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Range on a pedelec is limited by the human, not the battery. Especially on an EU legal one which cuts the motor assistance above about 15mph which isn't too hard to achieve on flat ground with just pedal power.
Have you tried pedaling something this heavy without any support? I think you will realize that you are quickly limited by an empty battery  :)

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BMW seems intent on introducing honestly bizarre prototypes.

https://electrek.co/2021/09/06/bmw-unveils-high-speed-electric-bicycle-with-300-km-of-range-plus-an-electric-motorcycle/

A 600-mile range e-bicycle and a 37mph top-speed motorcycle.  Both of course in their weird zebra livery and with no storage or faring.

300km would translate to 180 miles. Since it is a pedelec this means that the range can only be achieved by pedaling.

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I second that! I don't own a Zero but I still like a medium amount of regen. I'm also coming from riding 4 cylinders, so I like the feeling it emulates. Maybe people who don't like that never rode ICE bikes?

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Rapidgate on SR/S (12 KW charger)
« on: August 23, 2021, 07:32:46 PM »
https://www.electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=11345.0 is reporting something similar, though 2 times at the same charging station (reduced charging to 6kW at temperatures at or above 30C).

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General Discussion / Re: Non-Tesla EV cages
« on: July 31, 2021, 10:57:37 PM »
Thanks for that info. Isn't the Leaf CHAdeMo? How do you home charge with a vehicle that has CHAdeMo? I really know nothing about ChAdeMO.
It just has a second charge port next to the chademo, Type2 in Europe, Type1 in US, so you charge it from AC as usual.

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No, I like the BB quite a bit better than any other method I have tried. It often gets used as a hill hold at a red light on a hill and other such stuff that would be difficult to do with a cable tie.
I like to do that with the foot brake (actually, the only time I'm using it :) )

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Energica / Re: Regen and CC user interface while riding..?
« on: July 24, 2021, 04:37:01 PM »
As someone coming from ICE bikes, I'd like to see a "gear selector" like switch for the left foot where I can increase or decrease regen, much like shifting down before a tight corner. I guess it must be patented if no one tried to do this so far :)

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Tech Help / Re: Problems on throttle and motors
« on: July 21, 2021, 06:42:40 PM »
Are the 5V for the throttle provided by battery 1? The throttle input might be undefined as long as the 5V are not provided. What happens if you power on both batteries/controllers?

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Energica / Re: Regen and CC user interface while riding..?
« on: July 20, 2021, 06:20:44 PM »
I don't double-click to confirm shifting down in the Mazda or Ducati.  The chorded shift is enough safety, and even that seems like too much for regen.  I have my Zero set so I can turn regen up with a slight press of a forefinger if I want to really slow down or add a thumpress if I need a little more.  And even that isn't ideal, since Zero locks out the mode key while maintaining speed.

That's what I was talking about. You don't have to do any of this on an Energica to get the same effect. Just close the throttle a bit more  :)

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Energica / Re: Regen and CC user interface while riding..?
« on: July 20, 2021, 12:27:30 PM »
It still sounds terrible.  How many button toggles in toto?
It isn't too bad to get used to it. And then you don't have to change it as much as on a Zero because you can dial the regen continuously with the twist of your wrist. I leave it in medium mode most of the time.

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Energica / Re: Going to try a Ribelle - So excited!!
« on: July 18, 2021, 08:40:55 PM »
It's even an RS model - not that I will be able to notice the difference since I never ridden an Energica before. Will start in ECCO mode for sure.

When I picked up my bike I've asked my dealer if he thinks I should put in in ECO first. He just told me: "Nah, leave it in sport". Which is what I did ever since  :)

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: New SR/S - some observations
« on: June 29, 2021, 05:41:27 PM »
Regen provides such miniscule charge that it's practically worthless. I would turn it off and let go of the throttle little bit earlier to slow down.
Depends on what you want from it. I agree that it's not really extending your range, I like it as a "third" brake and I'm used to engine braking from my ICE bike.

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Energica / Re: EGO mid 2017... Traction or not?
« on: June 15, 2021, 11:29:17 AM »
Surly it's just anecdotal, but you can charge a SS9+ with 24kW at up to 80% if the weather is cooler and you don't start from empty but from 25%. I've also made similar experiences to ultranr when charging on a hot day from 5-10%.

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Electric Motorcycle News / Re: Alrendo motorcycles TS Bravo
« on: June 13, 2021, 12:31:18 PM »

I don't really know if they will close the loophole or if they'd even be able to. One problem is what happens with all the bikes that are already on the road, will an A1 licence holder still be able to ride them? Will another A1 holder be able to ride the same bike if they buy it used? Will it depend on when the rider got their licence (before or after the change to the legislation)?

The second problem is there's a reason why electric bikes are rated on continuous power and not peak, they can't hold peak power for an extended period like a gas bike can. The real issue is the way in which continuous output is defined, assuming my understanding of it is correct. Instead it should be based on the absolute maximum that the motor can sustain for a certain period of time before it overheats and has to reduce power. However this is a hard thing to test and would require a bit of trial and error, plus it would depend on environmental factors.

To the first issue, this has happened in the past several times and once registered, the bike is only bound by the legislation at the time of registration. Otherwise my ICE bike wouldn't pass the emissions test.

To your second point: Not all bikes can do it, but Energicas can due to oil cooling  8) Your proposed definition is the actual definition of continuous power: 2.4 of https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:42006X1124(03)

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This is neither here nor there to the original problem BUT:  11kw??  I thought the S (in Europe) was either 7.2 or 14.4?
11kW refers to the motor power, not the battery capacity (which would be in kWh).

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