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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Questions to SRF owners
« on: August 20, 2019, 02:59:29 PM »
I got a 1000€ discount on MSRP (22690) in germany and my dealer does the first service with motor calibration for free. No additional shipping costs.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: SR/F observations and questions
« on: June 25, 2019, 01:26:04 AM »
Glad i could help. You can probably do it with the wall-leaning if you want to save money on the choke. I had the same problem on a demo i tried (similar to your weight) and it felt like a new bike after adjusting the suspension. Keep us informed how it behaves after you set it up for your weight and riding style.  I have not ridden showa-suspension yet but since it is adjustable it should do the job for most riders.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: SR/F observations and questions
« on: June 24, 2019, 10:11:38 PM »
Hard to tell what the factory settings are when so few ppl have their bike, but suspension is one of the most important things to set up properly on your bike. Stability can be an issue if set up wrong, but it also depends a lot on what you do with the bike and how your roads are. Gotta love those reviews complaining about suspension being too hard/soft when they have not even touched adjustment. A lot of bikes are set up for heavier passengers, there are some helpful videos on how to do it on youtube, if you don't feel save about doing it by yourself go to a local motorcycle dealer and get it set up for you.
Here's a short clip of the basics:

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: SR/F complaints
« on: June 07, 2019, 01:56:09 AM »
Quote from: MrBlc on June 07, 2019, 01:27:18 AM
@ermagherd That's a 400V system.. If it's secured with 50A you would indeed be able to use a 22kW charger. (as that is 32A at max)

Thanks for clearing that up, pretty much every house has those in the basement in germany.
Let's get back to topic: SR/F complaints


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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: SR/F complaints
« on: June 07, 2019, 01:07:59 AM »
Quote from: MrBlc on June 07, 2019, 12:35:08 AM
Well.. i AM an electrician, and that link is just for the charging station..
(one that can ONLY be installed on a 400V system)
So.. it would still need the transformer in addition..

Also.. That site doesn't carry transformers..

Just to make sure we're in sync in regards to technical terms...
Looking at the supply system in the mains cabinet in your house, does the main fuse have 2, 3 or 4 breakers connected through the same switch?

Example 2 phase:
https://www.hager.de/ecatimages/detail/CDA240D.jpg

Example 4 phase:
https://www.hager.de/ecatimages/detail/CPA440D.jpg


Here's a picture from what i can see, don't really understand what you mean exactly, I'm not an expert.
But since i already had an electrician here that made me an offer i know that i don't need any additional transformer etc., just some cables and a fi-protection switch plus higher fuses depending on my wallbox.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: SR/F complaints
« on: June 07, 2019, 12:00:41 AM »
Quote from: MrBlc on June 06, 2019, 11:22:08 PM
Considering a 230V to 400V transformer cost several thousand € everywhere else, i would very much like to see a link to that package..

There you go (german link), 11kw with 3 phase 400v:
https://shop.easy.e-regio.de/article-details/ArticleId/45?gclid=CNLJw8q21eICFZDndwodgXQK9Qeurope

The 400v is between the phases, each phase only is 230v compared to ground. I'm not an electrician, search for "400V Drehstrom" if you want to understand.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: SR/F complaints
« on: June 06, 2019, 08:27:12 PM »
Quote from: MrBlc on June 06, 2019, 05:44:16 PM
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I have 3x50A in the basement (which you can upgrade) so you could easily install a wall charger with 11 or 22kw

This is not quite correct.. if you were to convert that 230v/3phased/50A input to a 22 kW charger circuit, disregarding transformerloss, you'd need 55,43A/phase..

So, for 11 kW, yes.. but again, due to how the chargers are set up on the bike, this is in no way a good solution as the transformer to convert it is expensive and you'd still only utilize 2 of those 3 phases unless you get the premium model as well as the additional chargetank option.

That is why i said you can easily upgrade the fuse which you usually do when installing a wallbox since you also need permission from your electricity company. Ofc the 22kw would be stupid for a zero but not for most electric cars so if you plan on getting one soon rather get a 22kw wallbox for a few bucks more and be good for the next years. And i disagree about the price, i can get a 11kw wallbox with fuse, transformer, mennekes cable and rfid card for 500€, which is cheaper than the stupid 2-3kw charging cable that zero wants to sell you for the eu bikes.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: SR/F complaints
« on: June 06, 2019, 05:13:12 PM »
Quote from: DonTom on June 06, 2019, 12:39:28 AM
Quote from: Ermahgerd on June 06, 2019, 12:17:33 AM
He is probably referring to the different phases that the chargers use. Eg you could have a 230V charging station that can do 32 amps on one phase, which is over 7kw but your zero can only use the 3 kw from the first charger. Not sure about the US but where i live most stations can deliver at least 11 or 22kw (3 phase, 400V).
You must live in Europe somewhere.

BTW, have you heard of some type of external Zero quick-charger that is several thousand watts? I saw a link to it somewhere, but I am now not sure where. Perhaps requires 3-phase 240 VAC for max output.  Whatever it is, it's not available here in the USA.

BTW, is your normal house current there 3-phase?  Here it's all single phase.


-Don-  Reno, NV

Yes, I live in germany. Normal outlets only have 1 phase 230V but most houses have a 3 phase cable coming in the junction box. Haven't heard of that quick-charger, but you could get a CSS outlet or any type of outlet/wallbox that runs 3 phases from the junction box, normal outlets usually deliver only 10 Amps (16 max) @230V. I have 3x50A in the basement (which you can upgrade) so you could easily install a wall charger with 11 or 22kw - if my landlord let me :(

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: SR/F complaints
« on: June 06, 2019, 12:17:33 AM »
Quote from: DonTom on June 05, 2019, 09:22:33 PM
Quote from: chrisho on June 05, 2019, 08:35:32 PM
and if the 6kWh charging really is just 2x3kWh then what is the point of that setup?
Why is that an issue? It's still 6 KWs. Why care how they get up to the six KW?

-Don-  Reno, NV

He is probably referring to the different phases that the chargers use. Eg you could have a 230V charging station that can do 32 amps on one phase, which is over 7kw but your zero can only use the 3 kw from the first charger. Not sure about the US but where i live most stations can deliver at least 11 or 22kw (3 phase, 400V).

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Charging Cables for the SRF - Not included?!?
« on: June 01, 2019, 03:21:37 PM »
The german plug (Schuko / Type F) is not included. Zero says on the homepage under data section that you need an optional cable for charging at home. That cable costs 520€. Sounds stupid that some regions get free plugs and others don’t...
Any EU dealers that can put some light into that?

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Zero SR-F Order thread
« on: May 29, 2019, 08:38:18 PM »
Update:
My dealer just told me that my SR/F should arrive here in 2nd week of June. I ordered A red premium SR/F on April 1st in germany.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Decided Not to Get the SR/F
« on: May 12, 2019, 05:43:44 PM »
As for realistic values you will probably have to wait for the first customer bikes or ask a dealer that tested that in one go. Best thing would be to do a test drive and pick the commuting route. The pre-production and probably the early firmwares are most likely not as efficient as later versions, so most likely there's less range. But considering it has the same battery as the SR 14.4 but is heavier and has more power, i would aim for something just below the SR range in similar conditions. Range claims on the homepage are also slightly under the claims for the SR 14.4. So theoretically it should be possible but will depend a lot on speed and riding style.
If you want to rely on it under every condition you should probably look for something else or consider the charge tank upgrade.
The louder belt noise should be normal since it is a wider belt (20mm). Also you have a bigger and stronger motor and bigger tires, there's also noise coming from those...

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Zero SR-F Order thread
« on: May 11, 2019, 01:56:22 AM »
Theres news for european market from this video (in german)

The Zero manager, cool guy, i met him in person when i tested the SR early this year, claims that 2nd half of may the dealer bikes arrive in EU and shortly after (end of May, early June) the first customer bikes will arrive.
Lets hope he is correct and we can ride the bike in a few weeks :)

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: First SR/F hands-on video review
« on: May 10, 2019, 12:35:58 AM »
That review is quite poorly prepared. A lot of mistakes in it, apparently the premium version has more range than standard and that you get a 4k government grant (which you get here for some electric cars, but not zero).

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Zero SR-F Order thread
« on: May 05, 2019, 01:08:31 PM »
My dealer comfirmation shows it costs them 434,35 € for shipping it to the dealer (germany). I could only get him to agree on a 1k discount on the bike + they would pay for shipping and do the 1st inspection. Apparently their margins are much lower on Zero bikes than on most other brands.

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