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[princec]

Well.... all of the above. Everybody who doesn't want an EV uses one or more of the above reasons as to why their use-case is a problem for them, and they are usually right. I bought an EV knowing that there is a percentage of my current use that it just can't realistically do, which is essentially the compromise I had to make.

Cas

[NEW2elec]

The good news is it's moving in the right direction.

I'm always in camp range.  If more EV riders were in a charge station desert like I am they wouldn't care about charge speed either.
Most of you all aren't so I get that it works for you.

Really both factors go hand in hand as higher capacity need faster charging just to keep it at the same current charge stop times.

As some have mentioned before, the industry needs to quote miles or kilometers per minute for their battery to station charge rate to get people used to thinking in the way of "how long do I need to stay here to get where I'm going".  Instead of the current gas station thinking of "fill it all the way up and go".

[Sklith]

That's why I bought a Tesla as my first EV, it was the safest choice by far. Owning an electric motorcycle is a struggle at times, especially when I want to go on longer rides to the mountains with my friends. It can be done, I just have to show up a half an hour early, and charge up at a DCFC station since thankfully there's one in Ellijay. But there's plenty of other spots where I'm simply unable to ride at the moment.

[NEW2elec]

Sklith, I can't remember who all on here is in GA.
I saw an Esse Esse 9 for sale on CT up in the Elijay area.  He was selling it when it hit 600 miles and ready for it's first service.

How has your Energica Ego ownership gone so far with no dealer in GA?  Do you use the FL or NC dealers if you need something?

[Sklith]

NEW2elec, I haven't had to have anything done to my bike outside the 600 mile service which Energica was fine with sending the supplies to my mechanic in Marietta. I know the company's looking to establish a base here but nothing concrete yet.

If there's something major or a firmware update that I have to have done, I'll load my bike up and take it to either Orlando or Charlotte. That's essentially what I did to buy it so it's ok to go on a 6ish hour drive once in a blue moon. In fact, I love road trips. Maybe next time I'll go down to panama city, and have a good time riding my bike by the beach.

[DonTom]

That's why I bought a Tesla as my first EV, it was the safest choice by far. Owning an electric motorcycle is a struggle at times, especially when I want to go on longer rides to the mountains with my friends. It can be done, I just have to show up a half an hour early, and charge up at a DCFC station since thankfully there's one in Ellijay. But there's plenty of other spots where I'm simply unable to ride at the moment.

Yeah, Tesla has both, the longest ranges and the best charging network. But they piss me off along with  anybody has fast charge stations without a 240 VAC outlet as well as J-1772 because that is what every EV can use. All these fast chargers probably all  have 240 VAC very close by, yet it is not available.


Places such as Lake Topaz (Tesla Superchargers only, right next to a restaurant and gas station where there is little doubt they have 240 VAC nearby) and Bridgeport, CA (CCS fast charging only, no J-1772, no 240 VAC outlet).


IMO, there should be a law that if they provide DCFC, they also need to provide 240 VAC in one way or another., at least where possible, which I assume is everywhere that they have DCFC.


The USA has a long ways to go, but it is improving.


-Don-  Reno, NV

[NEW2elec]

Thanks, maybe WOW or Blue Moon will pick them up.
That's one of the things that would be a deal breaker for my Damon reservation if they don't get enough interest to have a service agreement in GA.   

[Crissa]

Superchargers do have 240 in them, we just can't access it.  One connector to rule them all is great as long as you have access to the software that talks to it.

I think charging speed beats range for motorcycles.  Because we have the vast majority of trips already covered in range.  After an hour, you should get your butt off the seat and stretch.

-Crissa

[Sklith]

Thanks, maybe WOW or Blue Moon will pick them up.
That's one of the things that would be a deal breaker for my Damon reservation if they don't get enough interest to have a service agreement in GA.

I'm good friends with everyone at WOW for 15 years now, and my mechanic Craig works there. There's no way they're going to go with Energica any time soon since they feel like it might hurt their relationship they have with Zero. It's a shame.

Superchargers do have 240 in them, we just can't access it.

This isn't true at all. The superchargers are DC only.

[DonTom]

This isn't true at all. The superchargers are DC only.

I have never heard of a DC powerline, have you?


The norm is AC into a charger and DC out. That is what rectifiers do.


-Don-  Auburn, CA

[DonTom]

Superchargers do have 240 in them, we just can't access it.

As I mentioned before, I just want a simple 240 VAC outlet, no software BS, no pilot signals, etc. No limitations. I have used such for all four of my EVs and up to 8KW. All the BS in a J-1772 is unnecessary, IMO. Even my Tesla came with a 240 VAC plug adapter for a 14-50R. Who cannot use a 14-50R??   J-1772 is 2nd best as all EVs can use it also, but usually with a 6.6 KW limitation that a 14-50R outlet doesn't have. At least none that I have seen. 240 VAC times 50 amps=12,000 watts. I have yet to see a J1772 that can do 12KW (but old Tesla Wall Connectors can do even more than 12KW, 16 KW are common on the road). IMO, J-1772 is stupid standard with too much unnecessary BS, but it is MUCH better than nothing and I would like to see more of them, but i prefer a simple 240 VAC outlet, especially for my SR.

Notice this outlet here. I have charged all my bikes there and others have charged their Teslas (click "view more"). The next time I go there on my SR, I will be charging at 8KW.

The voltage of most  transmission lines in the USA  is 13,800 VAC . This voltage is then lowered to  480 volts for industrial use and 240 volts for commercial and residential customers. Then the transformer by your house gives you  240 VAC and the center tap (neutral) gives you 120 VAC.

Do you know for a fact that DC fast chargers have 240 VAC inside them?

Perhaps only 480 VAC RMS  which can easily be converted to well above the 480 VDC required after any  voltage  losses as that is around 680 VAC peak (480 times 1.414=678 volts peak).

But even if they do NOT have 240 VAC inside them, I assume such will be close by, as most DC fast chargers are close to business that normally do have 240 VAC--just as do our homes.

-Don-  Auburn, CA

[ultrarnr]

Sklith,

TPS in Raleigh sells both Zero and Energica. Have never heard them mention anything about Zero not liking it that they sell Energica's and having any issues getting support from Zero because they sell Energica's. I think your Zero dealer is just screwing themselves out of business since 90% of the Energica's that TPS sells are to riders who don't live in the Raleigh area.

[Sklith]

ultrarnr, I agree with you completely but ultimately it's up to them to decide what to do with their business. If they don't want to be an Energica dealer in GA, hopefully someone else will soon.

[Crissa]

Superchargers do have 240 in them, we just can't access it.

This isn't true at all. The superchargers are DC only.

No.  They have 240 in them for powering the cars in standby mode.

-Crissa

...And I'm not going to argue with Don and his 'but dumb outlets' idea.  The dumb outlets don't do anything that J1772 doesn't do.

[MVetter]

Getting into this late, but back on topic. I just read the Visordown interview and clearly Giampiero is just talking about EVs as a whole and the technical nature of fast charging. Micah over at Electrek has twisted this into something it's not. Again. And everyone else is running with his made up headline.