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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: DSR - No Traction Control - Dangerous?
« on: June 15, 2019, 01:38:58 AM »
Quote from: Jarrett on June 04, 2019, 11:41:59 PM
What's your custom mode settings?

Speed, Torque, and Brake Regen at 100%, Max Regen @60%.

It would be interesting to find out if the average long-term rider continues to play with the modes based on road conditions or ends up sticking with one setting so that the bike's behavior is no longer a changing variable.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: DSR - No Traction Control - Dangerous?
« on: June 04, 2019, 11:21:21 PM »
Spent the past 2 winters commuting on my DSR through Seattle's dark, hilly, slick streets.  Never had a problem, but it's certainly not because I'm some kind of highly-skilled rider. 
Just take it easy, give yourself time to adjust from the ICE's characteristics, ride in a mindful way, and be judicious with the right hand. 

After playing with the modes for the first 1,000mi, the DSR has never left Custom mode for the last 5,000mi despite road conditions.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: 2019 LED Headlight Retrofit
« on: April 12, 2019, 05:55:57 AM »
Quote from: bones302 on April 10, 2019, 11:43:04 PM
@inhibernation, can you advise what headlight is on your DSR?

Cheapo LED off Amazon.   5 3/4" Bucket from DimeCity.  Welded up my own mounts, but it would be easier to use any of the fork tube side-mounts available out there. 

Well-reviewed lights are Eagle in the $125 range and JW Speaker in the $300 range.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: 2019 LED Headlight Retrofit
« on: January 16, 2019, 01:04:33 PM »
drivethruecp: 
Unfortunately, I can't find a single 4-squares-and-a-bar headlight to match the Zero link you showed.  That's strange, considering the side-profiles still show the LSL housing, but there's no searchable LED retrofits for those.  And Zero isn't likely making their own.  It's not clear what their concept is working with.

If you are time-conscious and don't want to wait a year or so for wrecked 2019's, you might have to fork out for a Koso (https://kosonorthamerica.com/shop/motorcycle-mx/thunderbolt-led-headlight/) or a cheap but questionable round LED.  I've been happy so far with the questionable 5 3/4 light.  Grab a fork mount, bucket, headlight and you're there!

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: 2019 LED Headlight Retrofit
« on: January 16, 2019, 11:25:37 AM »
And that's a fair perspective to have.  By comparison, I certainly wouldn't have asked them to prioritize the % benefit of LED-vs-H4 over the quality of brakes, wheels, gauges, suspension, etc presented on the showroom floor.
 
But that's also a decision the average consumer isn't privy to.

LEDs would be a 'visual match' to their advertised new technology, while the LSL Urban provided by Zero was first public on the 13-year-old Yamaha MT-03.  I remember shopping around for used take-offs as a popular upgrade on my old Suzuki SV650. 

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: 2019 LED Headlight Retrofit
« on: January 16, 2019, 08:23:02 AM »
I think it's great for plug-and-play ability.

But somewhat objectively it was strange that a next-generation electric bike would cling to incandescents all around despite affordable LED options.  And quite subjectively, I have always preferred round headlights despite how modern the bodywork is. 

Good on them for updating.  Everyone else always has the DIY option.  Hope it's durable enough to last.


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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: What does Zero battery degradation look like? **Resolved by Zero**
« on: January 11, 2019, 02:49:26 AM »
Aaaand she's back!



Big, big thanks to Zero for sending a new monolith and to Triumph of Seattle for their excellent service dept and brand support.  (They're not even the dealer I bought it from.)  I'd planned on this fix being one helluva slog, maybe even getting some pushback from OEM or dealer, but instead the process was as smooth as could be. 

It seems neither could pin down whether there was a physical battery corruption causing the degradation or the firmware and charging damaging it, but that lump is gone now. 

Newest firmware.  New 14.4 battery with a fresh warranty in this 2016 13.0 bike and I'm seeing a 100% SOC for the first time since 2017!

And thanks to the community here!  I hope no one in the future needs to find this thread helpful.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: What does Zero battery degradation look like?
« on: December 18, 2018, 03:35:46 AM »
Quote from: Electric Cowboy on December 18, 2018, 01:55:44 AM
Hey, if you want, shoot me an email at brandon@diginow.it

I can run a test on your bike to give you spome real info. I doubt that your battery is really degraded that much, but we have actual tests for this now and if needed can get it taken care of for you.

The only sad part is that we will either have to send you the parts for the test ~$120 shipping if on the east coast, then if anything needs fixing you would have to take it to the dealer. Or shippping the bike to us, i think around $300-500 shipping and then we can test and if needed fix anything here.

Like I said though, I doubt you have a 2016 which truely has an 83% battery so we could get it fixed up for you quickly if I am correct. If you did have a bad battery, it may take a couple months to fix, but we can do it.

I really appreciate that offer, Brandon.  I've been keeping an eye on your pursuits here while saving up for further bike investments.

I'm up in Seattle, but the new monolith has arrived at the dealer and I agreed to drop the bike off this Friday.  While I'm aware Zero's customer service is far from transparent, my initial instinct is to trust that they wouldn't send out, under warranty, what I assume is the most expensive component of the DSR unless they have a solid rationale.  Or, they're just grasping at straws.

Since they're offering it under warranty, I'm willing to give them a shot at fixing their bike; will make other transportation arrangements if the surgery takes longer than expected. 

However, I assume the risk here is that adding a good battery to a bad charger is dangerous in the same way that a bad alternator in my truck will destroy any new battery I keep throwing into it.  ??

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: What does Zero battery degradation look like?
« on: December 18, 2018, 03:02:03 AM »
Quote from: Curt on December 16, 2018, 12:58:23 PM
Interesting. Current knowledge says that it's a charger self-test failure. Either that is wrong, or the charger self-tests are inappropriately sensitive to minor battery health issues.

Quote from: Unofficial Manual
Entire Display Flashes
    If the dash display in its entirety is flashing after keying the bike on, this indicates an onboard charger self-test failure.
    Key the bike off and wait for a few seconds and retry, and it should clear.

To clarify, the dash only flashes crazily like that when it's plugged in and the charge is complete. Like it trips up at the end and freaks out.  As soon as I unplug the bike, it goes to normal-blank and behaves normal whenever keyed on. 

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: What does Zero battery degradation look like?
« on: December 14, 2018, 05:49:20 AM »
UPDATE:  In the last month, it's lost another 2% of battery capacity (83% on dash).  Not long after the dealer pulled the logs, he informed me that Zero would be sending a replacement battery.  When I asked for more details, he passed along that  "[the] Monolith shows signs of aging and 200mV imbalance" but that he'd have to try and get any further explanation from Zero in the next few days.  It's supposed to be shipping this week and will likely be going under the knife this month.

While not catastrophic in the least, I'm disappointed there's such a significant failure at 5,000 mi, glad that there's a solution in the works, and anxious about a very competent, but largely ICE, dealer dismantling this bike.  Here's to hoping that aside from righty-tighty/lefty-loosy on a hundred fasteners, a new monolith should be relatively plug-and-play! 

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: What does Zero battery degradation look like?
« on: November 14, 2018, 03:23:42 AM »
Thank you everyone for the input.

Dealer can't fit me in till the end of the month.  His prescription until then, since I pull the cord everytime it's charged per Zero rec's, is to leave it plugged in for a few days.  I don't imagine that helping the 15 month percentage decline, and it's going to keep the dash flashing like that for days (is there such thing as screen burn on these displays?).  Also reset the BMS. 

Anyway, still love the bike. 

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: What does Zero battery degradation look like?
« on: November 13, 2018, 12:20:46 PM »
  The lack of exclamation points so far is reassuring.  Sounds like I may not be able to trust the display SOC.

  Until I get the app setup, can I trust the emailed logs?
Looks like 115.9V @ 85%.
 

Despite reading through the entire official and unofficial manuals, I'm uncertain whether I can trust when the Zero app says the firmware is up to date on these 2016 models.   It gives no actual numbers to work with.  Does the bike actually talk farther than the app on my phone to know?

Thanks!

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / What does Zero battery degradation look like? **Resolved by Zero!**
« on: November 13, 2018, 09:42:02 AM »
I may be rebuilding a 40-year-old bike in the living room, but I'm still learning the intricacies of EM's.



I'd forgotten to ask the question at purchase (dealer seemed quite new to Zeros), but have been wondering what battery degradation over time would look like on my Zero.  Visible? (SOC on dash decreasing over time)   Or invisible? (SOC always 100%, but actual range decreasing)

It's a 2016 DSR demo purchased May 2017 with 600mi.  For the first few months, it would charge to 100%.

Since then, the SOC would decrease by slightly more than 1% per month.  By 3,000mi, it would charge to 92%.

At 5,000mi now, it'll charge to 85% and if I re-plug it in, it'll click on and off for 30min to get to 86%.   Starting about 500mi ago, when it's finished charging, the entire the dash will start flashing on and off with the ABS being consistent (below).

I've been completely satisfied with the performance of the bike on the road, but this charging behavior is unusual, right?.  The commute is only 12mi round trip, so I haven't really evaluated whether total true range has changed.  Checked the error codes:  25, 45, 48, 49, 45  go to 0000 once the kickstand's up; seems good.


This is today's result, re-plugged once and still connected to wall charger:


And how it looks when charged.  The time-to-charge timer seems to still expect a 100% goal, but with mine quitting at 85% now, it'll stop 30-90min earlier than that time and start flashing like this:


What does the community think?  Do I need to see a dealer even though it's driving great?

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: New Headlight, New Look!
« on: July 27, 2018, 12:00:09 PM »
Yeah, that's pretty much what I did.  Separated the wiring by bringing the right control and front ABS wiring down the right side and the same with the left.  Made room for the wiring crossover by relocating the surprising large blinker relay.   

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: New Headlight, New Look!
« on: July 27, 2018, 11:18:40 AM »
Looks great, Gil!

  I installed this fairly common LED by spending way too much time welding up traditional side brackets.  Loved the 5 3/4" round style but didn't appreciate the stressed wiring while trying to keep everything up front; thanks for showing how to relocate most of the wiring under the tank where it's far less exposed to the elements.  Had to add disconnects from the front ABS signals, but otherwise everything just barely fit even with the extra heated grip wiring. 

-Joshua

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