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Author Topic: Ever run out of juice and get stuck?  (Read 2384 times)

DonTom

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Re: Ever run out of juice and get stuck?
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2021, 12:30:46 PM »

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The drag from regen doesn't stop just because you've dropped below 15mph.

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The drag is there at any speed on a Zero,  even if Regen is turned off (to zero percent). But there is no regen at all below 10 MPH. There is some at 15 MPH, unless your older bike is different. Zeros do not coast  well at  all, regardless of no regen.


BTW, Energica coasts very well with regen off, unlike with Zeros. But you're not going to walk it up a hill anyway. Too heavy.


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Re: Ever run out of juice and get stuck?
« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2021, 01:32:10 PM »

The drag can vary on a Zero, and whatever drag it had will remain when it powerfaults.

That drag is from the magnetic fields interacting.  Aka, regen.  Below a certain speed and mass, this doesn't produce enough current to charge the battery.

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Re: Ever run out of juice and get stuck?
« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2021, 02:37:03 PM »

Anybody here ever run out of juice? Such as make it to a charge station that is not Energica compatible or just  crapped out and don't have enough juice to get to any other? Or from conditions (headwind, cold, too much uphill, etc.) where you could not quite make the distance and is  too far to walk with the bike?


Fortunately not. Last time was quite close, where I arrived with 7% on the first charger that was occupied (with a freshly plugged in EQS), 5% on the second one that was closed and 3% at a free charger in front of a Lidl supermarket that finally worked. I was already going through my options there in my mind...
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Re: Ever run out of juice and get stuck?
« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2021, 05:29:18 PM »

CCS doesn't half seem unreliable... a quick google on the subject is quite telling.

Cas :)
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Re: Ever run out of juice and get stuck?
« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2021, 09:25:58 PM »

The drag can vary on a Zero, and whatever drag it had will remain when it powerfaults.

That drag is from the magnetic fields interacting.  Aka, regen.  Below a certain speed and mass, this doesn't produce enough current to charge the battery.

-Crissa
IOW, you're saying you have regen when there is no regeneration at all to the battery. IOW, regen can be  no regen at all  :) .


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Re: Ever run out of juice and get stuck?
« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2021, 09:50:43 PM »

CCS doesn't half seem unreliable... a quick google on the subject is quite telling.

Cas :)
Based on my own experience, I would say CCS is somewhat unreliable. J-1772 is MUCH more reliable because it's simple. A 14-50R outlet is even more reliable because it is more simple than J-1772.


But some CCS  charge stations are more reliable than others. I find CCS  ChargePoints to be the most reliable, which includes those at the HD dealers. I have yet to see a Changepoint NOT work. The CCS that did not work in Silver Springs, NV were EV-Connect. The ones that I could not get to  work in Elk Grove, CA  were Electrify America and GreenLots.


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Re: Ever run out of juice and get stuck?
« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2021, 10:40:18 PM »

I think the biggest problem with the big DC non-Tesla stations is that they all feature some kind of touchscreen and payment system. IMO this is very prone to errors.

Tesla SuC has no display and just recognises the vehicle...
Well I have seen SuC be out of service but that is always just a few stalls. The other 8-16 stalls or more work so most are never bothered. The other brand DC chargers often stand alone with maximum 2 outlets. When this is out of service it affect many!
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