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Buy Sell Trade / Re: 2009 Zero X For Sale 2100$ CDN (Misssion BC Canada)
« on: August 20, 2019, 03:58:14 AM »
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Buy Sell Trade / 2009 Zero X For Sale 2100$ CDN (Misssion BC Canada)
« on: August 20, 2019, 03:56:49 AM »
2009 Zero X off road motorcycle
-Low hours (sat for five years due to bad battery pack)
-Battery rebuilt in 2017 with A123 ANR26650 LiFePO4 cells and matching BMS (16s12p for a 58.4v 1.6kW pack)
-58.4v charger included
-Extra battery box included with 1.4kW pack (half of a Zero FX modular pack)
-BC registered
-Some minor scratches in plastics and a bent passenger side peg (has been lightly dropped)
-Low hours (sat for five years due to bad battery pack)
-Battery rebuilt in 2017 with A123 ANR26650 LiFePO4 cells and matching BMS (16s12p for a 58.4v 1.6kW pack)
-58.4v charger included
-Extra battery box included with 1.4kW pack (half of a Zero FX modular pack)
-BC registered
-Some minor scratches in plastics and a bent passenger side peg (has been lightly dropped)
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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: 2010 Zero DS - BMS beep code 53
« on: June 12, 2019, 06:07:38 AM »
Hey Craigster,
I never did have any luck getting the Zero BMS to stop beeping. The 2010 DS owners manual (Copies are available if you need one) gives a few common beep codes and states
"If the BMS in your power pack produces an error beep
which is not described in the Beep Patterns
Table, then the power pack has encountered a
serious internal hardware problem and must be
repaired or replaced by a CSC."
My local CSC is great, but I think they would charge more than I paid for the bike to make a diagnosis.
After spending a few hours messing with the BMS and not getting anywhere I decided to bypass the factory unit and go for an aftermarket one with Bluetooth connectivity. I had never been comfortable relying on the "fuel" gauge, so I saw this as an opportunity to upgrade (Nissan leaf cells behave somewhat different than the original Molicels).
The BMS unit I purchased allows me to monitor pack temperature, as well as cell balance and voltage. The main downside of bypassing the factory BMS is the elimination of the low voltage cutoff function, so I don't necessarily recommend it.
If anyone finds a better aftermarket BMS solution (one that works with the Zero MBB), I would appreciate hearing about it.
Hope this helps!
I never did have any luck getting the Zero BMS to stop beeping. The 2010 DS owners manual (Copies are available if you need one) gives a few common beep codes and states
"If the BMS in your power pack produces an error beep
which is not described in the Beep Patterns
Table, then the power pack has encountered a
serious internal hardware problem and must be
repaired or replaced by a CSC."
My local CSC is great, but I think they would charge more than I paid for the bike to make a diagnosis.
After spending a few hours messing with the BMS and not getting anywhere I decided to bypass the factory unit and go for an aftermarket one with Bluetooth connectivity. I had never been comfortable relying on the "fuel" gauge, so I saw this as an opportunity to upgrade (Nissan leaf cells behave somewhat different than the original Molicels).
The BMS unit I purchased allows me to monitor pack temperature, as well as cell balance and voltage. The main downside of bypassing the factory BMS is the elimination of the low voltage cutoff function, so I don't necessarily recommend it.
If anyone finds a better aftermarket BMS solution (one that works with the Zero MBB), I would appreciate hearing about it.
Hope this helps!
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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: 2010 Zero DS - BMS beep code 53
« on: March 17, 2019, 01:44:55 PM »
Thanks for the reply and the links! It looks like you are working through many of the same issues on your two 2010 S's that I am having with my DS (including the motor temp sensor).
I am by no means an electrical expert, but I will try to explain things as I understand them.
As far as I have been able to determine, the BMS units used in the 48 volt Zeros simply close a circuit within the MBB when things are as they should be (no error codes). In the event that the BMS senses an issue, the circiut remains open (similar to when the kickstand is down), the MBB displays a generic BMS code, and the MBB will not trigger the contactor. I suspect there is no CAN communication between the MBB and the BMS. This lack of CAN communication may be the reason why the BMS uses its own beep trouble codes.
My 2009 X used the same BMS, as the DS does, and in that case the BMS strictly acted to complete the contactor circuit. Only it didn't do this successfully because it was so very fried and crispy.
To bypass the BMS, on the DS, I simply ran a jumper wire between the brown and black wires on the six pin BMS connector (I by no means endorse this) and the MBB was happy enough for me to go for a test ride.
Thanks for suggesting putty, I will look into trying it. If I remember right the saying goes perturb and observe.
I am by no means an electrical expert, but I will try to explain things as I understand them.
As far as I have been able to determine, the BMS units used in the 48 volt Zeros simply close a circuit within the MBB when things are as they should be (no error codes). In the event that the BMS senses an issue, the circiut remains open (similar to when the kickstand is down), the MBB displays a generic BMS code, and the MBB will not trigger the contactor. I suspect there is no CAN communication between the MBB and the BMS. This lack of CAN communication may be the reason why the BMS uses its own beep trouble codes.
My 2009 X used the same BMS, as the DS does, and in that case the BMS strictly acted to complete the contactor circuit. Only it didn't do this successfully because it was so very fried and crispy.
To bypass the BMS, on the DS, I simply ran a jumper wire between the brown and black wires on the six pin BMS connector (I by no means endorse this) and the MBB was happy enough for me to go for a test ride.
Thanks for suggesting putty, I will look into trying it. If I remember right the saying goes perturb and observe.
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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / 2010 Zero DS - BMS beep code 53
« on: March 16, 2019, 06:04:48 AM »
Hi All,
I am in the process of rebuilding my 2010 Zero DS battery using Nissan Leaf modules and would appreciate some help diagnosing BMS beep code 53. There doesn't seem to be a BMS code database for the early S/DS's, so I'm looking for any thoughts on what the code might mean.
I purchased the bike with the controller, battery, and harness in a big box and managed to get it going with the help of the wiring diagrams on this forum. Initially I used some FX cells and had to bypass the BMS so that I could test drive the bike without the BMS shutting it down.
Originally I wasn't to worried because I thought the code was related to a cell imbalance in my old cells, but my leaf modules are within .01v of each other and are at 4.08v and the BMS just keeps beeping. I have checked the BMS harness and replaced a resistor to no avail, so I decided it was time to determine what the code actually means.
I could bypass the BMS and install an aftermarket one with Bluetooth, so I can monitor cell balance, but ultimately I would prefer to keep the original one going if I can.
Thanks in advance!
I am in the process of rebuilding my 2010 Zero DS battery using Nissan Leaf modules and would appreciate some help diagnosing BMS beep code 53. There doesn't seem to be a BMS code database for the early S/DS's, so I'm looking for any thoughts on what the code might mean.
I purchased the bike with the controller, battery, and harness in a big box and managed to get it going with the help of the wiring diagrams on this forum. Initially I used some FX cells and had to bypass the BMS so that I could test drive the bike without the BMS shutting it down.
Originally I wasn't to worried because I thought the code was related to a cell imbalance in my old cells, but my leaf modules are within .01v of each other and are at 4.08v and the BMS just keeps beeping. I have checked the BMS harness and replaced a resistor to no avail, so I decided it was time to determine what the code actually means.
I could bypass the BMS and install an aftermarket one with Bluetooth, so I can monitor cell balance, but ultimately I would prefer to keep the original one going if I can.
Thanks in advance!
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Buy Sell Trade / 213 Molicel IMR26700 cells from 48v Zero S, DS, X for sale $50
« on: March 07, 2019, 11:09:18 PM »
For sale: 213 Molicel IMR 26700A cells in differing states of charge and condition (from my 2010 DS and my 2009 X projects). These cells fit the 48 volt Zero bikes up to and including 2010. I rebuilt my battery packs and was going to dispose of the molicels, but decided to run a capacity test on a few cells (using a IMAX B6 AC) and the 3 cells tested to between 1900 and 2250 mAh at 2 amps. I do not have a rig capable of testing multiple cells in a reasonable time frame, so I can't speak for the condition of all the cells. My goal is to include only cells with some capacity remaining... I recycled the 351 cells that seemed really weak. These cells are old and definitely have limited life remaining , but they might work well for someone who has a little time on their hands and wants to keep their Zero S, DS, or X going a little bit longer on the original battery pack.
50$ OBO and I will throw in a roll of 180mm shrink tube for wrapping the modules.
50$ OBO and I will throw in a roll of 180mm shrink tube for wrapping the modules.
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