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General Discussion / Re: Braking Solutions for 2000 ft Hill
« on: June 16, 2022, 01:54:11 AM »
In that case you’ve got plenty of options below $6k. As long as you go with a reputable brand, you should be able to get more than 20k mi out of it, and I doubt a moped and battery would entail more GHG emissions in manufacturing than 20k miles driven in a gas truck. By pessimistic studies, it takes an electric car 70-90k miles to break even with a gas car (not a gas truck) and e-car batteries are absolutely massive by comparison. I would have to look at the actual numbers to be sure, but I think you would break even in terms of environmental sustainability well before the 20k mi mark.

Niu’s might be OK, but I’ve heard some mixed feedback (although the issues might have been with a particular model). I believe that Super Soco has a pretty good rep. Most of their models are a motorcycle form factor, but I think they have some mopeds as well. There’s also CSC. I’m not the best person to ask about this segment of the market, though, as I use my bikes as freeway machines so I don’t actively research the smaller ones.

Do you know anyone or maybe a different forum that specializes in brands under 6K? Maybe I'll talk to some local moped salesmen.


Be very careful about relying on regen going downhill. There are many conditions that can cancel or limit regen on a Zero, so you may be forced to pull over and let the brakes cool down occasionally if you were suddenly without regen. For instance:  imagine if you charged up to 100% at home in which case it wouldn't regen at all going downhill... any brake can overheat and suffer severe fade.

Couldn't I just turn back uphill and ride for a few minutes? It shouldn't take much time to use up 5% of my battery on such steep hill and regen braking is so inneficient that going down the whole 13 mile hill would probably recharge it less than 5%. Or maybe a more convenient fix would be to splice a high- voltage shutoff to the charger so it only charges to 95%. Even better is to find a bike with motor-braking that can be activated independently of the regen but since Zeros are high-end and even they don't have it I'm doubtful they exist.

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General Discussion / Re: Braking Solutions for 2000 ft Hill
« on: June 12, 2022, 06:10:49 AM »
I do not need to go on the freeway, 43mph is standard for electric mopeds and is perfect for me.

You want an electric bike for sure.  If you have an Energica at max regen, you will probably never touch your brakes going down that hill. Some bikes have more regen than others. Brakes rarely get used when you have an electric bike with a lot of regen. The amount of regen is easily changed on any bike--even as you're riding.


You will also be happy with the Zero's regen--on any of the bikes, but the Energica has more.

An Energica or Zero would be great but I don't have $20k - $30k to tie up. I'm wanting to get something that will save me as much money as possible while saving the environment too (although the manufacturing of the battery and bike may be more destructive than driving my gas truck around for an extra 20k miles, which is what I think the life expectancy of an electric moped is). That's why I'm hoping to spend $6k or less.

For example, take the 2022 NIU NQI GT PRO from Portland https://vespaportland.com/scooters/niu/2022-niu-nqi-gt-pro/
My calculations show that it would save me $2600 if I use it for 20k miles until the battery needs replacement, compared to using my truck. But when I consider the compounded time-value of money for $7k ($6k purchase plus $1k maintainence) over 4yr I am passing up $3600 profit.

I am ok if it's a net $1k loss because I think it would be fun to ride the moped. But when I know the brake discs will probably burn up and turn blue after my first desent and constanty replacing my brake pads I'd be talking a lot lot lot more than $1k net loss. I talked to the sales rep and they don't know of any way to upgrade the brake discs and it does not have regen braking, so I'm still searching for the right e-moped or e-bike.

Thanks for letting me ramble and clear up my thoughts haha!

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General Discussion / Braking Solutions for 2000 ft Hill
« on: June 12, 2022, 04:08:06 AM »
Hey all
I'm thinking about buying an electric motorcycle or moped to save gas money commuting to town a few times per week. I live 2000 ft above town, the road is a windy 16 miles. I would expect stock brakes to burn up quick, are there any solutions? Regenerative braking? Electric motor braking (similar to engine-braking)? Are there any bikes sold for long hills? I'd like to stay under $6000 if possible
Cheers!

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