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General Discussion / Re: Anyone near Aviano, Italy?
« on: July 14, 2018, 11:47:26 PM »
I would say a used VW GTI would be your best bet. Small csrs are best here due to the size of Italian roads and parking spaces. Gas also costs about $4 a gallon here atm and your gas coupon allowance is at most 100 gal per month. So if you have to live some distance from base then your monthly fuel costs could be upwards of $400+, which is garbage. I would avoid the Subaru completely as well as any brand not sold or made in Europe. Parts and service may not seem like a big deal because you are used to having great availability in the states, which is the opposite here. If your car goes down for the count in winter and it takes 2-3 weeks to get parts from the states, you will have to rent a car for a ridiculous aount of euro. Riding a motorcycle during the harsh winter in North Italy is a sure way to lose your life, not to mention how uncomfortable it would be.

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General Discussion / Re: Anyone near Aviano, Italy?
« on: July 14, 2018, 09:45:27 AM »
Correct, purchasing a car through MAS does not affect you HHG as all vehicles entering the country go through the DoD VPC entity. If you wanted access to your Versys sooner and you were not bringing a car, you can ship it as POV vice in your HHG. My car took around 45 days from the East Coast, my HHG is still in route at 45 days but it cannot be delivered until you find an economy residence (if unaccompanied) whenever it does arrive. Regardless, if you order a car through MAS, it may be a quick delivery or it may take some months to be built and shipped from Germany. Contact the MAS representative from Aviano to inquire about delivery times and availability.

     You will need a car asap when you get here though as everything is not as convenient as in the states and getting around can be a chore without a vehicle. A rental car is an option but it will run you af least 1000€ or more per month. If have to buy a beater until your VW arrives, then that will use up one of your three registrations.

     To be honest, in respect to an actual car, I would skip MAS and just buy a nice used car (automatic) in the states to ship instead (no more than 10K max). Again, Italians are terrible drivers and approx 1 in 3 Americans get in accidents during their tour here. I said accidents, however pretty much everyone gets in random fender benders, end up with random dents that were not there before they parked, or have their side mirrors taken off in traffic by mopeds/motorcycles or the random car/truck driver talking on their mobiles or texting (I have seen moped/motorcycle riders texting while riding...amazingly stupid as it sounds). This is the reason Americans drive beaters here. It is much less stressful when you don't care if a random Italian gets super close to your car in traffic and eventually makes contact or "nudges" you. If you buy a new nice, expensive car and someone hits you in a piece of sh*t Fiat with no insurance, you will be more likely to murder them and end up in the brig versus if you just had a beater instead.

     Also, I say automatic because when you eventually leave, you can sell it easier if it is an automatic as most Italian vehicles are manual. Americans here suck ass at driving manuals in this mountainous terrain, so automatics fetch a higher asking price and are usually worth $1-2K more than the manual equivalent.

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General Discussion / Re: Anyone near Aviano, Italy?
« on: July 13, 2018, 05:04:04 AM »
     The max 3 vehicles per tour is an issue because Italy has some of the worst drivers in all of Europe and consequently the highest insurance costs. First of all, get a quote from USAA for the vehicles that you plan on bringing. I pay about $1250 per year for my BMW 1 series and my Empulse R with only liability for each. Full coverage would be double that cost and I am in my late 30's with zero accidents or claims ever. If something happened to your car (theft/total loss accident) you would have to petition the Region Commander for an exception to SOFA policy, which more than often is going to be denied, unless you have extreme extenuating circumstances.

     Secondly, per SOFA you are only authorized to import one POV and one motorcycle (in your HHG) import duty/tax free. Any additional vehicles are not exempt and you have to pay 22-35% import duty and tax based upon some arbitrary value the Italian Ministry comes up with. Also, you are right to bring a euro brand (VW) here as you will have much greater access to parts and service from the dealers here vice an American brand with minimal to no support and having to wait weeks for parts from the states.

     Thirdly, if I were in your shoes, I would skip bringing a Zero and just bring the Versys 650 and call it good. I am fairly certain that given the issues that some guys have had with failing chargers and random bullshit from Zeros, without at least some dealer support within driving/trailering distance, you will end up with a bike that may fall out of service. However, you will be still required to pay insurance and taxes on it because of Italian law as it applies to SOFA. Just my two cents. I am completely prepared for this inevitably in regards to my Empulse R, but I picked it up used for a third of the cost new, so I am not too concerned. And since Brammo actually sold these here for a short time, I may still have some mechanic support to draw from here and in the Netherlands.

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General Discussion / Re: Anyone near Aviano, Italy?
« on: July 12, 2018, 08:48:07 PM »
I do not know if you are military or not, regardless, per SOFA regulations, you can only register 3 vehicles per tour (to include motorcycles, offroad or not). So unless you are not bringing a POV, I would choose only 1 motorcycle to bring in your HHG. Since the roads are so terrible here, I would lean toward the DSR for the suspension and comfort. But to be honest, I would only buy a used 2016+ that I could get very cheap as you will have no warranty support and Zero will most likely not help you if things went south with your bike. Read some of the European guys on here's woes and issues with support.

   You already have an FXS, so is it reliable and in good condition? Everything is pretty close together here so maybe just bring it and call it a day.

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General Discussion / Re: Anyone near Aviano, Italy?
« on: July 12, 2018, 02:38:12 AM »
I live in Naples, Italy. I have never been to Aviano, but I have been to Vicenza. Italy has some of the best riding there is to be had, but it might not be advantageous to buy a Zero to ship there for one simple reason. Zero dealer support. Italian motorcycle mechanics are great with normal mechanical motorcycle stuff, but if anything electrical goes awry or malfunctions during your tour, I am not sure if you will end up with an expensive boat anchor until you can get it back to the states.

For reference, I have a Brammo Empulse R that I purchased for cash last year. I imported it here with the understanding that I would be on my own for the service and maintenance of the electrical components. Which is not unlike the current stateside situation with Polaris at the helm.

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Richard,

     Since this is the LiveWire forum, I think that he was referring to that product and not Zero. Regardless, Harley s just blowing smoke up everyone's ass about a bike in 2019. If they do put anyhting out, it won't be until 2021 or 2022 and it will be outdated, overpriced, and undesirable so that they can say that they tried but consumers are not interested in electric motorcycles... Blah...Blah...blah.

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Buy Sell Trade / Re: FS: 2017 Energica Ego
« on: April 28, 2018, 07:12:37 PM »
fsaintl, I do not understand the angst at NEW2elec for asking you to post a video showing that it is working well and that there is no frame damage. I actually personally spoke to the adjuster that was trying to unload this thing many months ago and HE described the bike as having been "dropped off the shipping truck" before being delivered to the buyer. I can only repeat what I have been told. I understand that you have valid and extensive motorcycle experience, but all he was asking for was video evidence, which any reasonable person would agree is warranted in this situation. 

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It is the total cost as you have mentioned. Don't mind the sales manager. Enter the figure that you have already quoted. Good luck.

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Other Electric Motorcycles / Re: Yamaha's electric motorcycle concept
« on: February 14, 2018, 01:07:00 PM »
I love the look of this bike. I would totally buy it. I am also partial to the Honda Riding Assist-e as well. I just wish one of these Japanese manufacturers would actually stop playing around a produce one of these concepts that I could actually buy!!

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Buy Sell Trade / Re: FS: 2017 Energica Ego
« on: October 27, 2017, 04:40:06 PM »
This must be the Ego that fell off of the shipping truck late last year. I was in the bidding for it but the gentleman doing the silent auction came back with a $10K "buy it now" offer that I was not interested in sight unseen and untested for frame damage. Looks like this gentleman bought and had it repaired but I dunno about that eyewatering price considering the history. I'd say maybe $20K max, but more than likely close to $16-18K depending on how it rides and on the repair job. Does this come with a salvage title considering the insurance company totaled it?

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Buy Sell Trade / Re: 2016 Zero SR ZF13 Salvage
« on: October 27, 2017, 04:33:02 PM »
Hmm... it sounds like you either got a deal on a slightly damaged SR or got swindled with a boat anchor. Either way, I don't think that a salvage 2016 SR is worth anywhere near $7K as it still needs to be repaired and brought back up to roadgoing condition. Not when you can get a new leftover 2017 SR for $12K and a demo 2016 SR for $10-11K or less. If I were going to bid on it at auction, the most I would have to paid (sight unseen) would be *maybe* $3-4K and even then I would probably still pass. It could be $3-5K just to repair the physical stuff and maybe more if the monolith was compromised in some way. You might be able to make your money back by parting it out as some things might be able to still be used but that is quite a bit of effort for potentially little gain. You time would most likely be better spent on other more financially lucrative endeavors. I wish you luck with it in any case though.

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Buy Sell Trade / Re: Empulse Full Carbon Fiber Fairings
« on: May 01, 2017, 08:54:46 PM »
PM sent.

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Buy Sell Trade / Re: Brammo Empulse R parts
« on: January 28, 2017, 10:35:20 PM »
Hi, do you still have the seat?

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I bid on it and in the end they wanted 10K for it. I passed on it at that time. I could not justify spending that kind of money on a damaged bike sight unseen.

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