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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: MBB Firmware V39
« on: February 01, 2025, 09:16:53 PM »
Made a check with the Next Gen app yesterday and the MBB version 41 is ready to download. I am awaiting the details before upgrading. My SR/S is actually at MBB MBB V39, BMU V17. If anyone has more info, let us know. Thanks

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Sudden power loss on a SR/S 2020
« on: June 28, 2023, 03:52:09 AM »
I wiil gladly try to respond to your question.

1) Do you know for sure this drag was not present previously?
    This bike was gliding. I was city riding, many stops and go, over 200 km autonomy, no suspect sound, no warning signs at all.

2) Have you verified its the rear wheel and not the front?
    Once back at my garage, I lifted the rear wheel and you could feel the resistance but only after 1 turn approximately. As if the motor try to apply regen even if the the key is off. The front was free running about a week ago when I lifted the front wheel.

3) Are the tires inflated properly?
    Checked weekly the pressure and all was right last time (36 psi)

4) Is a brake dragging?
    Not at all.

5) is the belt tensioned properly?
   Was also checked with Gator app and measured 65hz average.

6) If you establish its the rear, have you tried removing the belt to see if its the motor or the wheel.
    I did not,
This is really a sudden power loss with no signs of dragging. The minute before the bike was taking speed normally and after a traffic light turning green , I smoothly twisted the throttle and may be 100m later, power was lost, error 9 (motor controler fault ) popped out on the dash. Error 31 and 34  also appeared later (Battery Module Ineligible and Battery Module Connection Retries Fault).

The bike is at the dealer and I should have some feedback next week. I will keep you posted.

Thanks again

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Sudden power loss on a SR/S 2020
« on: June 24, 2023, 05:16:38 PM »
 
The bike is now in my garage after being towed. I have an appointment with my dealer early July. Here are other observations that I noticed: the red battery icon in the dash is ON meaning that the 12 volt battery is faulty (it is not, I measured closed to 13v and I can communicate with the bike with my app)) or it is the DC-DC converter. I also have error code 31 and 34 (Battery Module Ineligible and Battery Module Connection Retries Fault).
As I said, I don't hear the contactor when I turn the key ON.  The weirdest thing is the resistance when I try to turn the rear wheel. I takes more effort to move the bike around. The very first error that I had at the dash was error 9 (motor controler fault).

I am still wondering why an electronic problem could have an impact on the motor and its normal rotation (rotates OK, no suspect sound from the bearings but this resistance..) . Is the fact that the power pack and its contactor does not turn ON  (according to the errors,) would prevent the motor to turn freely? Yeah, many questions and I just hope to have an answer soon (from Zero and the dealer).

Thanks to all for your input.




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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Sudden power loss on a SR/S 2020
« on: June 23, 2023, 07:08:14 AM »
Cruising at a lazy speed in the city, many stops and go, bike running smoothly, excellent mileage (4kw/100) range of over 200km, battery at 90% (charged at 100 % in the morning and wait until the charger stops). Wait at a traffic light, turned green, smooth acceleration and bang!! total loss of power with error code #9 displayed at the dash (motor controler error). Twist the throttle, no power at all. Had to push the bike in the next parking. Noticed strong resistance rolling the bike as if the motor bearings had partially ceased.
I still can turn on the dash and does not hear anymore the contactor clic.

I know it is hard to pinpoint the cause of this problem with this limited info, but do you think a sudden motor bearing failure would have caused the motor controler to fail and consequently this loss of power.

BTW: all firmware up to date, new dash firmware and reverse option added. 12,000 km and no problem whatsoever.

Thanks for your input.

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Thanks very much ms_smart. I will report back once I have made my OBD2 adapter.

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I do have an SR/S 2020 . I just ordered the Parking mode and it is working well. As for the 10% Fast charge option, it is grey out (Extended charging range) in the Dash menu of the bike.   I am not aware of the actual charger firmware version, the dealer couldn't confirm to me if they updated the charger firmware. Does that mean that I can order the option as well?

Thanks

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Zero Next Gen App v2.2.6
« on: July 22, 2022, 08:48:53 PM »
Just a note of hope for you.
I did have the exact same symptoms when I tried to update mine from V21 to V23. The display was frozen, turnig the key off and On did nothing and I had to disconnect the 12 v battery as well. I trailered it to the dealer and they were able to restart the bike by disconnecting the MBB (2 plugs) and resetting the BMS. They reloaded the firmware (V23) and everything returned to normal.
Lessons learned: I will wait for the new update and probably booked an appointment with the dealer for them to perform the update as it is done free of charge according to a recent note form Zero.
My bike is running perfectly well actually and there is still no detail about the most recent firmware version (MBB V24, BMS V.20)

Good luck


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I am back from the dealer in Montreal area with a bike fully functionnal. Thanks to the expertise of the technical staff, he was able to restart the MBB, reset the BMS and load the latest V23 firmware. I still don't have an answer as to why the firmware upgrade I did myself turned out to be a total failure. I did myself the upgrade from V19 to V21 without any problems. Lessons learned, I will now book an appointment with my dealer for every future firmware upgrade. Furthermore, those upgrades are free of charge for the life of your bike according to a recent note from Zero.  I am not saying, don't do it yourself, but if you are at a reasonnable distance from a dealer, I think that it is the best option.

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Thanks Morpheus74
I am crossing my fingers that it is only a matter of uploading again the firmware with the computer hooked to the OBDII port. I have an appointment with the dealer this Thursday. I will keep you posted of the results.

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I am analyzing my options as to what reasons my bike (SR/S) got bricked following a firmware update (V23). Actually, turning the key ON-OFF does nothing. The display is frozen and no bluetooth link is possible. I can only turn Off the display by disconnecting the 12v battery, Do you think a BMS reset (board behind the front wheel) would bring the bike back to life? I can't imagine having to replace any components following a simple software update...The bike was running perfectly well before.

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I did not receive notifications on the dash. Only after checked the firmware update menu in the app, that I proceeded with the update over wifi with the very bad outcome that I described earler in this thread. BTW, I have an appointment with my dealer next Thursday and I will keep you posted on the diagnostics. Current state is the dash can only be shut-off if I disconnect the 12v battery with all readings reset to 0. Turning the key on and off does nothing. MBB seems to be completely dead or software corrupted.

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karl
What you described is exactly what I have. Can you tell me if the repair took a long time? Was the MBB board quickly delivered to the dealer from Zero?

Thanks

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karlh

When you say the odometer had to be reset by the dealer, you mean to the last reading or 0? I am still wondering why a simple firmware update would render the MBB useless. The bike was running perfectly well before. Maybe, I should have resisted starting the update. All perequisites were met and I never suspected this kind of result. Over the winter, I did the upgrade from V19 to V21 without any problems. The bike is still under warranty but I am afraid it will take some time before it is fixed. My dealer is 260Km away, so a trip with the trailer is required....arrrh.

I appreciate all your inputs or ideas.

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Oh BTW, the odometer has returned to 0, yes 0 km. Like a brand new bike. The display is still ON (unless I disconnect the 12v battery) and the key on-off does nothing.  Is this bike bricked?? I am totally confused.

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Hi. I did a firmware update check on the Next Gen app for my 2020 SR/S and yes, there was an update available for the MBB V23. I started the process and everything went smoothly and the firmware loaded up until the end (progress bar fully completed). I heard a click in the bike and then nothing for a long time (closed to 30 minutes.) I decided to turn the key OFF and it did nothing.. stayed ON!!. Turned the key On and OFF, no response, The display is frozen and I do not hear the contactor. Disconnected the 12 v Battery, the display turned OFF but as soon I reconnect the battery, the display turned ON with SOC to 0% ( it was at 58% when I started the update). Again, nothing happens if I turn the key ON.
Is this a case for a service call or is there something I can do to reset to normal?
Thanks in advance

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