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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Motor Replacement time?
« on: May 07, 2020, 09:19:26 AM »
AFAIK, it's IPM. Thought all 2017s and beyond where IPM

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Motor Replacement time?
« on: May 07, 2020, 02:13:31 AM »
I agree with nnelson65 that the motor needs to re-commissioned. The motor at 30K is probably just fine including windings and bearings. If the angle sensor (encoder) is out of whack it could explain the jerky start and reduced range. I'm making all this stuff up.

You're making all this stuff up? o.0 Whaaa?

Anyway, I've scheduled an appointment next week with another dealer to have the motor recommissioned.   I'll report back.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Motor Replacement time?
« on: May 07, 2020, 12:09:12 AM »
Haven't ridden in 2 days.  30°F spread between the motor temp and other sensors.  Perhaps the sensor got cooked along with the motor.

I'm inclined to meter out the motor.  I'd just need to find a garage in which to do it.  I live in an apartment and the parking lot is less than ideal.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Motor Replacement time?
« on: May 06, 2020, 05:50:58 PM »
A 60 degree spread between what the motor says and what my thermometer says? That's a big gap. I'd spot you 10 or 20 degrees, but 60? Especially at 45mph with moderate acceleration.

I've never seen motor temps this high. Did Zero update their firmware that inflates motor temps in a half 'backside" way to protect the motor?  so? I keep coming back to the idea that my motor is cooked. Maybe Zero found out motors were cooking and added a multiplier to the temp readings to put bikes into thermal limit sooner.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Motor Replacement time?
« on: May 06, 2020, 05:42:30 PM »
When you say the motor is not the same... do you mean power? torque? max speed?

Power seems to be down, range seems to have taken a hit, especially highway range!  I used to be able to go 80 miles at 70 mph. The other day, I barely made 50 before my battery read 00 and I had to find a charging station.

And that jerky start is really concerning.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Motor Replacement time?
« on: May 06, 2020, 05:48:05 AM »
2017 SR

You may recall my post from January about the dealer replacing the Motor Controller ($2k) and performing a motor commissioning.  The bike never was back to the way it was, but the thermal issues aren't nearly as bad as they are now.  (Motor temp was showing to be above 255°F and it was being put into Phase I thermal protection.  Now, it's showing ~170°F on a warm day, even though actual motor temp isn't anywhere close to that).

Other symptoms include a jerkiness when I start moving from a stop. 

Anyway, I'm wondering if some of the motor windings have been damaged and have shorted to each other.  I have over 30k miles on it.. and let's just say I've been extremely fond of the incredible power the thing has been able to produce (read: I usually gun it whenever my light turns green  ;D)  So, I'm now sheepishly paying for said fun.

Thoughts?  Recapping-
-Motor temp reads far higher than actual - I had a laser thermometer on it one day when it was 40° out and motor was 80°, dash was showing 150°ish IIRC
-Jerkiness when I start moving from a stop.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: 2017 SR needs new motor controller
« on: February 14, 2020, 12:27:41 AM »
Got it back today. Motor temp on dash reads higher than actual temp (started out 10° above ambient temp on start up and settled at 140°F once it got up to temperature. I have a laser thermometer and will check it next time I ride to compare to what the dash is telling me. Off hand, I suspect there is no way it's 140°. 

Dealer said Zero reviewed the logs and said the dash is defective (they don't see in the logs the temps the dash is reporting).   However, my app is showing the temp my dash is showing. (Blowing smoke, anyone?) Anyway, happy to have it back. Nice cool 50° day and I hope the bike doesnt go into thermal protection on a 90° day   I'll attach a picture of the motor controller once I get home and resize it to under 600k

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: 2017 SR needs new motor controller
« on: January 26, 2020, 08:00:13 PM »
Update- new controller was installed and it allowed the dealer to commission the motor, but the motor temps are still all over the place and the dealer can't figure it out without calling Zero and they're closed on weekends.

Going on a month with the bike and taking the bus to work really sucks. I need my motorcycle. ICE bikes are gaining more appeal day by day.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: 2017 SR needs new motor controller
« on: January 16, 2020, 01:24:35 AM »
Thanks. For $325, I'll just have the dealer worry about the labor 😅
$1500 in parts is hard to swallow... but beats having the thing catch fire

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: 2017 SR needs new motor controller
« on: January 15, 2020, 10:59:03 PM »
Yeah, I guess I'll keep it. Still mad, but after having a chance to sleep on it, I came to the realization that after 27k miles and beating the p*** out of it (gunning it everytime a light turned green), I was just asking too much from it. God, it's a fun motorcycle. But, you can't expect them to hold up at top performance without something breaking eventually. Something had to give. Maybe I should have expected it, given the benefit of hindsight. Maybe someone can learn something from my expensive mistake. Take it easy with the right hand grip ;)

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: 2017 SR needs new motor controller
« on: January 15, 2020, 10:42:15 PM »
Any idea what it takes to replace this? Wondering if it's in the purview of DIY. The unofficial manual is silent on it.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: 2017 SR needs new motor controller
« on: January 15, 2020, 02:59:03 AM »
Sensor was my first suspect. Dealer says it only needs a motor controller, according to their conversation with Zero.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: 2017 SR needs new motor controller
« on: January 15, 2020, 12:59:05 AM »
I can't imagine the bike is worth much, especially with a bad controller. But even in top condition, maybe $9k? As is, $7k? I could probably get that out of the parts

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / 2017 SR needs new motor controller
« on: January 15, 2020, 12:48:52 AM »
Mostly I'm posting to vent. Who knows. Maybe others have experienced this and can offer insight. My 2017 SR has been diagnosed as having a defective motor controller. It started going into thermal protection when it was 40* outside. 1st stage thermal protection shouldn't kick in until the motor reaches 255*. I put my hand over the motor and it feels maybe 80*? Dealer took it in and like I said, they said I need to cough up $1826.25 for a new motor controller. I called Zero and they aren't willing to help on any of it. It's out of warranty and they won't cover it. I asked if they could at least meet me half way.  Nope. They aren't willing to budge one bit.  Welp, electric motorcycles were fun while they lasted, but I'm going back to internal combustion. I may part this one out unless someone has any other suggestions.

Thanks.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Dead BMS board?
« on: October 20, 2018, 05:27:43 PM »
Auriga hit the nail on the head.  Yesterday I swung by the dealer and they looked at it for an hour and a half while they were on the phone with Zero.  I was already on their radar after sending them the logs and stopped in first chance I got.  They confirmed it went into hibernation, but should have woken up once I keyed on.  I'm glad they addressed this with a new firmware update.

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