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[Delnari]

I really like the new approach of CCS being implemented in Europe next year with 350Kw stations.  Auto Blog has a small article about the 400 stations going up throughout Europe in 2017.

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/11/29/new-european-charging-network-speed-350-kw/

I can picture stations like this coming to USA by 2020 and EV manufacturers adopting the standard.  Would be so cool to have electric motorcycle that gets 200 mile highway range and could charge in 5 minutes.  How much would you pay for this convenience when doing a weekend ride with friends?

[ctrlburn]

Why not also accept the charge fobs that every EV rider carries? That way you can charge 24/7.
You might even contact your local fast food franchise to see if you can install a small charging station with multiple outlets on their parking lot, that way you can plug in, enjoy your coffee and snack, do some work while charging and get on with your trip.
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There is a fine line between loitering and milking a sundae for a couple hours.  Hanging out at a car dealership for a charge smacks of being an unwelcome guest, and doing so after hours is downright creepy.  Even trolling the parking lot to confirm availability of charging station is uncomfortable for me.

The mindset change of welcoming the EV exclusively with distractions and services beyond charging, even if those services are the "last mile" transportation need.

In my proposed model anyone can already charge 24/7 as most plugs are outside. "Membership" is to get inside during the charge after hours.  Think "anytime fitness" to help set the intent, or even "clubhouse". The paradigm is not "the charging station at the fast food franchise"... it is the "fast food at the charging station franchise".

Sorry about using the word "paradigm", I don't mean to but it is late and it is not the type of language I normally use.

[cheesymac47]

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/11/29/new-european-charging-network-speed-350-kw/

I can picture stations like this coming to USA by 2020 and EV manufacturers adopting the standard.  Would be so cool to have electric motorcycle that gets 200 mile highway range and could charge in 5 minutes.  How much would you pay for this convenience when doing a weekend ride with friends?

It's not the same amount as Europe, but it is also not 2020 -- number 1 is coming soon.

http://insideevs.com/evgo-installing-first-350-kw-ultra-fast-public-charging-station-us/


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[Delnari]

If you watch the interviews with the CharIn CEO he talks about how major auto manufacturers from not just Europe and Asia, but US and Canada buying into the service.  One really nice feature is no more cards will be needed when you go to charge; not even a credit card.  The communication channel on the plug establishes communication with your vehicle and you simply acknowledge yourself (PIN or fingerprint) and the charging begins and applied to your account automatically.  Making the charging process even faster than paying at a gas station today.

[BrianTRice@gmail.com]

If you watch the interviews with the CharIn CEO he talks about how major auto manufacturers from not just Europe and Asia, but US and Canada buying into the service.  One really nice feature is no more cards will be needed when you go to charge; not even a credit card.  The communication channel on the plug establishes communication with your vehicle and you simply acknowledge yourself (PIN or fingerprint) and the charging begins and applied to your account automatically.  Making the charging process even faster than paying at a gas station today.

I think this is a bad idea. It's provably much easier to replace a fob or a card than to fix a broken chip in a charging inlet.

It's also possibly more secure, practically speaking.

It may be less convenient to carry cards, but I hope that CCS vendors are not so greedy and arrogant that they think they can do this without it being an implementation disaster; that is, there had better be a fallback plan.

[NEW2elec]

The bad side of the good.
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/long-lines-tesla-superchargers-holiday-travel-swamps-system-172109043.html

I know Tesla wants total control but they need to learn to play nice with other charging systems.

[Richard230]

The bad side of the good.
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/long-lines-tesla-superchargers-holiday-travel-swamps-system-172109043.html

I know Tesla wants total control but they need to learn to play nice with other charging systems.

And that is why I don't see, ICE vehicles, gasoline stations and Big Oil going away anytime soon.  Until someone comes up with a way to recharge electric vehicles in about 5 minutes and the necessary infrastructure is in place that approaches the number of gasoline stations, the majority of the driving public will stick with ICE - unless gasoline availability dries up as it did during the Gas Crisis of 1974.    Then everyone will be sitting in long lines to refuel - just like in the good old USSR.   

[Doug S]

I dunno. Too many people using your product seems like a problem any number of companies would LOVE to have.

I know Tesla wants total control but they need to learn to play nice with other charging systems.

Long ago, Elon Musk said Tesla would be willing to share the technology and the stations as well, with anybody, provided they were willing to support the effort financially. I don't think anybody's taken them up on the offer. From an engineering point of view, Tesla's design is so far ahead of anybody else's in terms of connector size and power delivered that "playing well" with the others would be a pretty significant downgrade. I think Tesla's doing it better than anybody else and blame the other companies for not getting on board with the best solution.

[NEW2elec]

Well the "playing nice" part goes to the fact that no one else can charge at a Tesla supercharging station.  I guess you can get an adapter to use other j1772 stations on a Tesla but at a much slower rate of course.
The .40 a min "idle" fee and possible higher "peak" charging fees for the model 3's is a troubling trend.  If the rates get closer to gas prices it only slows public conversion to EV's

But the biggest thing is you don't want to tick off people who paid over 100k for your product because it looks like your not growing your stations fast enough to fit the "luxury" experience that comes with a car in that range.

[Erasmo]

Funny thing is that the Tesla's over here have a regular Mennekes port.

[ultrarnr]

I completely agree with Tesla's fee for idle time and believe you will see more of it. I know a business in Charlotte, NC that installed a L2 station for customers to use and charging was free. This lasted until a Tesla owner plugged in and left for several days so no one including the business owner could charge there. The business owner now allows four hours of free charging and then it costs several dollars an hour after that. Until EV owners learn to be considerate of others this sort of charge will be needed. Just read the stories of this past weekend of what happened at a few Tesla superchargers. We bitch all the time about ICE vehicles blocking chargers but in some cases EV owners are our own worst enemies.

[Delnari]

I did hear Tesla is only charging the owners for the "idle" time if they go pass 5 minutes idle at the station, and they are not actually billed until their next service appointment for all their excess idle times.  At my daily parking garage everyone is given a 4 hour max. charging time for a standard J1772 charger.  You have to leave your key with attendant in case you aren't able to move your vehicle before the end of your 4 hours.  Trust me, people don't leave their cars past 4 hours else their car ends up smelling like an episode on "Seinfeld".