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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Richard230 on January 30, 2026, 06:21:25 AM
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Tesla will soon be making your new best friend: FREMONT, CA — Tesla will stop building its Model X and S vehicles at its factory in Fremont and instead shift focus to making a million AI humanoid robots each year, the company announced Wednesday. The announcement comes as the company endures a steep drop in income and shifts gears to focus on AI projects such as robots and robotaxis. The robot will be Elon Musk's and Tesla's third generation of Optimus robots since they first launched in 2021. They're meant to be used for labor, especially dangerous, mundane or repetitive tasks. “Optimus 3 will be a general purpose robot that can learn by observing human behavior,” Musk said, according to KRON4. “You can demonstrate a task, verbally describe a task … even show it a video and it will be able to do that task. It’s going to be a very capable robot. I think, long-term, Optimus will have a very significant impact on the U.S. GDP.” The EV company run by Elon Musk reported Wednesday that net income last year dropped 46% to $3.8 billion. It was the second year in a row of steep declines. The drop came despite the introduction of cheaper models and Musk's promise to remain laser-focused on the company after a foray into U.S politics.
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I would rate the chances of Musk swinging from a gallows higher than the chances of producing “a million AI humanoid robots”..with …”significant impact of IS GDP” the way polarisation is playing out in the US, involvement in politics and his history of delivering on claims.
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he does have a rather poor track record of being on time with stuff but he does eventually roll out the items.
i can see the robots selling like crazy, not so much to individuals but corporations looking to get rid of the about worthless nowadays human help they have to put up with. A robot is on time, does not insult your customers, spit in their food, have hr on speed dial, cry about it's pronouns or a number of other ridiculous things humans play when they don't get their way. I can see someone like amazon automating with them as they are getting tired of the human factor as well. The unions will hate it, there goes their graft money when all their shills no longer have jobs. Speaking of, what ARE they going to do with all those now unemployed people all demanding an income just because they are alive and need weed money?
They will break though, so there will be a need for folks to service them and repair them. Id assume they'll be vulnerable to virus' and stuff as well, so programmers to code software etc for them too. Im hungry, hey Robitch make me a sammich. I wonder how long before we have robot marriages and divorces too. Feminism destroyed a generation or 3 of young women, so the robots will probably help with the impending lonliness pandemic as the screeching purple haired looking like livestock both in tonnage and colorful nose ring wearing creatures turn towards AI for companionship because that's the only thing that won't want to suicide itself after a week or so of them.
But imagine if / when you teach a robot to ride a bike, some of the amazing races we will see. About the only game changer / stopper will be equipment malfunctions, as they'll learn how to do everything.. well..perfectly. An optimus on an EGO will be a sight to behold. Then again, once we go there, you can thunderdome it too, have them take each other out on the track as well as evade... something humans can't really do to each other... well at least not multiple times generally, that could add an entire new twist to the racing sport.
interesting times ahead indeed if we don't manage to blow ourselves up in the next few years.
aaron
Aaron
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The nice thing about robots is that they are not affected by clouds of pepper spray. ;)
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but, will they be able to withstand the Karenbot 3000 ??
picture some max headroom-ish bot screaming for the m m ma ma manager.
Aaron
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You gotta get with the times with your haranguing meme individual Aaron, apparently the new term is an AWFUL. Boomer Karens have become too frail.
In all serious there are millions of roles (justified, morally or otherwise) that can become automated by machines or technology, however a general purpose humanoid robot is a terribly inefficient way of doing so, least of all Tesla who cannot get beyond remote management with a human in the loop.
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why does it even have to be humanoid? i mean just make it efficient at what tasks you want it to do, if you must talk to it, fine look at your stupid phone with a photo on it or something, do you NEED a metallic face to pretend it's actually sentient?
isn't the human in the loop to ensure safety before some final sign off on it, like some mandatory thing or something the govt is making him do. in all honesty having a human handy might be a good thing when you look at some of the things that have happened with the waymo's going haywire at times. have some real flesh let you out of the thing so you are not trapped in the middle of an intersection or something. you like to poke fun at the progress he is making but who has something better that is as close to marketing at this point?
aaron
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Oh, that wasn’t a poke at the currently limited non-autonomous fully self driving in the cars. It was a poke at the robots, far all the Optimus demonstrations have been Tele-operated, to the best of my knowledge, entirely human operated when not performing a pre-programmed task. ABB, Fanuc, Yaskawa, Kuka, Universal Robots, Omron all have developed, sold and deployed robots that are able to learn tasks and respond dynamically to changing conditions. Hell, Optimus isn’t even the most capable humanoid bot form, pretty sure most rate the Figure 02. But my main point was that a general purpose humanoid bot seems like very inefficient path to automation.
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Optimus will only ever be good as a butler for the mega rich, doing tasks that aren't time sensitive. It won't replace any public based worker nor physically demanding work like being in a warehouse or factory, it's too slow and clunky and weak to replace a human. The only robot I've seen that could is Boston Dynamic's Atlas, because it can work in a way beyond human capabilities. And for those roles that haven't been highly optimised for humans there will just be other types of robots like an automated fork lift or Boston Dynamic's Stretch.
So basically, Optimus is pretty much meaningless to the vast majority of people. It won't be as good as they pretend it will be or arrive as quickly as they promise and probably not be as cheap either, but none of it really matters. It's just another pet project for Elon like the hyperloop or the new roadster.
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Is anyone looking forward to weekly Optimus over-the-air programming updates once the robots hit the consumer market? ;)
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"Execute order 66."
Cas :)
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could it be any worse than the weekly winblows security updates on your computer richard? then have to re 'exclude' everything because the stupid security program updates and scrubs your previous settings?
if the updates happen seemlessly in the background when i am not using the thing then fine, go for it, as long as i don't have to re teach the thing my fkn name every update because it wipes it clean. then again i wish i had some ex's that didn't remember my name :D
aaron
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Will they follow the Three Laws of Robotics?
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So basically, Optimus is pretty much meaningless to the vast majority of people.
That's true. There isn't much use for them at home, and only a few are needed to satisfy the worldwide demand.
Oops, wait -- that was for computers in the 1970s!
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So basically, Optimus is pretty much meaningless to the vast majority of people.
That's true. There isn't much use for them at home, and only a few are needed to satisfy the worldwide demand.
Oops, wait -- that was for computers in the 1970s!
And it took a good 3 decades for computers to become common in homes. Optimus isn't a Dell desktop it's an IBM 5100, although arguably less useful and worse value for money than even that, and so my point still stands. Maybe in a few decades similar robots will be cheap enough that they have some use and value to mere mortals but this isn't it.
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More toys for the rich, who seem permanently hell-bent on making the poor poorer, or indeed, just redundant and therefore presumably expendable. There's a sort of shadow being cast by "AI" (quotes intentional) as it attempts to make actual humans redundant in many roles. Fortunately it's total shit but that isn't getting in the way of the suits gleefully sacking everyone.
If you want to speculate where it's all heading, look no further than moltbook.
Cas :)
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More toys for the rich, who seem permanently hell-bent on making the poor poorer, or indeed, just redundant and therefore presumably expendable. There's a sort of shadow being cast by "AI" (quotes intentional) as it attempts to make actual humans redundant in many roles. Fortunately it's total shit but that isn't getting in the way of the suits gleefully sacking everyone.
If you want to speculate where it's all heading, look no further than moltbook.
Cas :)
Or how about all of the science fiction robot books that have been written in the past? While human-like robots might not make a lot of practical sense, the general public seems fascinated with them and I think they should sell fairly well - provided Musk has the bugs worked out of them. ::) But they will need cuter looks and maybe some makeup. ;) I bet they, or more likely Chinese robots, could sell well in Japan.
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I'd rather a dog, give me a present day Aibo
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you know damned well they will make a porn bot with a fleshlight jammed up it's digital ass, and every incel across the globe will want 1 or 5.
they'll stick a sausage on the front and every purple haired nose ring wearing hog will want one or 5. they will be a many many billion dollar market. people will pay subscriptions for slut of the month to have it talk dirty to them and act out a different fantasy weekly.
think im joking, just look at all the pervs now who dress up like animals to fuck, or wank off to cartoon porn. yah it's coming.
the porn industry is already a many billion dollar a year industry, this will just send it into hyperdrive.
aaron
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Even the Optimus's highly optimistic cost of $20k is far more than most degenerates who would want a sex bot could afford, when they can get a decent doll for probably a tenth of that. Again it will be limited to the ultra rich, should they get tired of high class hookers.
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high class hookers seem to have this habit of coming back years later and crying rape. They can also extort and bribe you too, but then again, i can see that happening too if someone let the cat out of the bag that you are hunching a doll. you'll probably see a lot of them in business' for menial tasks, customer service droids, maybe maids, busboys, butlers etc. newer more efficient, able models will come out, they'll go on the second hand market, just like used cars and bikes where us normal folks can afford one...although i think ill pass on the used sex doll :o :( but someone to make breakfast or do the dishes might be nice. or in my case, yell at the rottentoo when he starts screaming on a sunday morning because he want's attention. once mass production hits the price will crash. look at desktops when they first came out in the early 80s, they cost as much as a car, now they are a hundred bucks or so for a fairly ok one that does most mundane tasks ok. the price of the bots will probably come down similarly.
Aaron
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Actually you are probably right ... biggest market will be sex bots, not washing up and laundry bots. Even so ... bit of a niche.
And as for a robot dog ... gimme a real dog any day too :)
Cas :)
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I think there could be a very good market for robot home-care services. Right now in California it costs at least $35 an hour for someone to take care of an elderly or infirm person in their home. I have a friend who has 24/7 care in his home by a series of helpers. I also had a neighbor who had a woman living with her for months 7 days a week, until she finally passed away recently. Before my mother passed away in her apartment 8 years ago at 94, she had a woman take care of her 12 hours a day, 7 days a week for which I was paying $18 a hour. Costs have easily doubled since then, along with a lot of new rules and regulations relating to the home service industry. Care like that could easily add up to $100K a year, which would make the purchase of a home service robot look cheap.
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I think there could be a very good market for robot home-care services. Right now in California it costs at least $35 an hour for someone to take care of an elderly or infirm person in their home. I have a friend who has 24/7 care in his home by a series of helpers. I also had a neighbor who had a woman living with her for months 7 days a week, until she finally passed away recently. Before my mother passed away in her apartment 8 years ago at 94, she had a woman take care of her 12 hours a day, 7 days a week for which I was paying $18 a hour. Costs have easily doubled since then, along with a lot of new rules and regulations relating to the home service industry. Care like that could easily add up to $100K a year, which would make the purchase of a home service robot look cheap.
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This is where the majority of human like robots will be utilized initially before costs drop.
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I think ... I'd rather just die than be left abandoned to the care of a robot, knowing nobody human gave a shit about me.
Well I say that now because I can still wipe my own arse but I might feel a bit more desperate to cling on to my miserable lonely existence when the time comes, but still. It's bleak.
Cas :)
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And it took a good 3 decades for computers to become common in homes. Optimus isn't a Dell desktop it's an IBM 5100, although arguably less useful and worse value for money than even that, and so my point still stands. Maybe in a few decades similar robots will be cheap enough that they have some use and value to mere mortals but this isn't it.
You're forgetting that we're on an exponential curve. It's going to take WAY less time! In a few decades, you will not recognize anything and it'll all be like magic.
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More toys for the rich, who seem permanently hell-bent on making the poor poorer, or indeed, just redundant and therefore presumably expendable.
Toys to make the rich richer and the poor poorer? Just like books, refrigerators, radios, phonographs, TVs, cars and EVs? That's such a communist mentality: holding back the best in the name of pure jealousy.
There's a sort of shadow being cast by "AI" (quotes intentional) as it attempts to make actual humans redundant in many roles. Fortunately it's total shit but that isn't getting in the way of the suits gleefully sacking everyone.
You've hit upon the true problem. On the one hand, life gets much easier for everyone. On the other, when life is too easy that's when the trouble starts.
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[Or how about all of the science fiction robot books that have been written in the past? While human-like robots might not make a lot of practical sense, the general public seems fascinated with them and I think they should sell fairly well - provided Musk has the bugs worked out of them.
Purpose-built might perform better with specificity to their shape, but apparently we are skipping directly to general purpose. We have evolved to have a certain physical shape for coping in the world. We might as well not start from scratch in that department -- although they are adding 360 swivels to the joints to spice it up.
I'm absolutely amazed at what's going on. That thing where Captain Kirk is saying "Computer, what's that on the viewport?" is already freaking here. The technology where humanoid robots walk among humans is nearly within view. It will solidify as the training and inference slowly (5-10 years) blend together.
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I think there could be a very good market for robot home-care services. Right now in California it costs at least $35 an hour for someone to take care of an elderly or infirm person in their home. I have a friend who has 24/7 care in his home by a series of helpers. I also had a neighbor who had a woman living with her for months 7 days a week, until she finally passed away recently. Before my mother passed away in her apartment 8 years ago at 94, she had a woman take care of her 12 hours a day, 7 days a week for which I was paying $18 a hour. Costs have easily doubled since then, along with a lot of new rules and regulations relating to the home service industry. Care like that could easily add up to $100K a year, which would make the purchase of a home service robot look cheap.
As amazing as it would be to replace human carers with robot ones it will be a very long time before these robot are human in anyway other than shape. A robot can't be trusted to provide medical care, emotional support and deal with mental health issues, and be 100% reliable in handling delicate people. They could maybe do it via telepresence and maybe that would be a little cheaper than just sending the person out to the place of care, but that's not what everyone is striving to achieve. Shit just look at Tesla being embarrassed and trying to cover up for using telepresence.
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Extrapolate out out long as it takes... maybe not my lifetime but probably within the next century. We can now build robots that can do anything humans can do. What happens then?
Cas :)
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It all depends on how much they end up costing but potentially we end up living in a near utopia where no one has to do the shitty jobs anymore. Although it will mean everyone pivots to working the jobs that humans just can't replace, a lot of it being maintaining the bots, so it won't mean people won't have to work.
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Which is what they said about computers, washing machines, combine harvesters, spinning jennies, etc. but what actually happens is that a load of people lose their jobs and become poor and nobody wants to give them anything, so they have to find some different work to do, and a decreasingly small number of people who control robot production get increasingly disproportionately wealthy as they buy up all the assets they can with their money and rent them back to the newly impoverished for the rest of their miserable lives.
The system, as designed, always means that even as some device comes along to save labour, the amount of work simply increases and everybody scrambles over the top of each other to do the extra work or simply become unemployed. Maybe it'll be even worse in the case of androids, because once you've got general purpose androids, what can the poor possibly do for the rich? What do the owners of robots, and the makers of robots, even need the poor to exist for any more?
Cas :)
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sounds like the poor better step up their game and figure out some skill to be worth while to society.
Every time there is some tech advance, some sector gets put out of work, and they whine wail and scream oh woe is me. cars, displaced the wagon industry, video tape displaced the reel to reel industry, cd's displaced the tape industry, then came SS electronics... then came the internet and streaming. on and on and on
skills, the trades, construction, plumbing, electrical, woodworking, framing, etc. none of that is going away anytime soon, learn a skill that will earn you a living, instead of something ignorant like medieval lesbians and their tools of the trade type degrees.
middle class probably is not going to afford the bots, at least not for a while, they still need people to mow lawns, rake leaves, do yardwork etc. a lot of those jobs won't go away. mechanical skills won't go away, troubleshooting, won't go away, no bot will be able to look under the hood of your car and say, ok this is the problem, then go and fix it unsupervised. my shitter clogs up, someone needs to come and fix it. that shit's expensive, those people make money. guess what, middle class shitters clog too, not just the rich people. on that, there are so many different types of toilets, no bot is going to know how to snake each one, every bathroom is laid out different, every sewer system is different, degraded different, no bot could possibly know every layout, plenty of use for humans. Chefs, people love to eat real food, NO machine will ever replace a good chef with current tech, as so much of good food you need feel, sight, smell,..tribal knowledge to prepare it perfectly, even grilling. no robot will be able to taste, sniff and say, hmm a pinch of this,and 5 more minutes.
even the low skilled, lower intellect folks will have plenty of job opportunities, just get rid that retarded entitlement mindset that you are worth 25 or 30 dollars an hour because you absolutely are NOT. if your weed is too expensive and you can't afford it, learn better paying skills.
there is no free ride.
robots will be the end of humans because people will be lazy shits, why should i learn anything, gain any skills, ill have my robot do it. Talk about useless eaters, you think there are a lot now, just wait until the bots start replacing the low skilled jobs and they won't do anything else, won't learn something better, just expect someone else to feed them like a canary bird. it's gonna get interesting.
aaron
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sounds like the poor better step up their game and figure out some skill to be worth while to society.
hooooooooooooooooly shit. Found satan, boys
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ahh you finally figured out a way to reflect in a mirror? what did you do, peel someone's skin and wear it?
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Just busy here confusing Porphyria with Lucifer
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ill have Krampus pay you a visit then to help you get things sorted.
Lucifer Rides Lectric' i see a meme in there.
Aaron