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[DonTom]

I have been saying for years that there is a lot of vaporware with EV batteries.


But the SSB was the one that fooled me.


As they say, a lie repeated enough times becomes the truth (at least for quite a while).


And I fell for the lie. But at least I didn't invest in the lie.


-Don-  Auburn, CA

[jotjotde]

The NORDIC SAGA continues.

https://insideevs.com/news/798393/donut-lab-solid-state-debunked-lithium-ion-battery/

The vid linked inside this article is worth watching.

Once I sincerely hoped that Donut Lab was telling the truth, but the indications a not pointing in that direction.
Even if I had the money to buy a Verge with SSB right now, I would have to wait more than a year for delivery acc. to Verge's website. That tells its own story, I think.

I am 100 % sure, in about 5 years there will be a Hollywood picture about this.

[JaimeC]

The NORDIC SAGA continues.

https://insideevs.com/news/798393/donut-lab-solid-state-debunked-lithium-ion-battery/

The vid linked inside this article is worth watching.

Once I sincerely hoped that Donut Lab was telling the truth, but the indications a not pointing in that direction.
Even if I had the money to buy a Verge with SSB right now, I would have to wait more than a year for delivery acc. to Verge's website. That tells its own story, I think.

I am 100 % sure, in about 5 years there will be a Hollywood picture about this.

"The video inside" is the same video I post earlier in this thread that started this whole dialog.

[Richard230]

Speaking of sodium lithium batteries, I recall that when Zero first announced their bikes (before the board took over and the founder got the boot) they advertised that they were using sodium-based batteries, not because  they had a lot of capacity, but because they were relatively easily to be recycled. But I think that claim about using sodium batteries didn't make it into their first production models. 

[Specter]

sodium has less energy density, heavier, less power, but yes cheaper and easier to recycle.  but who wants a bike that weighs 30 lbs more and goes 30miles less?

right now the prevailing directions seem to be  make something different, or make something safer.  different is unexplored territory,  safer, you have a lot of help/known's but also a lot of competition.

supercaps, are about as simple as you can get.  mylar /carbon powder rolled up like one big tootsie roll, or would that be hoho    can series for higher voltage but have limitations there, and current limitations.

liquid batteries show a lot of promise too, the vanadium flow batteries look very interesting, but, like everything else, you see a few cinderella stories, half of which are begging for you to throw money at them and get in on the 'ground floor' bla bla... weve seen that before.

who knows, with quantum computers and such, maybe something will be discovered that is another disruptor, what they can do is amazing but unfortunately we know humanity, they won't  be used mainly for 'good'.

aaron

[Richard230]

You might find this article regarding GM's sodium-ion based battery that was in my newspaper yesterday interesting.

[Specter]

in that use case it makes a lot of sense.  its twice as big but who cares, they are shoving it inside a building to just sit on a parcel of land.  the size is not super important there.   for a larger vehicle, maybe a truck, it's not as important as theres a bit of room to shove shit and carry around.  when you get to smaller things like economy cars, or devices, then it gets critical, and just don't work.
if they really want to go old school,  go nickel iron. it's about indestructable, you boil it dry, just add new electrolyte up and down a few times and it's about as good as new again, and lasts decades if you do treat it right.

i love how they are taking things from 20 years ago and spinning it like, and this 'advanced technology'  oh stfu already lol.

aaron

[princec]

Well you say that but ... they're already on the roads and they're working just fine. About the only place they're probably not a good fit is high performance motorcycles.

[Specter]

in larger vehicles yes they will work, they got room to put them in at, now a compact car or something you want to be ultra efficient, then no, the weight for the power kills that.  the cross country trucks, while theyd work fine there because theres gob tons of room to store them under the frame, subframe them etc etc, on the other hand, depending on the cargo, they might be a liability because they take away from cargo capacity.  they could work with the right cargo.  stuff that would fill a truck and not get close to the 80k limit, great, roll em out.

aaron

[princec]

But that's exactly where they are about to be used ... isn't the Changan Nevo A06 going to have a sodium ion battery version?