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[mdjak1]

Am I missing something?

What is it that you think you're missing?


There are a few places where I can charge above 7 KW, but very few and mostly are Tesla destination charge stations, but I am rarely at those locations.


But Verdi, NV  I am often in on the way to or from Auburn, and the restaurant there can do 10KW with 48-amp Tesla stations that are free to use. But those 48-amp stations are at 207 volts AC so even that is less than 10KW. And that is almost too close to be useful, as it is only 14 miles from here.


-Don-  Reno, NV

I guess I didn't filter for Tesla destination chargers with higher output where someone could use a Tesla to J1772 adapter.

And free chargers are nice no matter how close they are.   In fact, if they are close enough you can substitute them for home charging.   Up until about a week ago a major tech company within walking distance of my home that offered free level 2 and DCFC chargers that the public could access.   But last week they started charging 38 cents/kWh.   When they were free, the DCFC chargers were usually busy.   The level 2 less so.   But now when I drive by, their chargers are empty.   They are asking too much per kWh.   I'm not sure if they subsidize the fee or cut the rate for employees.   

[Electric_Adventures]

I’m curious, what do the surrounding paid DCFC cost?  $0.38/kWh is a lot for level 2 but for a DCFC that’s a pretty fair price.  Well within average pricing of companies like Electrify America and Tesla.

[mdjak1]

I’m curious, what do the surrounding paid DCFC cost?  $0.38/kWh is a lot for level 2 but for a DCFC that’s a pretty fair price.  Well within average pricing of companies like Electrify America and Tesla.

You are right about 38 cents/kWh being a normal rate for true high speed DCFC.   The local Tesla superchargers are 40 to 53 cents/kWh.  However, these DCFC chargers are only 50 kW rated.   So it isn't like they are really high speed. 

There is an 80 kW Chargepoint location nearby that cost:

Flat Fee
$0.50 / session

Energy Rate
All Days 12:00 AM - 02:00 PM $0.11/kWh
All Days 02:00 PM - 04:00 PM $0.14/kWh
All Days 04:00 PM - 09:00 PM $0.18/kWh
All Days 09:00 PM - 12:00 AM $0.14/kWh

Station Time Rate
First 3 hr 15m
$0.00 / hour
Thereafter
$5.00 / hour

[Electric_Adventures]

Sounds like the business is just trying to keep anyone traveling through from picking that location then.  Well within reason for a private business who’d rather have the charger available for employees and not the general public.  My company did something similar when there were still level 2 in the general parking lot next to the facility - employees had a supplemented cost of $0.08/kWh and everyone else was $0.30/kWh.  They did move all the chargers underground when our new badge access parking ramp opened a couple years ago. 

[mdjak1]

Sounds like the business is just trying to keep anyone traveling through from picking that location then.  Well within reason for a private business who’d rather have the charger available for employees and not the general public.  My company did something similar when there were still level 2 in the general parking lot next to the facility - employees had a supplemented cost of $0.08/kWh and everyone else was $0.30/kWh.  They did move all the chargers underground when our new badge access parking ramp opened a couple years ago.

The business is actually quite a major international tech company.   The CEO was prominently at the Presidential Inauguration yesterday.   They have porters in their employee parking lots to shuffle employee cars on and off of chargers which effectively keeps the public out of most of the lots during business hours.   On the Chargepoint app, there was always a notation about the chargers being reserved for employees 7AM to 7PM.   Last time I was by, there didn't appear to be any porters shuffling cars.  I don't know if they are supplementing the cost for employees.  There are chargers that can't be accessed by the public and those are also noted to be 38 cents/kWh.   

[Electric_Adventures]

Most unfortunate for the employees who got used to that perk then

I love having cheap charging at work.  I try not to abuse it but it is less expensive than pretty much any other option I have right now, including my home charging which is $0.14/kWh.  I wouldn’t be able to commute on my motorcycle to work without it either -  no way I’m stopping for a 1 hr charging break on a commute. 

[Grauteufel]

I would feel less guilty charging at work if it was cheap, but it’s free here. Makes me feel like I’m stealing from the people that have to pay to fuel up a couple times a week. Having said that, most places that have DC and AC charging, the AC is free, and DCFC is….60c/kwh. Almost as pricey as petrol.

[hotsauce]

I would feel less guilty charging at work if it was cheap, but it’s free here. Makes me feel like I’m stealing from the people that have to pay to fuel up a couple times a week. Having said that, most places that have DC and AC charging, the AC is free, and DCFC is….60c/kwh. Almost as pricey as petrol.

That price for DCFC is becoming the norm on the east coast from what I'm seeing

[Richard230]

I have a longtime friend who retired from the KGO radio station in San Francisco a few years ago (before they got out of the all-news talk-show business). He told me that about 10 years ago the company installed three L2 chargers in their gated parking garage in downtown SF. For a couple of years after the chargers were installed they were free to use (first come, first served) and were occupied almost every day by the station's employees who owned EVs. Then the station started to cut operating costs and reverted to making users pay to use the chargers. Once they started doing that, the chargers were never used again and a year later they were removed. And so it goes.....