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ultrarnr

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Re: Good News?
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2024, 03:39:23 AM »

Zero tried the direct sales very early on and it didn't work out for them which is why they are now sold through dealers. People always make the comparison with Tesla as far as direct sales goes but Tesla has their own service centers and I can't see that being practical for Energica or any other motorcycle brand. The volume of sales just isn't there to justify the expense of setting up service centers for a specific electric motorcycle brand.
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Re: Good News?
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2024, 12:13:03 AM »

Having a dealer is almost always going to be a better way, because many people just want to bring the bike in and have whatever it needs, taken care of.  When it comes to buying, many, myself included want to actually SEE it, sit on it, feel it, ride it, not just look at a picture and then go, ok, yah I think that'll work.  For that kind of $$ I want to KNOW.

As for sales, if the company is responsive, answers phone calls, and you can talk to a person then it'd probably work.  What most people despise is when you can't get in touch with anyone, or worse, they come at you with that big greasy ass foot long used car salesman smile, but the moment they get your money, you can't get in touch with anyone anymore.  Energica has never been this way, even now with their issues, you can still get people to answer the phone or reply to an e mail.  If they went to a internet sales thing I don't think it'd harm too bad, thats pretty much how it worked to this point, except for those who actually DID live near a dealer and were able to go in and see one, touch it etc.  I honestly think they'd do a LOT better with dealers but what comes next remains to be seen.

The market for electric bikes is just too small for a stand alone dealership at this point, IMO, unless it was something like a shop in a strip mall, with a few bikes, a few people working at, a mom and pop type of thing I think would work exceptionally well, not a big dealership type of thing, they just don't have the thruput yet to support that kind of showroom.  As a side, they could also work on other models of electric bikes as well, the Zero's and Live Wires IF those manu's would allow it.

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FrankF87

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Re: Good News?
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2025, 11:23:49 PM »

Any word on the Energica auction on January 30? Who bought the company? Outlook seemed positive but haven't seen any information or discussion.
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Re: Good News?
« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2025, 04:45:10 AM »

So far the news isn’t good. The official post was that no offers were received.
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Re: Good News?
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2025, 12:37:46 AM »

Yeah, that is really bad news!
I hoped that at least some Chinese company would bid.

Apparently the news travelled fast. Here in Germany there is a 2021 EGO on offer with less than 8000 km for 8k €. Fault: It does not start.
It seems someone does not expect the bike to be repaired ever.
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Re: Good News?
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2025, 10:34:03 PM »

Is the Energica company website shut down? I keep getting "This site can't be reached". Did the bankruptcy trustee close it down? Any word from dealers?
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Specter

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Re: Good News?
« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2025, 12:25:47 AM »

The website is having issues, they are NOT shut down or out of business.
It's looking like some hosting issue bs.
I had this happen to my website a few weeks ago, some php bullshit got updated and it wasn't compatible with a few of my db's, so I had to roll back the version to get it back online because im too lazy/stupid to convert the tables over to the recent version.

anyways, it's a host issue NOT them going away afaik

aaron
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Re: Good News?
« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2025, 12:42:10 AM »

Thanks - it freaked me out - I feel better now.
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Re: Good News?
« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2025, 11:38:14 PM »

I saw somewhere that energica sold over 1milion vehicles

i know this is wishful thinking but if every owner pledge 5$, then we get all patents like open source
Will be great to be a capable of making own parts or software/app changes
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ACDC Biker

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Re: Good News?
« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2025, 02:56:56 AM »

1 Millionen??
A handcrafted motorcycle... The numbers can't be right?!
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Re: Good News?
« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2025, 03:44:43 AM »

1 Millionen??
A handcrafted motorcycle... The numbers can't be right?!

In an interview with the German Motorrad magazine in October '24 Livia Cevolini mentioned that they have overall about 2000 customers worldwide.
Doing some maths - she also said they had about 1100 orders for the Experia, with less than half of them been produced.
This leaves then about 1500 bikes of the Eva/Ego-platform out in the wild.

Best, Jens


« Last Edit: February 11, 2025, 03:48:10 AM by EvaMuc »
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Re: Good News?
« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2025, 03:59:23 AM »

If Livia quoted the number of units is should be accurate. The public Auction Documents from the trustee that has Energica's balance sheet from 2018 through 2023. (Doc 2_Relazione di stima ramo Energica e allegati - file to large to attached - but it is online). On page 7 the cost of goods are shown - you can divide the cost of goods over the years by a price you feel they sold each motorcycle at - they did not publish number of units but you have the cost - as a rough estimate if you use $20,000 per unit it works out to about 2,500 units produced (not sold) - but you can do your own math and determine the number of units you think were produced. Also it shows the 6 year period from 2018 through 2023 that they lost -47,622,306 Euros. It is all in the auction documents from the trustee. I got burned by Ideanomics - Energica was the best part of their portfolio so it is sad.
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Re: Good News?
« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2025, 02:43:56 PM »

The website is having issues, they are NOT shut down or out of business.
It's looking like some hosting issue bs.
I had this happen to my website a few weeks ago, some php bullshit got updated and it wasn't compatible with a few of my db's, so I had to roll back the version to get it back online because im too lazy/stupid to convert the tables over to the recent version.

anyways, it's a host issue NOT them going away afaik

aaron

I don't think you're right Aaron. Unfortunately. If a website is down for so long, my guess is it's over and out. As sad as it is.
Chris
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Specter

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Re: Good News?
« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2025, 03:56:09 AM »

I'll ask and see what I can find out.  When I asked earlier, they were not aware it was down.  Lets see if I can find anything.

aaron
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Re: Good News?
« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2025, 05:09:49 AM »

1 Millionen??
A handcrafted motorcycle... The numbers can't be right?!

In an interview with the German Motorrad magazine in October '24 Livia Cevolini mentioned that they have overall about 2000 customers worldwide.
Doing some maths - she also said they had about 1100 orders for the Experia, with less than half of them been produced.
This leaves then about 1500 bikes of the Eva/Ego-platform out in the wild.

Best, Jens

1milion is overkill, but 2500 sound very low amount
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