard to improve their product. So, choosing to stay smaller in marketing presence makes sense as they try to grow organically. There isn't an Elon Musk here to make the big splash. And the bike styles they've chosen to build are basically the easiest point of entry in the motorcycle market. They have generally done the right things, as can be evidenced simply by the fact they are the most successful independent manufacturer of electric motorcycles.

That said, as awareness is increasing in the electric motive power solutions (Tesla, Nissan, Harley's LiveWire), Zero has got to grow up. Dealership support (and vetting) will have to become a focus at some point, and with battery technology gains continuing to become more and more expensive, there will be an inflection point where the product really is good enough for the general motorcycle market to be considered regularly, and that point is where Zero will fail if they don't have some committed partners in the dealerships. Especially if the competition in electric is coming from HD and Polaris, because they have those for their ICE equipment now. Don't get me wrong, Zero can't suddenly be like that, but being better than they have been is going to be a must.

A big marketing push (or even just a little more) is going to sap cash away from those things we would like to see in the future in these machines. It will sap resources away from making better ordering systems for dealerships (hint hint, Zero).

We are by far the best advocates, we know the strengths and weaknesses and aren't as willing to hide the bad (the Harley can do no wrong crowd). We know the things these machines can do, and continue to push them further. Targeting people like us, the technologically and/or eco-minded is exactly the right strategy (for now), to make sure the newcomers have people they can go to for help with ordering alternative parts and keeping things in check with reality.

it will have to change, but I don't think we are there yet, nor are we ready to deal with that influx of unmet expectations (Tesla's Model 3 may be very instructive here).

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