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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Zero SR/F
« on: February 26, 2019, 02:04:18 AM »
I also like that it's weight is about 100 pounds less than the Energica models. For me, that would be a big plus.

Looks like the rear wheel is wider than the one on my '17 SR, as well. And faster L2 charging is great (about damn time).

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That's… weird. From their About page: https://druidmotorcyclecompanyinternational.weebly.com/about.html

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Electric Motorcycle News / Re: LIGHTNING STRIKES TWICE
« on: February 16, 2019, 02:54:27 AM »
I got the email about reservations for the Strike yesterday, and put down $500. Now I just need to sell my Ducatis and my SR...

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Electric Motorcycle News / Re: LIGHTNING STRIKES TWICE
« on: January 19, 2019, 07:51:13 AM »
Once you get used to an Eva it is tough to go back to a SR. Mine has basically turned into a garage queen since getting the Eva.

You and me both!

I haven’t ridden the Zero since my lowside on it last year. And it was weeks, maybe a month or two, that it had been ignored before that.

I bet I can make enough from selling both Monsters and the SR to pay for the Strike with an upgrade or two. If that’s true, I’ll be downsizing my collection to the EVA and the Strike.

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Electric Motorcycle News / Re: LIGHTNING STRIKES TWICE
« on: January 18, 2019, 06:19:20 AM »
Anybody want to buy a slightly-used 2017 Zero SR with Charge Tank from me in Denver? Only been down once, because like an idiot, I leaned just a little too hard into a turn (spoiled by the wider rear tire on my EVA, forgot the Zero can't lean like it can).

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Energica / Re: First Energica in Colorado, apparently
« on: December 08, 2018, 02:11:19 PM »
I found your comment about the grip particularly interesting.  Yet another example of why Zero really must implement traction control.

This literally bit me on the ass the other day.

I've been riding the EVA almost exclusively, when it's been warm enough to ride (not much the past two weeks). But I decided to ride the Zero the other day, and as I was pulling off my street making a left-hand turn, I leaned just a little too far—not sure if it was because of the cold pavement, cold tires, or just me leaning too far because of getting used to the EVA's handling, but I slid out of control and the SR went down with me on it at ~10mph.

Luckily, nothing broke except the little bumper on the left end of the handlebar. I didn't get any road rash or hurt anything in the slide, although I was sore for days afterwards from lifting the bike and getting back on and riding to work after inspecting the bike carefully. It's made me much more paranoid and distrustful towards the Zero, though. The EVA continues to handle like a dream when I actually get to ride it.

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A nice reply if you think you will ride your Zero in rotation. I have heard from several people who have ICE bikes and bought a Zero. The result? The Zero is such a blast to ride it ended up hogging 80% of their riding time with the poor ICE bikes being ridden for long trips.
Believe me, the thrill doesnt wear off and it is such a uniquely different experience, your other bikes will soon collect dust.
Yep, that's me who you just described. I own seven ICE bikes and two Zeros. My  ICE bikes are rarely used, but always for longer trips. The Zeros are used every day except for these rainy days like yesterday and today when I use a cage.

-Don-  Auburn, CA

Another one checking in. Have two Ducatis (planning to sell them, but you know, that requires effort).

I have a slightly different version of this problem, though; I bought the 2017 SR and a 2019 Energica EVA, and now my Zero is getting maybe 10% of the riding time and the EVA gets 90%. The Ducatis literally haven't been ridden in two months.

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Energica / Anybody notice the price drops?
« on: December 01, 2018, 01:06:45 AM »
I was just looking at the configurator and the price for the EVA has dropped from $26,400 to $21,656 in the US; the Ego is also down from $26,400 to $22,565. I don't remember off-hand what the price for the EsseEsse9 was, but I feel like the current price of $20,930 is lower too.

Stings a little, since I just bought my EVA a couple of months ago, but honestly, I'm really excited to see prices dropping. Hopefully this means more people can afford to get an Energica!

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My motorcycle insurance is through Safeco in Colorado, and they did not have any clue who Energica was or what an EVA 107 was. Even with comprehensive coverage and collision, it only added an additional $200-ish to my annual insurance bill, so not bad at all.

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Energica / Re: First Energica in Colorado, apparently
« on: November 02, 2018, 11:51:33 AM »
Congrats on the purchase Clee!.:-)

Thanks also for sharing your experience so far. I found your comment about the grip particularly interesting.  Yet another example of why Zero really must implement traction control.  I'm enjoying having traction control back with the CBR1000R I bought a couple of weeks ago.  I haven't ridden the bike anywhere near it's limits yet, but traction control will help me explore them. When I get competent enough I can turn it off, if I wish, but in the meantime it's a godsend!

So please do continue posting here. I was very, very tempted by an Eva myself but in the end it was the range, cost and weight that killed it for me. However, I would love to hear that you are enjoying the bike.  I'm hoping I've bought my last petrol bike. After owning a Zero for over two years, it felt like I was buying a steam engine! Still, it's bloody good fun so I'm not complaining. :-)

Heh. Well, it took the better part of a month, but that kafkaesque nightmare had only just begun, it turns out!

I took the EVA out for a ride as soon as it arrived, even though I didn't have plates yet, and then I had to go check out the local fast charger and get a feel for my new bike. I also swung by my local motorcycle mechanic's shop because I love those guys and I figured they'd get a kick out of seeing the first Energica in the state. But after getting home, I realized I should probably get the temporary plate and tags so that I could ride it without getting arrested.

And that's when the nightmare resumed in full. Apparently, because I was the first person in Colorado to buy an Energica, they didn't exist in the state DMV database. And temporary tags are generated from a form on the computer that has dropdowns for make and model, and they can't generate temporary tags without them. Long story short, it took almost a full month of waiting after initially trying to get my tags before the DMV called me to let me know that the database had finally been updated and they were ready. For the steep price of $7.00, I got my tags just in time for it to start snowing here. (Thankfully, there have been a few warm-enough days since, and I've put almost 200 miles on the bike in the past week or so.)

I totally empathize with being scared away by the range/cost/weight. They're all not nearly as great as they would be in a perfect world. I have to say though, the weight is really only an issue at slow speeds/stops for me; in motion, the EVA feels feather-light and more responsive than seems physically possible. I'm also really hoping that sometime in the near-ish future, someone will figure out a massive breakthrough in battery tech and I'll be able to upgrade to a (say) lithium-metal replacement pack that, say, triples or quadruples the range. Or I'll just save up for that LS-218...

I didn't realize it at the time, but I'm fairly confident that the Ducatis I bought a few years ago were the last ICE-powered vehicles I'll ever buy. Unless I eventually get my pilot's license and buy a plane, and some of those are even starting to go electric...

Clee,  Congratulations on getting the Eva and welcome to the Eva club! I have a little over 5K miles on mine and your initial observations are spot on. I also have an SR and agree with your comparisons. The Eva really does pull a lot harder than the SR. Heck it also pulls harder than my KTM 1290 SA. Over 4th of July I rode my Eva out to western NC and rode Tail of the Dragon and many other roads out there. While it is easy to understand how folks would be concerned about the weight of the Eva it really does a lot better in tight twisties than you would think it would.

Thanks! I find myself torn between wanting to let EVERYONE ride it because it's so incredible and being terrified that someone will instantly destroy my expensive, not-yet-paid-off-in-full, new favorite toy.

Have you played with the regen settings yet? I started out on medium and then tried the high setting. It was really easy to modulate the regen so it comes on really smooth and love the adjustability and you find yourself rarely using the brakes to slow down. The regen on the Eva is really what most people with Zero's are hoping for. The brake lights and ABS are tied into the regen and if you rapidly cut the throttle when you are doing 70 MPH or so you will quickly understand why this is important. Energica really got regen right.

I've definitely been playing with the regen settings, and I find that I'm flicking through those settings WAY more often than I thought I would while riding. At this point, I've already memorized that screen, so I can navigate it entirely by feel without having to look down at the LCD. Around town, I stick to Urban (or even Eco mode sometimes, like in parking lots) and max regen, but when I'm on the freeway, I tend to kick it into Sport mode and disable regen entirely. I'm actually getting 70-80 miles per charge, which is still disappointing, but slightly less so.

I also just started a new job at Panasonic, and the office is a good 30 miles away, which is juuuust far enough that I'd probably have some range anxiety leaving with a full charge in the morning... except there are at least 8 J1772 chargers in the work parking lot, apparently they're all powered by the solar panels on the roof, and best of all: they're 100% free. So the EVA is working out great as a commuter bike, when the weather is warm enough.

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Energica / Re: First Energica in Colorado, apparently
« on: September 27, 2018, 04:10:27 AM »
Congratulations, Clee.  I have been buying BMW motorcycles from CalMoto for over 30 years and have found them to be one of the better motorcycle shops in the SF Bay Area.  Attached are photos of the Energica area of their showroom. Arlie is currently their most knowledgeable and enthusiastic salesman.

Haha, Arlie Ray knows me pretty well by now since he helped with the Kafkaesque nightmare of paperwork between the bank and Energica. (Among other things, my credit union apparently has different rules about what exactly is required documentation for an auto loan than California banks, and required a Manufacturer Certificate of Origin from Energica before they would cut the check for the loan.)

I have to say I was really happy with Zach as my salesman. He was super responsive, checked in almost every single day even when there wasn't always anything new on either side to report yet, and was generally awesome to work with. I think next time I'd have to make sure I have all of my financing lined up better beforehand if I were ever to deal with buying from an out-of-state dealership again.

Which...  I'm ecstatic with the EVA and also still very happy with the SR I bought back in June, but after giving my bank account a few years to recover—assuming Lightning is still around—I could very easily see myself upgrading one of these to an LS-218 with the biggest battery they offer. I would LOVE to have more range than an ICE bike and also better performance in pretty much every way. And I have a feeling it would be another out-of-state sale.

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Energica / First Energica in Colorado, apparently
« on: September 26, 2018, 03:23:10 PM »
Hey, everybody!

I've mostly documented this on Reddit, but I flew out to California back in July and test-drove the EVA and Ego. I fell in love with the EVA pretty much immediately; the Ego's more aggressive riding position didn't work so well for me. So I put down a deposit at CalMoto and after a lot of long waits between my banks, the wonderful complexities of different state legal requirements for paperwork, and a surprisingly quick and affordable interstate delivery, I finally got my EVA on Monday morning. I didn't get a chance to do much riding on it Monday, though.

I took it to a DC fast-charging station Tuesday, and in the ~12 minutes or so I was there, four people stopped to ask me about the bike. Two of them were Nissan Leaf owners hogging the L3 chargers when I first arrived, but the great thing about L3 charging is that the spots don't need to stay occupied very long. I charged from 55% to 85% while I was there, because I wasn't really there for the charge but more to just familiarize myself with how the L3 chargers work.

So, about the bike. Here are some of my impressions so far:

  • It sounds like a screaming jet engine; actually, it kind of reminds me of the TIE fighter sound from Star Wars, which is a surprising departure from the Zero SR I bought back in June.
  • I find I already trust it more than the SR, because sometimes when I've taken turns on the SR at speed (the on-ramp to a freeway at 40-45mph, for example) I've suffered that heart-stopping moment where the rear wheel skips just a little bit and I feel like I'm about to lose control. I suspect the significantly-wider rear tire on the EVA is mostly to thank for this, because I've gone down to at least a 45 degree angle and felt nothing but contact the whole way through.
  • The EVA in both Sport and Urban mode accelerates even faster than the SR in Sport mode, and the SR already made my Ducati Monsters feel really sluggish by comparison.
  • It's shocking to know that it weighs over 600 pounds (621.7 according to the owner's manual), because when you're riding, it feels unbelievably nimble and responsive. I nearly dropped it today in my garage, though, because I thought I had fully extended the kickstand and I was mistaken. I absolutely felt the difference when the bike was trying to fight me to lay down and take a nap.
  • The range is honestly a little disappointing, just in an absolute sense, because the SR gets around 110-120 miles per charge the way I ride it and the EVA estimates that I'll get roughly 60-70 miles on a full charge (and so far, seems to be roughly accurate). I think a few years from now—2020, maybe 2021—once the electric motorcycle market has gotten a bit more filled out, battery improvements will get me an EVA or maybe even an actual Ducati electric with at least 100-mile range and the same kind of jaw-dropping performance.

Range and my own stupidity nearly dropping it aside, this bike is like something out of a dream. I can't wait to see what Ducati does with an electric powertrain, because they were my first love on two wheels and I'll always be fond of them. Like, I seriously couldn't wait, because the last article I read said they're targeting 2020 for the launch of their first electric and here I am with two already. I'm also getting super curious about the LS-218 now…

I definitely need to get a 240V J1772 charger installed in my garage. Anybody have recommendations for a specific charger that would work well with both the SR (it has the Charge Tank) and the EVA?

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Got my Corbin over the weekend also... just got to try it out for the ride into work.  Seat position is a bit further back, so I was leaning a bit more on the ride... not bad at all, just will take getting used to.  Comfortable seat though!

This looks almost exactly like the seat I just ordered tonight!

Been riding my 2017 SR for about a week now, and it's fantastic except the seat is noticeably, significantly less comfortable than the seats on my Monsters. I'll definitely wait until I've put at least 1000 miles in before I decide how I feel about the Corbin, but I'm excited!

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General Discussion / Just ordered my first electric motorcycle
« on: June 27, 2018, 01:57:34 AM »
Currently, there are two Ducati Monsters sitting in my garage (and before any of you start cracking jokes, they both run... at the moment). One is a red 2006 M620, the other a black 2009 M696. My first bike was a used M620, and I have loved Ducati since the first time I ever saw one. In fact, I'm pretty sure my desire for a Ducati is what made me finally get my motorcycle license.

I strayed, once, to a Triumph Street Triple R. It was a great bike with better torque, acceleration, and top speed than my Monster, but every time I got on it, I missed my old Monster. The sound of the engine just wasn't right, and the improvements to torque/acceleration/top speed/etc were nice but not life-changing.

After this experiment, I figured I would just stick with Ducati for the rest of my life... Until I test drove the 2018 Zero SR a few weeks ago. I preordered a Tesla Model 3, but they won't let me configure an AWD model yet; I figured if I'm buying an electric car, why not at least check out an electric bike?

Now, every time I hop on one of my Monsters, the gasoline smell is impossible to ignore (they aren't leaking, it's just the exhaust fumes). The acceleration on the Monster is better than Eco mode on the SR, but nowhere near as good as Sport mode. And the ridiculous heat from the engine is annoying, especially now that we're regularly hitting 90+ degrees here in Colorado (although I definitely welcome the heat on rides during December/January). I still love the sounds from the Termi exhausts, but I never noticed how jarring the vibration from the engine is.

A week or two after my test drive, I got an email about the $1500 off 2017 models promotion (and $500 off 2018s). I checked with local shops, and they had a red 2017 Zero SR with the Charge Tank upgrade. I sent over a $500 deposit yesterday, and my 2017 SR is getting delivered today in theory; fingers crossed. My roommate just signed up for the MSF class to get his motorcycle license because he wants to buy the red Monster from me. I know that the 2018 models have some improvements on range, but I'm expecting the 2017 will be just fine for me, especially with the Charge Tank.

I think that the red Monster might have been the last gas-powered vehicle I ever purchased.

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