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[ms_smart]

Range estimate is important. The issue is, that Energica (as well as Zero) are very poor estimating it. Energica calculates range based on consumption of the last couple of km. If this is 2 km downhill you get a range of 500km. This does not make sense since there is no 500km downhill road on this planet. Same is true if you are 2km uphill and the range is calculated on a 200 wh/km range.  Guess what: It gets downhill once you are at the top of the hill. I have done my own estimate reading data from OBD2. I take average consumption of the day as well as long term average in calculation and I find it very accurate. By no means rocket science.

[princec]

There are various algorithms one could use ... but it does strike me that as a company that literally has all the actual data they could come up with an algorithm that makes more people happy more of the time ...

Cas

[Specter]

if you ride the same route every day, the same way, same speed, same conditions, then your range is highly predictable,  if you do not follow a cookie cutter route then your range varies.

funny how you can fill up your gas car and it can say, you got 432 miles of range left on this tank of gas, yet nobody whines and cries when that doesn't match up by the mile.  which it seldom does, but nobody seems to care.

Aaron

[Grauteufel]

Range estimates work, ABRP is consistently within 1% for the wife’s bike. They’ve only just added the experia (I was using the ss9 as the setting). I don’t know what it’s like in the US, but charging infrastructure isn’t exactly dense, so an electric bike does mean your spontaneous country rides must have an element of planning to ensure you don’t end up stuck somewhere. I rely on keeping the location of chargers in my head and eliminating them as the bikes range decreases.

[jotjotde]

Range estimates work, ABRP is consistently within 1% for the wife’s bike. They’ve only just added the experia (I was using the ss9 as the setting). I don’t know what it’s like in the US, but charging infrastructure isn’t exactly dense, so an electric bike does mean your spontaneous country rides must have an element of planning to ensure you don’t end up stuck somewhere. I rely on keeping the location of chargers in my head and eliminating them as the bikes range decreases.

Totally agree!
Why can ABRP do that? Because you told the algorithm your route and it can factor in out uphill/downhill consumptions.
How should the bike know where you are going? Mister Mark and apparently a lot more people do no grasp this.

Consider a bit of range anxiety as part of the fun 
Once when I was travelling in the north (flat topography) I omitted thinking about the strong headwind I encountered.
Rolled up to the charger with only a few %SOC instead of a comfortable 20 only to find it out of order.
If I had used ABRP I could have seen the difference between the calculated SOC and the real number and could have acted accordingly. IDK if there is an APP available that is doing that.

[Grauteufel]

If you are Mr Moneybags, ABRP has live directions, weather, traffic and guidance. If you set your SOC in the app when you start, it can track your ride and give you alerts when you get out of range of chargers.

[Specter]

in the us, chargers are denser around cities, sparse in the sticks.  Elon is doing a fantastic job of getting his charging network built up so that there are no 'charge deserts', but your vehicle has to be able to use his network.  Fortunately mine does and it's opened up to many others now as well.

in order to plot by terrain it'd have to know where you are, so add more gadgetry telemetry, $$$ to the cost of your bike. now lets throw in weather, now lets throw in live traffic feeds.  waahhh my bike cost 6k more, waaahhh    
Traffic jams, accidents, construction delays and detours, oh its 99 degrees out let me hump that AC, there goes some kw's there in a car/truck.
how much does your fat ass weigh?  that factors in too, what kind of wind drag are your arm flabs going to cause when they are flapping in the breeze at 70 mph, .vs. a racing posture?  that eats power.  speaking of temperature if it's 40 degrees out, that eats your battery capacity.

how old is your battery, when IS the last time you did a full swing calibration so the bms can see the actual capacity .vs. what it thinks its supposed to be?

it's not quite as easy as, oh they have all the data they just don't want to give it to us.,

when you go on an ice trip do you consistently run your fuel tank down until the needle is below the E and you can see space between them or do you fill up a bit sooner?  Well my silverado says i have 420 miles until next fillup, albequirky is 412 miles away so I should be fine.  C'mon honey load all 8 passengers up and lets get going!

aaron

[Stonewolf]

I just logged my mileage and SoC for a bit when I got my bike new and came up with 115 miles from 100%, 93 miles from 80%, and 70 miles from 60% and usually I just use those as rules of thumb, going charger to charger and looking on a charger app to find the next one in whatever direction I'm going. I never use ABRP or whatever because it'll only ever give me boring routes and that's not why I ride.