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Energica / Re: 2016 Eva completely dead battery?
« on: December 07, 2021, 02:17:51 AM »
If you still have a blinking light most likely it is a connection issue or initiation issue. As far as mine it had no blinking lights or anything I'm sending ithe battery to energica for a test/ recovery or replacement.

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Energica / Re: 2016 Eva completely dead battery?
« on: December 01, 2021, 02:51:55 AM »
I definitely don't want to open the cell pack up, mainly because if I did that I highly doubt Energica would take it as a "core" for a refurbished pack. I was interested in seeing if anyone refurbished cells on the east coast which doesn't look like there is. Companies that swap Nissan leaf, Toyota Prius, or Tesla batteries yes but just not enough Energicas around yet for anyone to dig into it.
I'll take photos and videos when we remove the battery pack and ship it off.
I think a battery exchange might be something that would work in the future? One thing I did find out through research is that several have had to have batteries replaced due to neglect or not understanding battery maintenance.

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Energica / Re: 2016 Eva completely dead battery?
« on: November 29, 2021, 11:17:50 PM »
As a general rule you should know that, in the case of EVs, the battery is essentially 80% of the cost of the vehicle. That's what I'm trying to impart, here. When you say things like this it shows me that you're coming at this with the wrong mentality:

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I buy salvage bikes all the time with blown engines and fix them, shouldn't be a reason to avoid it. Even with a dead battery the repair isn't crazy expensive. $30k bikes shouldn't be throw away bikes if the battery was neglected.

Battery packs aren't something that can be 'fixed' if they have degraded past a certain point. There is a permanent chemical reaction that has taken place which means the only things the cells are good for at this point are complete breakdown and recycling to extract the heavy metals.

I would agree if there wasn't companies that repair ev batteries like Gruber. I will agree I'm learning the EV world, so I like to do a lot of research. There are more than one company that repairs EV cells. That's why refurbished battery packs are available. The only problem here is that not many have messed with Energica battery packs. These bikes are repairable, BTW this bike is not salvaged, it's a clean titled bike that suffered a low side and now has a dead battery.

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Energica / Re: 2016 Eva completely dead battery?
« on: November 29, 2021, 08:46:52 PM »
I won't be parting it out.
Sev had a lot of good info and it was a pleasure talking to him about Ebikes and some of the components on the bike. I was there picking up a Zero. He also answered some key questions about the state of charge. Basically he said it needs to be sent to Energica to be fixed. He said he wouldn't have his techs swap the battery because it was to time consuming. He also said that he wasn't even allowed to sell me a service manual.
I went home and purchased a service manual on line. Looking through it, removing the whole battery unit looks easy enough using the proper safety methods and much less entailed than removing a gas engine. Energica offered that I just send the crated battery which will be the option I choose. I have 3 other bikes in the shop now I need to finish first before I get into removing the battery. I am also having a new shop built as business is picking up.

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Energica / Re: 2016 Eva completely dead battery?
« on: November 29, 2021, 06:06:10 PM »
So what's your point MVetter? Do you think I'm the only one that will ever buy a bike with a dead battery? If I'm the first here who did, shouldn't it be a learning experience for others who may do the same? I buy salvage bikes all the time with blown engines and fix them, shouldn't be a reason to avoid it. Even with a dead battery the repair isn't crazy expensive. $30k bikes shouldn't be throw away bikes if the battery was neglected.
I went and talked to Sev in person as you recommended. I'm following advice here on the forum.
Forums are for helping and learning.
I will continue to fix this bike because that's what I do. I will film it all and post it on my YouTube channel to help others in the same situation. Whether they bought it dead or let it sit. Dead batteries are and will be an issue and going forward we need to know what our options are. I will provide that information and you can't stay on your high horse.

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Energica / Re: 2016 Eva completely dead battery?
« on: November 28, 2021, 08:57:16 PM »
I did try a charger at a charge station and it didn't see it. On the first page of this post someone recommended I try a AC charger because it bypasses the initiation process. So I ordered one and that's what I'm trying. If this doesn't work I'll pull the battery and ship it. As far as the warm welcome I'm getting from MVetter? I'm not what you're issue is, I'm simply trying to fix a bike and help others that may have this problem in the future. You may just bring bikes to the dealer, or enjoy telling people it's over their head, but I am a MC mechanic so I enjoy the challenge. I want to try everything first before I ship the battery. If you consider that a chip on my shoulder so be it.

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Energica / Re: 2016 Eva completely dead battery?
« on: November 28, 2021, 04:07:01 AM »
Fingers crossed, the home charger says "charging"...

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Energica / Re: 2016 Eva completely dead battery?
« on: November 20, 2021, 12:49:01 AM »
If your gonna buy a new battery I'd say crack it open!  take pix.. or sell the used / dead pack.   I bet the balance and protection circuit is inside there.
I have a service manual now, looks easy to pull the encased battery. As heavy as it is I'm not sure it would be cheaper to mail it or just ship the whole bike. I'm getting better quotes so most likely I'll ship the whole bike incase they run into any issues swapping it out.
It's much cheaper for them to swap it out then me.to buy one and swap it myself. Most likely a core charge reason.

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Energica / Re: 2016 Eva completely dead battery?
« on: November 14, 2021, 11:07:10 AM »
Haulbikes quote to ship, $1090 one way, ouch. I hope some Ushipper can beat that..by a bunch..

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Energica / Re: 2016 Eva completely dead battery?
« on: November 13, 2021, 11:37:13 PM »
You know Rich rebuilds is a great idea, kind of the pioneer of DIY repairs on Tesla's. I think he understands the battle. I sent them an email we'll see the response. He has 3 shops up and down the east coast now.

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Energica / Re: 2016 Eva completely dead battery?
« on: November 13, 2021, 09:30:12 PM »
I just got a quote for $950 one way NC-CA.
I have used Uship before for around $300 on the same coast. Gas is really affecting shipping prices. I am a large proponent for Ebikes and have to defend my view quite a bit. I still own ICE bikes actually several but my plan is to make this bike my primary. Due to the cost of shipping my cheapest option, if the battery can't be saved is $7500. Not sure I'm ready to swallow that just yet.
Gruber automotive repairs Tesla batteries and I've been talking to them about repairs. We need options for this industry to grow and be accepted. As much as I repair other people's bikes I don't think the situation this Energica was put in is unheard of. I'm not exactly sure how long it's been dead, I know it was crashed in April and had power then. And had power for sometime in the tow yard.  So I'm hoping the bike shut itself down when it got extremely low and can be saved.

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Energica / Re: 2016 Eva completely dead battery?
« on: November 13, 2021, 07:48:07 PM »
I'm interested to know a bit more about your situation.
I know there seems to be a lot riding on Sev's ability to understand what might be possible in regards to salvaging the battery.
But can Power Sports replace the battery there if needed?
Have they or who ever in CA is going to look at it, given you a replacement estimate?

Was the bike for you or an auction flip situation?
This bike is for me not a flip. I make videos to help others repair their bikes. I bought this one to answer some questions and because I really enjoy these EBikes. I rode a ZERO DS for a few years and a live wire just recently. Energica has given me an estimate on replacing the battery but shipping the bike across the country is costly. He gave me several options , I'm still working with him so I'll give a complete outcome when it's completed. The toughest thing right now is that there is no one on the east coast that can repair these batteries. I'm hoping Sev can at least tell me if it's salvageable. But from what I'm understanding from Energica, dealers don't have the tools to bring it safely back to life. The total amount of replacing the battery and shipping may be cost prohibitive.
So to summarize, if I can find out if it's salvageable I'll ship it, if it's not, I'm not sure I'll ship it for a replacement. I'll just hang on to it waiting to find a crashed one with a good battery, or a company that can make me one.

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Energica / Re: 2016 Eva completely dead battery?
« on: November 13, 2021, 09:22:27 AM »
I'm going to try Sev again tomorrow. Before I ship my bike to CA I'm trying to find out if the battery is salvageable. If it's not, I might be at the end of the road.

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Energica / Re: 2016 Eva completely dead battery?
« on: November 10, 2021, 10:21:41 AM »
Sev wasn't there, I spoke to another service rep who said "Sev is a service manager not a technician so he won't be looking at it."


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Energica / Re: 2016 Eva completely dead battery?
« on: November 10, 2021, 06:50:55 AM »
[quote author=Tepco link=topic=11475.msg108466#msg108466 date=16364663

There is a specialized tool to 'wake' the battery cells so a qualified technician can close the contactors and check the voltage. From there they can assess whether or not it is safe to try and charge the cells again. You'd have to know precisely which of the connections to the battery are the correct ones, and there's like 30 of them, and in which order to apply the right amount of current to them. To that end I will repeat: This is beyond you. Please call Sev.

I did call Sev.

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