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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Richard230 on July 02, 2021, 11:30:56 PM
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Here we go again. >:(
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Here we go again. >:(
A lot of print to say nothing at all. What is the advantage, if any, over Windows 10?
I do see the disadvantages mentioned, but there has to be more to it than that.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Here we go again. >:(
A lot of print to say nothing at all. What is the advantage, if any, over Windows 10?
I do see the disadvantages mentioned, but there has to be more to it than that.
-Don- Reno, NV
At least one person on another forum that seemed to know something about W11 claimed that it would be sending "a ton of information" to Microsoft regarding your use of the program.
One thing that really irritates me about W10 is that it steals my photos off of my computer files without me asking it to do so and places them in an album in the cloud. That is one feature that I can do without, but I bet it or something like it (maybe more intrusive) will be a feature of W11. >:(
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One thing that really irritates me about W10 is that it steals my photos off of my computer files without me asking it to do so and places them in an album in the cloud. That is one feature that I can do without, but I bet it or something like it (maybe more intrusive) will be a feature of W11. >:(
You can change W10 to not do that. My photos all stay where I put them.
You probably have JPG and other such files associated to a program that causes such.
-Don- Cold Springs Valley, NV
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My 2013 Macbook Air can run the current MacOS ^-^
-Crissa
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I got tired of dealing with Windows and switched most of my old computers that would not run Windows anymore to Linux about a year ago. A bit of a learning curve but I am happy with the end result.
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Still hoping for Linux to Not Be Shit one day but I've been hoping that for 20 years and it's still not happened yet and I doubt it ever will by design. MacOS is awful beyond belief, but mostly because of Apple. Sadly this leaves Windows 10, which is the least shit Windows since Windows NT 3.51, so that's sort of nice.
Cas :)
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Anyone who says macos is awful clearly has no idea what they're talking about.
Windows 10: Doing a 2TB file transfer? Oop, I'll fall asleep after an hour, even though the operation takes twelve.
MacOS: Yeah, lemme finish that file transfer first. I'll powernap anything else, tho.
-Crissa
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I have an old computer that runs Windows 7 "ultimate". I have been very happy with that system and it has never given me any problems. With Windows 10 has been a constant struggle to maintain my settings. Every time I get an update, it resets the system so that I have to struggle to get it to find my printer again (as an example) and I still haven't be able to get my printer's scanner feature to work again like it used to do. I never had that issue with Windows 7.
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I have an old computer that runs Windows 7 "ultimate". I have been very happy with that system and it has never given me any problems. With Windows 10 has been a constant struggle to maintain my settings. Every time I get an update, it resets the system so that I have to struggle to get it to find my printer again (as an example) and I still haven't be able to get my printer's scanner feature to work again like it used to do. I never had that issue with Windows 7.
Windows Ten has not caused me any issues at all, other than putting it on an old notebook computer that can only have two megs of RAM. It works, but ridiculously slow. It was designed for Windows 7. You're probably best off to keep it with Windows 7 as I should have done with my old notebook computer.
The desktop computer I am using right now works perfectly with Win10. Never gave me any issues, has 8 megs of RAM, and fast. I use a wireless printer/scanner / fax combo that is located in a different work which also never gave me any issues.
I have no reason to even try Windows 11, but I still wonder what the advantage can be, if any, to anybody whose computers are okay with Win10.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Windows 7 was not good but not too awful, 8 was a mess, 10 is a mess.
I agree W7 was better than W8 for a few reasons.
But what are the issues some have with Win10? Win10 has always worked perfectly for me and I do not even want to try Win11 because I doubt there will be any advantage to me.
Win10 does everything I want it to do. And as is, it has tons of features I will probably never use.
-Don- Reno, NV
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For me, Windows 10 is just too complicated and the constant updates are not helping. All I use my computers for is to visit motorcycle forums, send and receive email, watch YouTube videos, store photos that I have taken, check the local weather using Weather Underground and word process using LibreOffice. And the only thing I use my cell phone for is to make telephone calls - unfortunately, I have to walk a half mile to where I can receive a signal before I can make a call. ::)
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For me, Windows 10 is just too complicated and the constant updates are not helping. All I use my computers for is to visit motorcycle forums, send and receive email, watch YouTube videos, store photos that I have taken, check the local weather using Weather Underground and word process using LibreOffice. And the only thing I use my cell phone for is to make telephone calls - unfortunately, I have to walk a half mile to where I can receive a signal before I can make a call. ::)
Don't expect the updates to do much of anything. You shouldn't have any issues with Win10 for what you're using your computer for.
I probably make two calls per year from my cell on the average. It is almost never turned on, but I always take it with me. But it's on V W/L, as I want it to work when I do need it, and they have the best range.
-Don- Reno
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Windows Ten has not caused me any issues at all, other than putting it on an old notebook computer that can only have two megs of RAM.
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The desktop computer I am using right now works perfectly with Win10. Never gave me any issues, has 8 megs of RAM, and fast.
I hope when you say "megs" you actually mean "gigs".
Personally I'm fine with Win10, as I was with Win98, Win2000 and Windows 7. 8 seemed pointless to me, and if I have to pay for an upgrade to W11 I will postpone it for as long as I can. I am on a metered connection and I don't need all this bandwidth eating foofoo stuff. I managed to turn everything off that I don't need but these days it's quite a challenge to go to cnn's home page without a video automatically popping up (not happening anymore here and a firewall also helps a lot locking things out that don't need internet).
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I almost forgot that I also use my cell phone to update my Zero's firmware. That is likely the best use of that device. :)
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I hope when you say "megs" you actually mean "gigs".
Yep, I don't know why I said megs. Personally I'm fine with Win10, as I was with Win98, Win2000 and Windows 7. 8 seemed pointless to me, and if I have to pay for an upgrade to W11 I will postpone it for as long as I can. I am on a metered connection and I don't need all this bandwidth eating foofoo stuff. I managed to turn everything off that I don't need but these days it's quite a challenge to go to cnn's home page without a video automatically popping up (not happening anymore here and a firewall also helps a lot locking things out that don't need internet).
Yeah, for the times, they all worked fine for me too. I once was using Windows 3. I don't recall there ever being a Windows 1 & 2. But even Windows 3 worked well for the times. But things have changed a lot since those days.
I see no reason to upgrade unless later there is some program I want that requires Windows 11. And I think that is unlikely.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Sadly I'm a software developer by trade and I use Windows and Linux daily, and for my sins, I've been doing it for 30 years, though Linux mercifully only for the last 10. I gave up on MacOS because it was just so awfully clunky (don't even get me started on the horror of Xcode just a few years ago), and the price of the hardware is a bit of a joke, and I can't stand Apple the company. I use Linux mostly because I have to use it, not because I want to. Currently Windows 10 is the best desktop OS out there for just getting the hell out of the way and reliably working (YMMV but I've had endless fun with Linux distros... for certain values of "fun")
I used to love Macs back in the 68K days, though I rather liked my Amigas too.
Cas :)
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My son-in-law is a program developer (coder?) for a small startup company. He just loves Linux and has been using it for the past 20 years. He doesn't care for Windows very much and only has one computer that uses that program. He keeps trying to get me to use Linux, but I don't want to try anything new. Personally, I was as happy as a clam using Windows 95. ;)
I might add that when I retired my office gave me my old 1952 Underwood Five typewriter. Eventually, I was forced to learn where the on and off switch was on the computer that they gave me at work (which used floppy discs). I still have the typewriter, but the ink on its ribbons has long since dried out. Plus, I really do like my word processing program which corrects all of my typing mistakes and spelling errors, without me having to smear whiteout on my mistakes and wait for it to dry. :-[ Now that is a technology that I really appreciate. :)
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A friend is a programmer at MicroShaft. When Windoze 11 was to be announced, I asked him if I should be excited.
He gave me a rather subdued NO. I then asked if it was similar to the Vista upgrade. He said not to have my hopes so high.
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A friend is a programmer at MicroShaft. When Windoze 11 was to be announced, I asked him if I should be excited.
He gave me a rather subdued NO. I then asked if it was similar to the Vista upgrade. He said not to have my hopes so high.
Somebody once told me there is a reliable pattern for MicroShaft to tell if an OS will be great or junk. It's every other release:
Win ME-Junk
Win XP-good
Win Vista-Junk
Win 7-good
Win 8-Junk
Win 10-good (for those who know how to use it correctly).
So next will be junk (Win 11).
BTW, was there ever a Win 1, 2 , 3, 4, 5, 6 and 9?
-Don- Reno, NV[size=78%] [/size]
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A friend is a programmer at MicroShaft. When Windoze 11 was to be announced, I asked him if I should be excited.
He gave me a rather subdued NO. I then asked if it was similar to the Vista upgrade. He said not to have my hopes so high.
Somebody once told me there is a reliable pattern for MicroShaft to tell if an OS will be great or junk. It's every other release:
Win ME-Junk
Win XP-good
Win Vista-Junk
Win 7-good
Win 8-Junk
Win 10-good (for those who know how to use it correctly).
So next will be junk (Win 11).
BTW, was there ever a Win 1, 2 , 3, 4, 5, 6 and 9?
-Don- Reno, NV[size=78%] [/size]
95/98/ME would have been 4, XP is 5, Vista is 6. No 9 because it sounded like No in German.
Personally I haven't hated any of the Windows versions and I've used them all starting with 95. I can't say I've regretted any of the upgrades, for me it's always been an improvement to reliability, ease of use, and features with every new version. Perhaps the only exception would be Windows 8 when it would default to the weird start screen that was based off the Xbox OS or some shit, but that was fixed with 8.1 where you could choose to start on a normal desktop.
I've used Mac OS in the past at school and hated it, it wasn't intuitive to use (although some of that will admittedly be down to not getting used to it) and there was annoying shit that bugged me like not being able to just maximise windows, right click (this was a while ago), and the ugly taskbar dock that took up an unnecessary amount of room.
I've used a few versions of Linux before and they've been okay, I just wouldn't use it on regular basis simply because of the lack of compatibility.
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Windows 7 was great. I still have a laptop that runs it. My two servers at home run Windows 8.1 since there is less telemetry. It's the minimum OS required for Quick Sync for some of my apps.
The rest of my boxes run Windows 10, begrudgingly. You can tame some of the nastiness by running O&O ShutUp10 to turn off the bad stuff. You don't need to keep it running - just check it after every update to make sure Microshaft didn't reset your parameters.
Windows 11 however, from what I read, will be much more Cloud based and harder to disconnect the tether. I'll run a copy in a VM when it comes out and see what I can do.
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My biggest issue with Windows 8 - 10 is the lack of cohesion between dialog boxes, menus, user interface, etc. Pick Classic or Metro, but pick one. It looks like a kindergartner developed it. And quck making something that took 1-2 clicks now take 4-5 to get to the same point.
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I recall having a copy of Windows 2. It was a CGA monitor program. Windows 3 was the first VGA software, and of course it was a user interface shell that ran on Dos, it was not OS in itself.
I started with Windows 3.0 on an IBM PS/1 with 2Mb RAM. Damn that thing got much faster when I doubled that memory!
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Another thing. I turn off all updates. Usually next morning I have a message on my screen that my computer has been restarted to install updates.
That has an easy fix if you're using wireless. Just set that wireless connection as a "metered connection" even if not metered. That will stop your updates.
-Don- Reno, NV
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The first computer that I learned on was in college. I believe it was an IBM 360, which used punch cards to program and I think the operating system was COBAL. Unfortunately, I never have been very good not making mistakes when typing and when punching holes in a big pile of cards I would always make at least one mistake that would screw things up when the cards were dropped into the hopper to be read by the huge machine. My computer skills went downhill from there. :-[
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The first computer that I learned on was in college. I believe it was an IBM 360, which used punch cards to program and I think the operating system was COBAL. Unfortunately, I never have been very good not making mistakes when typing and when punching holes in a big pile of cards I would always make at least one mistake that would screw things up when the cards were dropped into the hopper to be read by the huge machine. My computer skills went downhill from there. :-[
"To err is human, but to really foul things up you need a computer."
-Paul R. Ehrlich
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I picked up this cartoon on the Royal Enfield forum (of all places). Most likely you will have to be a programmer to fully appreciate it, though.
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I sent that cartoon to my son-in-law who programs (codes?) all day long. Here is what he had to say about the points the cartoon was trying to make regarding the different types of computer languages:
I get some of those punchlines.
I understand what they're saying about C++ however it doesn't capture the true difference between C++ and most of the other languages. Building a horse in C++ would take longer and would require more detail than most of the other options but when you're done it would be a sturdy and fast horse.
I don't understand the Java joke.
The JavaScript joke is... maybe funny because they are repurposing the words "backbone" and "angular"? Not sure.
I don't understand the NoSql joke except maybe they are joking about how if you don't use SQL (hence the "No") then your database is not easily searchable, so data can get lost there unless you remember where it is.
COBOL is an old language and few developers use/know it. A "dragon" is a large complicated application/system that developers struggle to fix/use/understand.
LISP uses a LOT of parentheses and the interesting behavior can be hidden deep inside those parentheses in non-obvious places.
I don't understand the C# joke.
Assembly is one level above byte-code and can produce the most optimized version of a horse, but you just can't write big complicated featureful horses with it.
PHP is used for websites which can suffer from exploits. I guess the joke is: if you try to make a horse with PHP then it will inevitably have exploits and many hackers will take advantage of them to make your life miserable.
Interestingly, they couldn't come up with a joke about Python (one of the more popular programming languages).
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I guess it really was only funny for programmers. If you have to explain a joke it's usually not funny anymore.
What I'm expecting from Windows 11 is nothing that actually benefits the user. More data transfer that I can't control, more cloud based services although I prefer to keep my stuff local, probably 24/7 surveillance through camera and microphone so they can spam me with tailored ads. No thank you. With my current settings Win10 is doing what it is supposed to do and I don't think there is any major functionality missing.
While I can't say anything about usability from a programmers standpoint, I have no issues with Win10 as a user. I never had any driver issues and stuff usually just works.
If it wasn't for the games and some other programs that don't work under Linux (or at least not without major workarounds), I would still switch right away, just because Linux is an open OS without hidden functionality in it.
Maybe that's just me being paranoid, but until proven otherwise, I don't believe that an OS upgrade would benefit me in any way.
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NoSQL and Angular are specific packages to be included in, and they often break.
I guess programming is wide enough that even programmers don't get all the references.
-Crissa
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Here is another funny operating system comparison:
Different operating systems. Different styles. But what if the quirks and styles of the different operating systems were applied to AIRLINES?
What if airlines ran things the way operating systems do? This humorous analogy, applying operating system philosophies as if they were airlines, is a long-standing much-circulated amusing story, and we'd credit the author if we knew who wrote it!
If Operating Systems Ran The Airlines...
UNIX Airways
Everyone brings one piece of the plane along when they come to the airport. They all go out on the runway and put the plane together piece by piece, arguing non-stop about what kind of plane they are supposed to be building.
Air DOS
Everybody pushes the airplane until it glides, then they jump on and let the plane coast until it hits the ground again. Then they push again, jump on again, and so on...
Mac Airlines
All the stewards, captains, baggage handlers, and ticket agents look and act exactly the same. Every time you ask questions about details, you are gently but firmly told that you don't need to know, don't want to know, and everything will be done for you without your ever having to know, so just shut up.
Windows Air
The terminal is pretty and colourful, with friendly stewards, easy baggage check and boarding, and a smooth take-off. After about 10 minutes in the air, the plane explodes with no warning whatsoever.
Windows NT Air
Just like Windows Air, but costs more, uses much bigger planes, and takes out all the other aircraft within a 40-mile radius when it explodes.
Windows XP Air
You turn up at the airport,which is under contract to only allow XP Air planes. All the aircraft are identical, brightly coloured and three times as big as they need to be. The signs are huge and all point the same way. Whichever way you go, someone pops up dressed in a cloak and pointed hat insisting you follow him. Your luggage and clothes are taken off you and replaced with an XP Air suit and suitcase identical to everyone around you as this is included in the exorbitant ticket cost. The aircraft will not take off until you have signed a contract. The inflight entertainment promised turns out to be the same Mickey Mouse cartoon repeated over and over again. You have to phone your travel agent before you can have a meal or drink. You are searched regularly throughout the flight. If you go to the toilet twice or more you get charged for a new ticket. No matter what destination you booked you will always end up crash landing at Whistler in Canada.
OSX Air
You enter a white terminal, and all you can see is a woman sitting in the corner behind a white desk, you walk up to get your ticket. She smiles and says "Welcome to OS X Air, please allow us to take your picture", at which point a camera in the wall you didn't notice before takes your picture. "Thank you, here is your ticket" You are handed a minimalistic ticket with your picture at the top, it already has all of your information. A door opens to your right and you walk through. You enter a wide open space with one seat in the middle, you sit, listen to music and watch movies until the end of the flight. You never see any of the other passengers. You land, get off, and you say to yourself "wow, that was really nice, but I feel like something was missing"
Windows Vista Airlines
You enter a good looking terminal with the largest planes you have ever seen. Every 10 feet a security officer appears and asks you if you are "sure" you want to continue walking to your plane and if you would like to cancel. Not sure what cancel would do, you continue walking and ask the agent at the desk why the planes are so big. After the security officer making sure you want to ask the question and you want to hear the answer, the agent replies that they are bigger because it makes customers feel better, but the planes are designed to fly twice as slow. Adding the size helped achieve the slow fly goal.
Once on the plane, every passenger has to be asked individually by the flight attendants if they are sure they want to take this flight. Then it is company policy that the captain asks the passengers collectively the same thing. After answering yes to so many questions, you are punched in the face by some stranger who when he asked "Are you sure you want me to punch you in the face? Cancel or Allow?" you instinctively say "Allow".
After takeoff, the pilots realize that the landing gear driver wasn't updated to work with the new plane. Therefore it is always stuck in the down position. This forces the plane to fly even slower, but the pilots are used to it and continue to fly the planes, hoping that soon the landing gear manufacturer will give out a landing gear driver update.
You arrive at your destination wishing you had used your reward miles with XP airlines rather than trying out this new carrier. A close friend, after hearing your story, mentions that Linux Air is a much better alternative and helps.
Linux Air
Disgruntled employees of all the other OS airlines decide to start their own airline. They build the planes, ticket counters, and pave the runways themselves. They charge a small fee to cover the cost of printing the ticket, but you can also download and print the ticket yourself.
When you board the plane, you are given a seat, four bolts, a wrench and a copy of the seat-HOWTO.html. Once settled, the fully adjustable seat is very comfortable, the plane leaves and arrives on time without a single problem, the in-flight meal is wonderful. You try to tell customers of the other airlines about the great trip, but all they can say is, "You had to do what with the seat?"
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For me, Windows 10 is just too complicated and the constant updates are not helping. All I use my computers for is to visit motorcycle forums, send and receive email, watch YouTube videos, store photos that I have taken, check the local weather using Weather Underground and word process using LibreOffice. And the only thing I use my cell phone for is to make telephone calls - unfortunately, I have to walk a half mile to where I can receive a signal before I can make a call. ::)
Sounds like you could benefit from just a simple linux distribution.
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For me, Windows 10 is just too complicated and the constant updates are not helping. All I use my computers for is to visit motorcycle forums, send and receive email, watch YouTube videos, store photos that I have taken, check the local weather using Weather Underground and word process using LibreOffice. And the only thing I use my cell phone for is to make telephone calls - unfortunately, I have to walk a half mile to where I can receive a signal before I can make a call. ::)
Sounds like you could benefit from just a simple linux distribution.
My son-in-law has been swearing by Linux for many years and wants to use nothing else, but I am stuck on Windows and don't want to learn any new tricks to get my computer to work. So I just go with the flow and complain about Windows, which has way too many features for me. ;)