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 Following my consumption 15000km will be around 900$
Back to gaz having fun and no regrets….

Yes Aaron
I know you’re right, I got a lemon but this deserve zero to help folks like me and propose a deal for new packs or at least answer mails and try to support….
The day I sold the bike came for sale on a website a healthy 6.2kw longbrick for 1500$
If I had seen it before maybe I would have tried to fit this in my modular… maybe with the tech guidance of Ryan…..

I already know after 6 year riding e-bike that the vibration and noise of gas bike is going to be disturbing for my kind of use….
I leave on ré island in France a sandy flat 30km Long Island crowded with tourists in the summer….
Trafic jam, camping cars , thousands of bicycles , holiday people going to the beach with dogs and children’s…..!
Being able to « surf » in this mess in silence is a blessing….,
You don’t see the mom’s grabbing their child or calling back their dogs when you go to shore…..

When you cruise on the bicycle way in the wetlands, bicycle wave you and don’t shout on you….
Birds don’t take off rabbits don’t go back home….
And this is something I will not experience with a gas motor…
 
I think I will get  a ktm 390 adventure,for about 4000$ ride it for the summer season ,
It will help me healing from my bad ev experience….until I realize everything I wrote is right,,,,
And get another fx🤣🤣( longbrick)
But will have the battery logs sent to me and checked before buying…..

Go to hear from you guys…
I feel so lonely in this s….t
Both batteries sag under load….even used one by one…
Price in Europe for new 3.6kw power tank ( same than modular model) is 3300$
I would have to love much more the bike than I actually do to invest 6600$ in it!!!!!
Here in Europe the aftermarket value is low and bikes hard to sell out of waranty….
Example
fx 2019 1000km 6000$
Fx 2020 5600km 7000$
For sale more than 6 month

I saw on eBay USA 2 power tank 3.3kw for 2800$….
This could be a solution….shipping will be complicated….

In my 2 wheeler life I always bought bikes cheaper ,work on it rebuilt them
Enjoy it and sell it back to try to get a little benefit or at least get my money back….
I try to sell my zero on line for 1800$ and nobody wants it…
It the first time I get it so deep and it is painful !!!!!

I had really great fun riding in silence without disturbing anybody for 6 years…
I was thinking about buying another fx but the dead end of this battery problem will make me go back to gaz bike….
It’s 2 years I check my mails everyday hopping to have an offer from zero for new batteries…
But this don’t happen….

Don’t want to ride scared about cutt off/ range / speed / plug, anymore….
 

DAMNED I START TO HATE THIS BIKE!!!!
yesterday ride one way 10km at 70km/h
On the way back : bike shuts off at 74% battery riding 70km/h
Had to stop in the dark on the side of the road….
Shut key off and on again …
Battery level 33%!!!!
Ride back home 30km/h
Can not trust this bike anymore being scared about range…
Range is now so low…
I will give up and sell for parts
It is dangerous now…
And buy a ktm390 adventure
Yes it will drink gas…. But will not cost me 7000€ repair after riding 13000km
Such a shame zero just don’t do nothing to keep their products alive…

Thanks for your support MVetter I’m searching second hand batteries since 1 year already, nothing available in Europe…
I find only salvage auctions in USA….

You’re absolutely right jepe !
It’s chemistry not mechanical….
I bought 2 molicel 21700  p45b batteries for e-cigarette use,6 months ago
Needed 1 per day after 6 month need 2….
This is so representative of the world we leave in….

Everything goes fast… but don’t last…

Everyone goes crazy on the stark varg , surron storm bee…
Spare battery of the stark is 7000$ and 4500$ for surron….
In few years we will see many people realize too late they absolutely didn’t save money in gaz…

Companies should be obliged to have a battery management long term program to keep their customers happy…..
Discount on new packs and obligations to recycle old one….

I didn’t post this topic to criticize zero motorcycle because I love my bike and cruising in silence and don’t scare ,children’, families ,birds ,horses….
But I really hope EV future is not going to be millions of lithium packs low mileage in the dump after 10 years….

Here are the informations I got from an enginer about solutions

getting a 7.2kWh battery into your frame would be a bit of a challenge, there is a different power and signal harness and some additional bracket changes.  You can probably modify your harnesses, but it would be a fair amount of work.

With the latest MBB firmware, the 2014 motorcycle is compatible with all 2014 and newer battery modules, so maybe you could keep an eye out and find batteries from crashed motorcycles, and they will just pop in and work.

It is possible to build your own replacement batteries.  If you can manage to use the BMS's then you can still use the MBB and all the other Zero Systems will work, but if you can't use the BMS's then you'll have to remove the MBB's ability to disable the motor controller.  The charger can be put into "always charge" by connecting two wires in the harness, so it will charge whenever it is plugged into AC power.  The dash won't display anything useful about the batteries, but the speedometer and odometer might still work. To remove the MBB's ability to disable the controller you will need the Sevcon programmig tool, which is an IXXAT USB CAN device, and DVT, or the Zero Dealer GUI tool.

Rebuilding the batteries using the aluminum casing that you already have is impossible. The cell's are encapsulated in urethane as one solid brick, you can't disassemble the box without cutting and bending things beyond repair..  you can build your own box out of fiberglass or something, and re-use the electronics that are on the outside of your current batteries, it would be a bit of a challenge to get the BMS wired up with temperature sensors just like we use in the cell box so that the BMS has all the required inputs, but it is possible, I haven't heard of anyone trying to do this before wiith 2013 or newer batteries. Most of the people trying to rebuild old bikes with home-made batteries have 2010 or older bikes where were much simpler.  Now that zero 2013 bikes are more than 10 years old, I suspect there will be more people looking at trying to rebuild bikes using home-made components, maybe there will be more information available online from people doing it.


I am not sure what the value of a motorcycle with weak batteries is. I imagine it is worth at least $1000 to someone, the motor and controller alone might be worth that to the right person

Hi there,
Back in this forum ,
Still own my zero fx 2015  zf 5.7with 21000km on it, after having fixed my first issue with motor bearings few years ago,
I’m now at the point that my range is 50km and top speed 90km/h…
I had my batteries logs checked and they sag a lot under heavy load… diagnosis : battery worn out😫
I’ m looking for some informations to know if someone already tried rebuilding those packs on 15 fx plateform?
I’m in Europe ( France) and tried contacting many e-garages but didn’t find anybody able to rebuilt it yet…
Second hand modular batteries are not available….
I want to keep it alive but definatly won’t spend 7000€ on new 2x3.6kwh brand new power tanks…
I really enjoyed this bike since 2018 and rode it for commuting in the summer… and store it at 60% in winter….
Shame ,with low mileage my bike is about to become useless and dangerous …
Can shut off at 47% suddenly on the road…
I heard that zero company was working on a battery exchange program for early buyers but no news for the moment…

Any help or guidance or second hand link would be appreciated